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sleepyelmo
post Feb 3 2007, 01:36 AM


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Hi all,

Just wondering if car ionizers are worth getting? If so, do you actually feel 'fresher' when driving? How much would one cost roughly?

Thx all...

Edit: Brothers seem to have the air cleaner about RM38 where you stick into cigarette lighter slot. They also have one Ionizer about RM88.

Anyone has any of these? Just wanna know what you guys think.. Thx icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Feb 3 2007, 06:07 PM


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i just saw this thread....work almost like the Car Ionizer

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...t=0&p=10280218&

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using it
my cost rm100++...


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post Feb 3 2007, 08:02 PM


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Is it really effective to use Car Ionizer ?
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post Feb 3 2007, 08:23 PM


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depends on certain people preferance.....like at home....if you can live without ionizer...then same with car....

my theory of freshness in car = never let water drops onto car carpet and just try to put the car under the sun once a week with windows open for about 30 minutes to 1 hour.....removes odor and any smell....also just use a refreshner or those perfume like ambipur....you'll have a fresh feeling after that....
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post Feb 4 2007, 01:51 AM


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put daun pandan lah..

1.take 3-4 daun pandan
2.tear all the daun bit
3.knot it like 'bunjut'
4.put in ur car for 1-2weeks
5.replace from time to time
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Pur charcoal can ah?

Also, don't leave the smelly socks or eat in your car.
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Before you guys go any futher, please note that Ionizers are NOT air fresherners dispite all the advertisments made by cheap skate ionizers about their ability to make air fresh and nice.

Ionizers basic function is just to Ionize the air. Nothing more.
And if you're buying one, try looking out for the amount of air it can ionize (mg/s).
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These ionizers ionize air for what purpose? You mean charged air molecules which enter your lungs make you in cloud 9?

Oh ya, I tried Pandan. It stinks like hell shakehead.gif
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post Feb 4 2007, 05:24 AM


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QUOTE(sleepyelmo @ Feb 3 2007, 01:36 AM)
Hi all,

Just wondering if car ionizers are worth getting? If so, do you actually feel 'fresher' when driving? How much would one cost roughly?

Thx all...

Edit: Brothers seem to have the air cleaner about RM38 where you stick into cigarette lighter slot. They also have one Ionizer about RM88.

Anyone has any of these? Just wanna know what you guys think.. Thx  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Car ionizers does not work in Malaysia. I had bought a few. Car ionizer works by ionizing the dust in the air and get rid of dust. But, it does not work in Malaysia because we have very high humidity and the static electricity is discharged by humidity before it can ionized the dust.

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QUOTE(zombie @ Feb 4 2007, 01:54 AM)
Pur charcoal can ah?

Also, don't leave the smelly socks or eat in your car.
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nice idea le... but if we put charcoal, will the charcoal suck everything... will it affect our tinted films??? will it soak the tinted films and spoil it??? i found out tat charcoals are very strong...
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QUOTE(bukanmain @ Feb 4 2007, 01:51 AM)
put daun pandan lah..

1.take 3-4 daun pandan
2.tear all the daun bit
3.knot it like 'bunjut'
4.put in ur car for 1-2weeks
5.replace from time to time
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using it now as well rclxms.gif


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QUOTE(bukanmain @ Feb 4 2007, 01:51 AM)
put daun pandan lah..

1.take 3-4 daun pandan
2.tear all the daun bit
3.knot it like 'bunjut'
4.put in ur car for 1-2weeks
5.replace from time to time
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me too... sometimes my mom will put some pandan leaf into my car... tongue.gif
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post Feb 4 2007, 09:39 AM


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put one pizza i ur car.It smell better than pandan for sure
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post Feb 4 2007, 09:42 AM


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wow, now mum like to put pandan leaf into their children's car tongue.gif
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Ionizer producing Ozone that is harmful to your respiration system.
Medical grade air filtration system do not have ionizer.
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post Feb 4 2007, 09:55 AM


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actually i personnally used pandan leaf... free lagi. easier to maintain.. but i did try my gf car, she is using those ionizer.. it seems quite effective because there is one time we bought a durian and put in the car, while drivng on the way back the durian smells conquor the whole car.. then we turn on the ionizer but off course it still got the durian smells. later we park the car at home take the durian out, then we drive to car again.. the smells were gone.... personally i think is quite ok lor... but still prefer pandan leaf because sometimes the ionizer will produce some burning smell.... wink.gif
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post Feb 4 2007, 12:35 PM


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QUOTE(Ken @ Feb 3 2007, 06:07 PM)
i just saw this thread....work almost like the Car Ionizer

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...t=0&p=10280218&
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Thx for the link Ken. You bought from the TS yet? Do let us know the effectiveness biggrin.gif

QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Feb 4 2007, 05:24 AM)
Car ionizers does not work in Malaysia.  I had bought a few.  Car ionizer works by ionizing the dust in the air and get rid of dust.  But, it does not work in Malaysia because we have very high humidity and the static electricity is discharged by humidity before it can ionized the dust.

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Hmm... you may be right on this. Anyone else can verify? hmm.gif


Added on February 4, 2007, 12:41 pmI've got a friend also suggested before to use coffee bean...

Waa, I said you gonna make coffee with the beans after sucking everything? tongue.gif

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Damn! doh.gif

Ionized air is air molecules which are negatively charged (Read up some electro static or electrolysis articles).

It's just a simple way to let the air molecules a better stick to your lounges easier so you can absorb oxygen more effectively.

If you're living just next to the beach, you'll be berating in tones of ionized air anyway, that's why people usually feel refreshed and energetic by a clean beach.

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I'm using pandan leaves as well. Leave a couple below the front seats, a couple below the rear seats, and a couple in the boot. No they don't stink smile.gif
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QUOTE(kb2005 @ Feb 3 2007, 08:02 PM)
Is it really effective to use Car Ionizer ?
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Ionizer dont kills bacteria. Ionizer uses car battery. Ionizer makes funny noise when its old. Ionizer have this smell if u put it "high" for a long time making driver dizzy. Ionizer cost higher & shorten lifespan.

QUOTE(tester1979 @ Feb 3 2007, 08:23 PM)
my theory of freshness in car = never let water drops onto car carpet and just try to put the car under the sun once a week with windows open for about 30 minutes to 1 hour.....removes odor and any smell....also just use a refreshner or those perfume like ambipur....
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not many people have locked car park where u can open ur windows and door for an hour to dry. And its time consuming to do that. And alot of people are allergic to ambipur .... especially ambipur under the sun after a long time which turn into pure toxic alcohol and inhales into your lungs but your mind are telling you its smells good.


QUOTE(bukanmain @ Feb 4 2007, 01:51 AM)
put daun pandan lah..

1.take 3-4 daun pandan
2.tear all the daun bit
3.knot it like 'bunjut'
4.put in ur car for 1-2weeks
5.replace from time to time
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daun pandah i tried, but the smell is unbearable when u have cigarrate or other smell inside the car..... but alot of auntie like to do that with their car, coz they cant find a better way to remove the bad smell.

The nanoblok i am selling will kills bacteria (imagine how many billions bacteria is on ur steering wheel ? like the staircase handle at supermarket ) and lifespand of 2 years for only RM30. Definately to remove wet smell, cigarrate smell, ambipur smell, durian smell, ionizer smell, sweat smell, shoes smell, plastic toxic smell , vomit smell..... within hours under the sun (closed ,locked doors also works).
No need to change from time to time. Just leave it there, no electricity, no funny rattling noise, cheap and effective solution. Its not a product, its a solution to your problem.
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post Feb 4 2007, 09:45 PM


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Folks,

Back to your high school physic/chemistry. Smells are caused by particle in the air. You either cover the smell with bigger smell aka pandan leaves or you get rid of the particle by air filter or charcoal.

Charcoal get rid of smells because carbon in charcoal chemically react to those air particles and turn them into solid and no longer stay in the air.

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Ionizer dont kills bacteria. Ionizer uses car battery. Ionizer makes funny noise when its old. Ionizer have this smell if u put it "high" for a long time making driver dizzy. Ionizer cost higher & shorten lifespan.
not many people have locked car park where u can open ur windows and door for an hour to dry. And its time consuming to do that. And alot of people are allergic to ambipur .... especially ambipur under the sun after a long time which turn into pure toxic alcohol and inhales into your lungs but your mind are telling you its smells good.
daun pandah i tried, but the smell is unbearable when u have cigarrate or other smell inside the car.....  but alot of auntie like to do that with their car, coz they cant find a better way to remove the bad smell. 

The nanoblok i am selling will kills bacteria (imagine how many billions bacteria is on ur steering wheel ? like the staircase handle at supermarket ) and lifespand of 2 years for only RM30. Definately to remove wet smell, cigarrate smell, ambipur smell, durian smell, ionizer smell, sweat smell, shoes smell, plastic toxic smell , vomit smell..... within hours under the sun (closed ,locked doors also works).
No need to change from time to time. Just leave it there, no electricity, no funny rattling noise, cheap and effective solution. Its not a product, its a solution to your problem.
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Go to grocery store and by a kg of charcoal for less than RM4. It will last you a few more years and you can use around the house.

It is NOT HEALTHY to kill too much bacteria. Your body may be too weak by staying in a too clean environment.

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Does ionizier suck up a lot of energy?
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daun pandan is to make the lipas die/run away..and it suck up all the bad air.. it stinks means u have to change to new daun..ngeh2
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QUOTE(bukanmain @ Feb 4 2007, 01:51 AM)
put daun pandan lah..

1.take 3-4 daun pandan
2.tear all the daun bit
3.knot it like 'bunjut'
4.put in ur car for 1-2weeks
5.replace from time to time
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This way used by my mum, auntie......

it is useful thumbup.gif
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so the best solution still daun pandan ka? wuah hahahaha..... wink.gif
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QUOTE(Dennos @ Feb 4 2007, 09:39 AM)
put one pizza i ur car.It smell better than pandan for sure
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put kfc,smell better,it's finger licking good tongue.gif
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QUOTE(edwinlim @ Feb 5 2007, 01:05 PM)
put kfc,smell better,it's finger licking good tongue.gif
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KFC sounds nice although your takeaway bill will increase quite abit... doh.gif

Anyway back to topic, I read articles that those cheap cigarette lighter plug-in cleaners might do some discolouring so don't even bother with it.

IceCube, your nanoblock looks promising. I might give it a try but am on holiday atm. Will pm you once I'm back. Thx...
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The Car Ionizer seen like not helping so much, "tak rasa" the fresh air in my car !
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Wa after reading so many replies you guys didt do any research before commenting one ar? all play tembak only. Basically in a nut shell an ionizer generates negatively charge ions that bonds to dust and make them drop to the ground. I use it in my car because i have sensitive nose cannot tahan dust and i notice after using, the car's surface , especially the ionizer area has lots of dust accumulated on it.

chilli sos for further reading : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_ioniser

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QUOTE(IceCube @ Feb 4 2007, 02:01 PM)

The nanoblok i am selling will kills bacteria (imagine how many billions bacteria is on ur steering wheel ? like the staircase handle at supermarket ) and lifespand of 2 years for only RM30. Definately to remove wet smell, cigarrate smell, ambipur smell, durian smell, ionizer smell, sweat smell, shoes smell, plastic toxic smell , vomit smell..... within hours under the sun (closed ,locked doors also works).
No need to change from time to time. Just leave it there, no electricity, no funny rattling noise, cheap and effective solution. Its not a product, its a solution to your problem.
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i'm using nanoblok in my car as well.. just a question.. as previous post by some other forumer here asked... will this Charcoal(nanoblok) spoil our tinted film ? unsure.gif

oh ya... what about air purifier ? what is the advantages of using it? coz my car comes with this air purifier machine thingy ... hmm.gif

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Pandan Leaf, old school lol tongue.gif
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not sure y; i tried couple type b4;

everytime on it ah.. same i can smell some sort of smell given out by the ionizer.. mebbe sensitive nose?? dont like the smell given out by it
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Pandan Leaf, old school lol tongue.gif
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try it and it work.... Daun Pandan FTW... tongue.gif

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Kenari came with ionizer. Sometime i sit at my fren car and on the thing.. Hehe..
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Kenari came with ionizer. Sometime i sit at my fren car and on the thing.. Hehe..
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Ya it does come with ionizer, but I've to admit I don't notice the difference.
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not worth to get at all.. dun waste money on that..
juz keep ur car clean at all times, and vacumm all the time, it will be more than enough!


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this 1 is a good idea also, pratical and yet cheap ... nice 1 thumbup.gif

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Negative Ions: Proven to Heal

In Philadelphia's Northeastern Hospital, severe burn patients receive some unconventional yet effective treatment thanks to Dr. Kornblueh, who, in 1959, put to the test his belief in the benefits of negative ions. After studying the brainwaves of burn victims suffering severe pain, Dr. Kornblueh found that exposing these patients to a high quantity of negative ions essentially eliminated their pain. In fact, in eighty-five percent of cases, negative ions were so effective that pain-relieving narcotics, such as morphine, were completely unnecessary.

For example, in one instance, a factory worker was rushed to the hospital after suffering second-degree burns to his legs and back. Within minutes of being exposed to negative ions, the pain was gone. The hospital was so convinced of the benefits of negative ions through Dr. Kornblueh's studies that it had negative ion generators installed in all post-operative wards. Throughout the years, the hospital has further found that negative ions do more than deaden pain: they also reduce the risk of infection and promote faster, more complete natural healing of wounds while lifting the spirits of the burn victims.

One of the reasons negative ions are so effective in healing burns is due to the ions' natural ability to remove pollutants from the air. As contaminants such as allergens, bacteria, and viruses are eliminated, wounds are kept cleaner, resulting in decreased irritation of wounds and reduced possibility of infection. Thus, wounds are able to dry out faster and therefore heal more quickly and thoroughly, resulting in less scarring and ultimately reducing the need for skin-grafting.

While negative ions do not actually kill airborne micro-organisms, they do effectively eliminate these hazardous particulates from the air, in the same way that negative ionization works in the earth's natural atmosphere. Upon being released from a negative ion generator, as in the case with a room ionizer, the ions attract to positively charged particulates, including dust, mold, and germs. As these particulates and ions form clusters, theybecome heavy and fall out of the air to surfaces where they can be disinfected rather than causing infection mean that you’ll have to wipe clean all the surfaces where the particles settle.

However, it is not only the fact that negative ions effectively remove air pollutants that makes them so valuable in treating burn patients. These powerful ions also promote healing of the body's systems and cells. As negative ions are released from the room ionizer, they circulate in the air, and as they are inhaled, the result is: increased oxygen levels in the blood, relaxed nerves, revitalized cell metabolism, and strengthened the immune system. Together, these effects revitalize the body; thus, supporting and advancing the healing of wounds.

On top of the physical benefits of negative ions, these charged particles promote healing by lifting the spirits of patients. Negative ions, which abound around waterfalls, at the beach, and in the mountains, are actually known to reduce depression and irritability, increase alertness, and improve sleep. Therefore, those patients given the advantage of recovering in a room with a negative ion generator demonstrate a much greater optimism than those who are not exposed to room ionizers.

Over the years, Dr. Kornblueh and his associates have proven that the benefits of negative ions are extensive. With their ability to eliminate air pollutants, promote physical healing, and lift spirits, negative ions offer severe burn patients at Northeastern Hospital - an advantage of which everyone should perhaps be aware. With numerous healing effects, negative ion generators, such as room ionizers, can work wonders in the restorative process of burn victims as well as in anyone exposed to these powerful healers.

go google and find out more on negative ions benefits. there is lots and tons of proven effect of negative ions from medical write up till to layman terms. i have read up a U.S. Dept. of Agriculture report sometimes ago and they also found ionizing a room / interior will led to 52% less dust in the air, and 95% less bacteria in the air (since many of the pollutants found in the air reside on floating dust particles).

if ion negative from those ionizer is not working, those air con manufacturer wont include it as part of their air con system. im using a sharp plasmacluster in my room and it have clear up my blocking nose each time i wake up in the morning compare to those non ionizer function air con. expensive model of toyota like camry also incorporate plasmacluster from sharp for their air condition. for further info, u may log into sharp website for their info on plasmacluster which is more advance as they incorporate ion positive but in controlled manner for balance.

some ppls may say their car ionizer didnt give any obvious result is due to the wrong car ionizer the bought which serve no functions as said. for Kenari / Kelisa ionizer, basically is a good one. lets say ur ionizer is working unit (still functioning and free from accumulated dust, as most ppl tend to neglect to clean up accumulated dust at the air inlet), do ur car have bad odor from your air conditioning (but subjective to ur cooling coils is not clogged from accumulated dust which will give some weird smell too)? do u find that dust is easily acumulated on ur dashboard? i have one kenari and a myvi for comparison, i found the different IMHO

additional like pandan leave / charcoal is also a good option for addtional odor removal practice too. laugh.gif

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I'm using water based ioniser for cars..the spinning type...

they said -ve ions are abundant near the waterfall areas..

put in few drops of perfume, work cheaper than ambipur or glade..
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so charcoal vs daun pandan, which better?

both also cheap option for me
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QUOTE(eyez98 @ Sep 8 2008, 11:32 PM)
so charcoal vs daun pandan, which better?

both also cheap option for me
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get both of them since it is cheap option and if source is easily available.

either of them will be good but for charcoal, i believe mangroove tree type charcoal is much better absorbing smells. i believe is hard for u to differenciate it / know it unless u have some trusted source to find it. just my advice and this one have no scientific proven but based on my own judgement of testing.

so, if u dun know what charcoal u r using, best to use it both lor biggrin.gif


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I'm using water based ioniser for cars..the spinning type...

they said -ve ions are abundant near the waterfall areas..

put in few drops of perfume, work cheaper than ambipur or glade..
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bro, no offense, but u shld go google on how negative ions is generated.

or in summary,
In nature, negative ions are generated by processes such as sunlight, lightening, waves from the ocean, and from waterfalls. "Concrete Jungles" minimize the natural production of negative ions by disrupting the delicate electrical balance between the atmosphere and the earth. Most ionizers recreate them with electrode pins ("needlepoints") to electrically produce negative ions. This method produces a density that is many times higher than the negative ion level found at Niagara Falls, the highest natural producer of negative ions and one of the healthiest environments in the world.

what u r using now is what im using for my room for sometimes but is a free gift when i bought ogawa item. rclxms.gif which serve no ionizing function at all but clean up the air, maybe yes.




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problem with charcoal would be it is dirtier.. might leave black stains.
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Just wrap the charcoal in plastic and poke holes or better still get an empty tissue box at the side poke holes and place the charcoal inside.
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QUOTE(dominic @ Sep 8 2008, 11:04 PM)
Negative Ions: Proven to Heal

In Philadelphia's Northeastern Hospital, severe burn patients receive some unconventional yet effective treatment thanks to Dr. Kornblueh, who, in 1959, put to the test his belief in the benefits of negative ions. After studying the brainwaves of burn victims suffering severe pain, Dr. Kornblueh found that exposing these patients to a high quantity of negative ions essentially eliminated their pain. In fact, in eighty-five percent of cases, negative ions were so effective that pain-relieving narcotics, such as morphine, were completely unnecessary.

For example, in one instance, a factory worker was rushed to the hospital after suffering second-degree burns to his legs and back. Within minutes of being exposed to negative ions, the pain was gone. The hospital was so convinced of the benefits of negative ions through Dr. Kornblueh's studies that it had negative ion generators installed in all post-operative wards. Throughout the years, the hospital has further found that negative ions do more than deaden pain: they also reduce the risk of infection and promote faster, more complete natural healing of wounds while lifting the spirits of the burn victims.

One of the reasons negative ions are so effective in healing burns is due to the ions' natural ability to remove pollutants from the air. As contaminants such as allergens, bacteria, and viruses are eliminated, wounds are kept cleaner, resulting in decreased irritation of wounds and reduced possibility of infection. Thus, wounds are able to dry out faster and therefore heal more quickly and thoroughly, resulting in less scarring and ultimately reducing the need for skin-grafting.

While negative ions do not actually kill airborne micro-organisms, they do effectively eliminate these hazardous particulates from the air, in the same way that negative ionization works in the earth's natural atmosphere. Upon being released from a negative ion generator, as in the case with a room ionizer, the ions attract to positively charged particulates, including dust, mold, and germs. As these particulates and ions form clusters, theybecome heavy and fall out of the air to surfaces where they can be disinfected rather than causing infection mean that you’ll have to wipe clean all the surfaces where the particles settle.

However, it is not only the fact that negative ions effectively remove air pollutants that makes them so valuable in treating burn patients. These powerful ions also promote healing of the body's systems and cells. As negative ions are released from the room ionizer, they circulate in the air, and as they are inhaled, the result is: increased oxygen levels in the blood, relaxed nerves, revitalized cell metabolism, and strengthened the immune system. Together, these effects revitalize the body; thus, supporting and advancing the healing of wounds.

On top of the physical benefits of negative ions, these charged particles promote healing by lifting the spirits of patients. Negative ions, which abound around waterfalls, at the beach, and in the mountains, are actually known to reduce depression and irritability, increase alertness, and improve sleep. Therefore, those patients given the advantage of recovering in a room with a negative ion generator demonstrate a much greater optimism than those who are not exposed to room ionizers.

Over the years, Dr. Kornblueh and his associates have proven that the benefits of negative ions are extensive. With their ability to eliminate air pollutants, promote physical healing, and lift spirits, negative ions offer severe burn patients at Northeastern Hospital - an advantage of which everyone should perhaps be aware. With numerous healing effects, negative ion generators, such as room ionizers, can work wonders in the restorative process of burn victims as well as in anyone exposed to these powerful healers.

go google and find out more on negative ions benefits. there is lots and tons of proven effect of negative ions from medical write up till to layman terms.  i have read up a U.S. Dept. of Agriculture report sometimes ago and they also found ionizing a room / interior will led to 52% less dust in the air, and 95% less bacteria in the air (since many of the pollutants found in the air reside on floating dust particles).

if ion negative from those ionizer is not working, those air con manufacturer wont include it as part of their air con system. im using a sharp plasmacluster in my room and it have clear up my blocking nose each time i wake up in the morning compare to those non ionizer function air con. expensive model of toyota like camry also incorporate plasmacluster from sharp for their air condition. for further info, u may log into sharp website for their info on plasmacluster which is more advance as they incorporate ion positive but in controlled manner for balance.

some ppls may say their car ionizer didnt give any obvious result is due to the wrong car ionizer the bought which serve no functions as said. for Kenari / Kelisa ionizer, basically is a good one. lets say ur ionizer is working unit (still functioning and free from accumulated dust, as most ppl tend to neglect to clean up accumulated dust at the air inlet), do ur car have bad odor from your air conditioning (but subjective to ur cooling coils is not clogged from accumulated dust which will give some weird smell too)? do u find that dust is easily acumulated on ur dashboard? i have one kenari and a myvi for comparison, i found the different IMHO

additional like pandan leave / charcoal is also a good option for addtional odor removal practice too. laugh.gif

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Simply citing an article accounting for the events that may or may not have occurred in a random hospital in a small eastern town in the U.S. isn't really validating anything in this argument.

To say that ionized air relieves pain to the point that morphine was no longer required?! I call B.S. on that one.
Morphine directly reacts with chemical receptors in the brain (adjusts neurotransmitter levels), while an ionized molecule of oxygen isn't going to do anything but react with a polar opposite. It's ridiculous.

You know that 'smell' after a recent rainstorm - thats the smell of Ozone, an ionized oxygen derivative not unlike what's being produced by these so called 'ionizers.' In small quantities its refreshing, but keep in mind ozone is toxic to humans in large quantities and there are specific guidelines on safe levels of ozone exposure. For the same reason they work excellent as germicides and bacteriorcides in sewage treatment systems.

Hospitals usually really on high efficiency particular air filtration system (HEPA) that have such tightly woven filters than even viruses can get trapped in them. They will combine it with a form of ultraviolet radiation to reduce pathogens/viruses in the air.

Ionizers have no such filtering mechanism, and the mere production of ionized particles is virtually useless in filtering out a car. Mechanical filtration is still the only proven method.

SO the point? Don't waste your money on the marketing - even big companies (Sharper Image, which recently filed for bankruptcy) that capitalized on the hype were eventually discredited with proper research.


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Just wrap the charcoal in plastic and poke holes or better still get an empty tissue box at the side poke holes and place the charcoal inside.
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You'll need proper airflow to get the air moving through the charcoal so it can do it's job.


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i know pandan works for sure as it wards off cockroaches. tested and proven!
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Simply citing an article accounting for the events that may or may not have occurred in a random hospital in a small eastern town in the U.S. isn't really validating anything in this argument.

To say that ionized air relieves pain to the point that morphine was no longer required?!  I call B.S. on that one.
Morphine directly reacts with chemical receptors in the brain (adjusts neurotransmitter levels), while an ionized molecule of oxygen isn't going to do anything but react with a polar opposite.  It's ridiculous.

You know that 'smell' after a recent rainstorm - thats the smell of Ozone, an ionized oxygen derivative not unlike what's being produced by these so called 'ionizers.'  In small quantities its refreshing, but keep in mind ozone is toxic to humans in large quantities and there are specific guidelines on safe levels of ozone exposure.  For the same reason they work excellent as germicides and bacteriorcides in sewage treatment systems.

Hospitals usually really on high efficiency particular air filtration system (HEPA) that have such tightly woven filters than even viruses can get trapped in them.  They will combine it with a form of ultraviolet radiation to reduce pathogens/viruses in the air. 

Ionizers have no such filtering mechanism, and the mere production of ionized particles is virtually useless in filtering out a car.  Mechanical filtration is still the only proven method. 

SO the point?  Don't waste your money on the marketing - even big companies (Sharper Image, which recently filed for bankruptcy) that capitalized on the hype were eventually discredited with proper research.


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You'll need proper airflow to get the air moving through the charcoal so it can do it's job.
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it is just a matter whether u believe it or not. all those article citing is found from medical write up and im not here to make story write up here. it just like chinese medicine which takes yrs to get into private practice and recognised by those western medical study. bout how morphine work out, i do not know as im not involve in this kind of drug medicine. im just highlight the benefits of ion negative in my previous post.

ozone exposure is harmful to human in a way if the level is above as The Food and Drug Administration does have a limit set of 0.05 parts per million, but it is designated for medical devices and certain requirements where clean room is required. thus, the level u get in nature is much at lower level which is safe. never i heard ppl get toxification by inhale large quantity of air in those waterfall / after thunderstorm if ozone is available and i only know, in contrast, negative ions, are found in natural abundance around waterfalls, near beaches, and after thunderstorm.

Hospital for sure will have those high end Hepa filteration system to filter out those unwanted contaminations not mentioning as what u said, ultraviolet radiation, ozone and more to say to add also to kill and eliminate further contaminations in order to avoid air borne diseases.

back to ionizer, if u read my my statement again, u will find that i said "While negative ions do not actually kill airborne micro-organisms, they do effectively eliminate these hazardous particulates from the air, in the same way that negative ionization works in the earth's natural atmosphere. Upon being released from a negative ion generator, as in the case with a room ionizer, the ions attract to positively charged particulates, including dust, mold, and germs. As these particulates and ions form clusters, theybecome heavy and fall out of the air to surfaces where they can be disinfected rather than causing infection mean that you’ll have to wipe clean all the surfaces where the particles settle" (and if u need air purifier, then u shld look for air purifier not ionizer as my statement is purely on ion negative matter).

HEPA air cleaner is designed to remove particular allergen and contaminations and if your primary objective is to remove the allergens and contaminations you should select air purifiers not inoizer again.

sharp plasmacluster is one of the example im taken in coz im using it (and im not aware about it too, doh.gif that sharp image was filed bankrupt) not mentioning other air conditioner out there, pana, mitsu, york, and many more to add plus those air purifier out there if it is the truth as u said, marketing hype, then im so pity with this giants out there and toyota car maker. (damn, dunno what the Jap is thinking about if what is written here is truth and just a marketing hype)

so the point? if u stick back to the thread topic about car ionizer / cleaner, if u wan clean air, air purifier in ur car is ur choice then.

between, i believe is just a matter of buyer to decide to purchase sth from their hard earn $$. buyer have plenty of choices to choose from which is good or bad for them. btw, i never seen a product that can meet 100% ppl acceptance level. biggrin.gif

im sharing here and not making any story telling here nor selling. we shall be more responsible making our statements and shall not based on by personal own judgement or point of views unless (except professional in practice / retired). im stand to be corrected.

no offense bro..

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guys if i keep the ionizer in the car in hot sun any problem? or should not leave it in the car socket?


Added on September 27, 2009, 12:52 pmmy ionizer like got sound..buzzing sound, is this normal? the package said noiseless metal housing..should i request or exchange?

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Try medklin ionizer for car.
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Try medklin ionizer for car.
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but i bought liao...i dunno if all the model also same got this sound..i think its the fan sound...damn..bought it from jusco


Added on September 27, 2009, 3:59 pmi went to jusco to exchange for other stuff...its really noisy the damn thing

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I use Medklinn and Okamizu. Both are great. I think Medklinn is better. It removes odour faster.
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why susah payah to look 4 pandan leaf? i m using super drive in my car. it can eliminate the odour n smell in the car. quite good. only need to wash it after few months. no need change filter. can look to super8 website.


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I use Medklinn and Okamizu. Both are great. I think Medklinn is better. It removes odour faster.
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Charcoal rocks!

Lst time my lil bro vomited on my seat,it smelt like shit.

So i used charcoal for 2 weeks,and the smell vanished!
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QUOTE(nokia2003 @ Sep 9 2008, 03:51 PM)
i know pandan works for sure as it wards off cockroaches. tested and proven!
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all the cars in my house using pandan instead, since my house got plant some pandan also.
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Try Nature Fine's J0-626 car air purifier...only rm65!

J0-626 Car Air Purifier is The Most Powerful Car Ionizer in the market (>3,000,000ions/cm3). It is extremely light-weight, very low power consumption and available in 4 striking colors of Blue, Black, Red and Silver.

Watch the smoke dispelling video. It really works!

More details, visit http://carairpurifier.blogspot.com/
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so just buy the charcoal that we burnt at bbq nite??? or got some special charcoal?
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how much is the medklinn?
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i use napolex ionizer...bought from lelong
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bought this becuz of few reason
1. made in japan...import from japan
2. it has on and off button ...unlike those local made ones
3. quality
the result it great...tapao something put in car...open it...the smell disappear within 1 min
recently my bro also wanna get one...seem like need to wait a long time to get it...many ppl also leaving msg on his page

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i use napolex ionizer...bought from lelong
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bought this becuz of few reason
1. made in japan...import from japan
2. it has on and off button ...unlike those local made ones
3. quality
the result it great...tapao something put in car...open it...the smell disappear within 1 min
recently my bro also wanna get one...seem like need to wait a long time to get it...many ppl also leaving msg on his page
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how much you buy???got warranty???
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http://www.lelong.com.my/napolex-car-ioniz...2-02-Sale-P.htm
says there...RM72.00
i can't really remember how much i bought last time...around that price also i think
u should ask the seller abt the warranty but no available units until now...many also wants to buy
mine works so far so good now....been years already..since it's made in japan..i worry less

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Okamizu is an Ozonizer...not a neg ionizer! It's also cheaper... <RM200! wink.gif

MedKlinn is neg Ionizer. There's a hissing sound when it's working. wink.gif Also certified to be safe with Ozone level within FDA's Ozone limitation. RRP RM360 something.

I got my MedKlinn Asens Auto for RM290 on offer. thumbup.gif

Almost wanted to buy a Sharp Plasmacluster for cars but RRP RM499!! Beyond my budget for such item. sad.gif


Added on July 19, 2011, 6:21 pmps. MedKlinn's got extended warranty if reg online...total 15 mths!

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QUOTE(zeone @ Jul 19 2011, 06:19 PM)
Okamizu is an Ozonizer...not a neg ionizer! It's also cheaper... <RM200! wink.gif

MedKlinn is neg Ionizer. There's a hissing sound when it's working. wink.gif Also certified to be safe with Ozone level within FDA's Ozone limitation. RRP RM360 something.

I got my MedKlinn Asens Auto for RM290 on offer. thumbup.gif

Almost wanted to buy a Sharp Plasmacluster for cars but RRP RM499!! Beyond my budget for such item. sad.gif


Added on July 19, 2011, 6:21 pmps. MedKlinn's got extended warranty if reg online...total 15 mths!
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charcoal + pandan leaves FTW..

even durians wont stand a chance flex.gif

anyhoo, @MR_alien that device look cool , i might grab it if its easily available laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Revamperz @ Jul 19 2011, 07:02 PM)
charcoal + pandan leaves FTW..

even durians wont stand a chance flex.gif

anyhoo, @MR_alien that device look cool , i might grab it if its easily available laugh.gif
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u can leave a msg there...ask him to contact u when he have stock
but since japan earthquake...seem like need to wait
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Recently too i did a study for air purifier , ozonizer and ionizer. Well, eventually i purchased 2 units of air purifier for both my cars. After considering all pros and cons. I still prefer something is more obvious and requires maintenance.
Ozonizer and Ionizer spoilt without warning and once you realized it , harm is done. Most of it less than Rm 100 ozonizer and ionizer rarely come with warranty as the manufacturer also doubting of the reliability and health concern on their product. They just CLAIM this and that without any study from lab or being certify.
After studying for few days. I finally decided to purchase air purifier, branded as "PERFECTAIRE" try log into this website for more details

http://www.perfectbrandz.com/newsite/produ...erfectaire.html

I been using this product for the past 1 month, well. It works well, and best of it is able to create a clean room by killing all the germs, virus , etc. This are proven by Singapore Health Ministry , Kementerian Kesihatan Malaysia, Halal Certify in Malaysia. Costing only Rm 68 for car with free 1 type of aromatherapy oil too.

Best of it is no only air purify the air but also dehumidify the air surrounding. Best for air condition room and also car. Skin will not get dry but more moisture too. Their aromatherapy is the best. I tried few and it works well for me and my family. I prefer "Green Apple" for my cars , you wouldn't feel sleepy while driving.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not a dealer for this products but only sharing here. Actually, the dealer in Malaysia for this products is sucks and idiot while doing their poor marketing. Anyhow, this is a good products.

You can get it in certain Jaya Jusco. Good Luck!!!

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i wanna get rid of rubber smells and also new car smells....dunno pandan leaves will do the tricked or not...
i tried wash with 'sunlight' sabun, expose to sunlight to dry 'em, but no improvements...
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QUOTE(XionCity @ Aug 2 2011, 02:16 PM)
i wanna get rid of rubber smells and also new car smells....dunno pandan leaves will do the tricked or not...
i tried wash with 'sunlight' sabun, expose to sunlight to dry 'em, but no improvements...
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which part of the car did u wash???
the new car smell is becuz of the new interior....wait for a while and it will be gone
dn't simply wash...later u come back F&F complain got problem in interior
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lol, my car ald 1 year 2 months old ald...still hv that smell...really can't tahan, together with my rubber mats...so, now i put pandan leaves on it...hopefully smell will gone...no, i didn't even dare to wash inside, at most is juz wipe, and uses febreeze
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cos i don have any +ve charge...
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QUOTE(allankoh007 @ Jul 28 2011, 04:42 PM)
Bro,
    Recently too i did a study for air purifier , ozonizer  and ionizer. Well, eventually i purchased 2 units of air purifier for both my cars. After considering all pros and cons. I still prefer something is more obvious and requires maintenance.
    Ozonizer and Ionizer spoilt without warning and once you realized it , harm is done. Most of it less than Rm 100 ozonizer and ionizer rarely come with warranty as the manufacturer also doubting of the reliability and health concern on their product. They just CLAIM this and that without any study from lab or being certify.
    After studying for few days. I finally decided to purchase air purifier, branded as "PERFECTAIRE"  try log into this website for more details

http://www.perfectbrandz.com/newsite/produ...erfectaire.html

I been using this product for the past 1 month, well. It works well, and best of it is able to create a clean room by killing all the germs, virus , etc. This are proven by Singapore Health Ministry , Kementerian Kesihatan Malaysia, Halal Certify in Malaysia. Costing only Rm 68 for car with free 1 type of aromatherapy oil too.

Best of it is no only air purify the air but also dehumidify the air surrounding. Best for air condition room and also car. Skin will not get dry but more moisture too. Their aromatherapy is the best. I tried few and it works well for me and my family. I prefer "Green Apple" for my cars , you wouldn't feel sleepy while driving.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not a dealer for this products but only sharing here. Actually, the dealer in Malaysia for this products is sucks and idiot while doing their poor marketing. Anyhow, this is a good products.

You can get it in certain Jaya Jusco. Good Luck!!!
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hi, i went through the website and i did not find anything about Singapor health Ministry and kementrian Malaysia...

Also, the products shows that i need to add water to them, is there any product from the same vendor which i dont need to add water?

and where did you buy yours? maybe i would want to buy the same product...
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post Sep 13 2011, 11:52 PM


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got this for my insight. tongue.gif

white color looks nice in car.

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http://www.sharp.com.my/product.php?ProductID=IGBC2E
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May I know where to get this?


QUOTE(westlife @ Sep 13 2011, 11:52 PM)
got this for my insight. tongue.gif

white color looks nice in car.

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http://www.sharp.com.my/product.php?ProductID=IGBC2E
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post Sep 22 2011, 05:49 PM


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sharp too big and need space...

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every weekend I'll use my room powerful air filter in run it in my car for few hours.. =P
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QUOTE(westlife @ Sep 13 2011, 11:52 PM)
got this for my insight. tongue.gif

white color looks nice in car.

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http://www.sharp.com.my/product.php?ProductID=IGBC2E
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Good 4yu & yr Insight! smile.gif
Yup, this is what I had wanted to get for my car!!!

However I had to make do with a second choice...price beyond my budget... sad.gif
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where to buy the sharp plasmacluster for car? and how much is it?
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where to buy the sharp plasmacluster for car? and how much is it?
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Sharp dealerships/agents?
RRP RM499? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(westlife @ Sep 13 2011, 11:52 PM)
got this for my insight. tongue.gif

white color looks nice in car.

user posted image

http://www.sharp.com.my/product.php?ProductID=IGBC2E
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Wow.. where to get this stuff?
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QUOTE(sleepyelmo @ Feb 3 2007, 01:36 AM)
Hi all,

Just wondering if car ionizers are worth getting? If so, do you actually feel 'fresher' when driving? How much would one cost roughly?

Thx all...

Edit: Brothers seem to have the air cleaner about RM38 where you stick into cigarette lighter slot. They also have one Ionizer about RM88.

Anyone has any of these? Just wanna know what you guys think.. Thx   icon_rolleyes.gif
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Recently get to test Medklinn car ionizer courtesy of a friend who started selling it. Amazingly it does work and eliminate smells. Unlike when using those charcoal or perfume, this is not one smell covers another smell. It get rid of it. But the price is quite expensive. However considering I already spent RM20 on charcoal gel each month, it will pay off in two years.
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Ionizer + ozonizer for sale....

http://www.lelong.com.my/sh-jo-6271-portab...7-01-Sale-I.htm

It's combination of ionizer and ozone generator. Suitable to eliminate bad smelling in your car...


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For Ionizer, bigger is best (there is actually a calculation to it), more ports is also good...but everyone should know, it has life span...it will last a few years...needs some cleaning...then time to replace it..I know cos my place got many use of Ionizers for manufacturing purpose.
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I would prefer those charcoal box for car than those nose-stinging perfumes or ionizer. They'll get rid of those foul odors without leaving your car smelled like chemical lab.
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QUOTE(n305er @ Feb 4 2007, 01:57 AM)
Before you guys go any futher, please note that Ionizers are NOT air fresherners dispite all the advertisments made by cheap skate ionizers about their ability to make air fresh and nice.

Ionizers basic function is just to Ionize the air. Nothing more.
And if you're buying one, try looking out for the amount of air it can ionize (mg/s).
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ionisers could lead to some not so nice smells.. ion is generated along with a small amount of ozone as a by product. ozone is smells like a burning tissue, and its extremely dangerous for our respiratory in a large quantity. so, for those who are interested to buy an ioniser, i strongly suggest for you to go for a reputable brands to ensure the level of ozone as a by product is kept minimum.. those china brand, u r on ur own.. shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Jan 9 2013, 08:09 PM)
Recently get to test Medklinn car ionizer courtesy of a friend who started selling it. Amazingly it does work and eliminate smells. Unlike when using those charcoal or perfume, this is not one smell covers another smell. It get rid of it. But the price is quite expensive. However considering I already spent RM20 on charcoal gel each month, it will pay off in two years.
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medklinn is one of the best out there. but the price is really really sweat.gif sweat.gif sweat.gif bear in mind, the ceramic plate inside the thing must be sent for servicing every year.. the plate tends to attact a dust, and some h2o while producing -ve ion.. add rm80 for a maintenance every year...
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another good and reputable brands of ioniser rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(multiplexer @ Jan 21 2013, 05:19 PM)
medklinn is one of the best out there. but the price is really really  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  bear in mind, the ceramic plate inside the thing must be sent for servicing every year.. the plate tends to attact a dust, and some h2o while producing -ve ion.. add rm80 for a maintenance every year...
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Every year RM80? The Medklinn sales person said no need send in unless really no smell liao.

Bought the car ionizer for RM350 and another for room (small) for RM480. The RM9xx one really effective. Can feel it from few feet away. Too powerful I think.
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Jan 22 2013, 08:31 AM)
Every year RM80? The Medklinn sales person said no need send in unless really no smell liao.

Bought the car ionizer for RM350 and another for room (small) for RM480. The RM9xx one really effective. Can feel it from few feet away. Too powerful I think.
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i own one.. in a year, the ion generator will degrade due to h2o and particles.. although still have smells, it would be as good as before. therefore need to send it for servicing.. u could try first for a year... High setting, the burning smells no longer as strong as before..
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