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post Oct 10 2016, 06:43 AM, updated 4w ago

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https://motiondigest.com/2016/10/07/malaysi...ad-by-2020/amp/


http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/busine...eo/3186942.html



This year and next year alone, Green Tech Malaysia will have 300 charging stations*. The goal over the next five years is to have 25,000 public charging stations in addition to the 100,000 charging stations that are going to be at Electric Car Owners home or office.

*66 @Petronas Stations at major highways?!

Update of charging stations July 2017

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post Oct 10 2016, 06:56 AM

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Number of EV charging stations mark steady growth in Malaysia
SOURCE: Bernama
KUALA LUMPUR, 5 Oct 2016:
GreenTech Malaysia group chief executive officer Ahmad Hadri today said there are 95 Charge Electric Vehicle (EV) stations across Malaysia and this will be extended to 1,000 stations by end-2017.
He said the majority of the ChargeEV stations will be located in Selangor (500), followed by Kedah (150), Johor (110), Malacca (90), Perak (60), Pahang (50) and Terengganu (40).
Ahmad said the group also targets to install 300 ChargeEV stations by this year and will keep to its target of achieving 25,000 ChargeEV stations by 2020 to support Malaysia’s target of deploying 100,000 EVs in the next five years.
He spoke after GreenTech Malaysia strengthened its partnership with BMW Group Malaysia to offer owners of the premium automaker’s new plug-in hybrid vehicles in the country access to its ChargeNow mobility services via the ChargeEV platform.

ChargeNow mobility services are powered by GreenTech Malaysia’s own brand of EV charging stations.
BMW Group Malaysia corporate communications head Sashi Ambi said as part of the BMW 360 Electric programme, customers with a BMW i or BMW Hybrid vehicle with eDrive technology are offered the new BMW ChargeNow service – using the ChargeNow card that allows customers to enjoy 24/7 support and access to ChargeEV’s charger network.
“It is important that we ensure the necessary infrastructure is available to support the new technology as this is what will also increase consumer confidence in the viability of electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles.
“As of today, the demand for both the BMW X5 xDrive40e and BMW 330e continues to grow. We have already begun delivering both vehicles to our customers; the BMW X5 xDrive40e currently has a wait list until second quarter 2017 while the order bank for the BMW 330e is healthily growing.
“We are confident that the progress of these vehicles will continue to be positive


Read more: http://www.therakyatpost.com/business/2016.../#ixzz4MdDQzdiO
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post Oct 10 2016, 06:58 AM

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Oct 10 2016, 06:47 AM)
Been eyeing for Volvo S60 T6. 300HP with 6L/100KM under 300k mark.

Goddamn.
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post Oct 10 2016, 07:36 AM

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http://www.dailyexpress.com.my/news.cfm?NewsID=113254

, October 07, 2016
Kuala Lumpur: Petronas Dagangan Bhd and GreenTech Malaysia Thursday signed a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) to provide 66 electric vehicle charging machines on major highways in Peninsular Malaysia with an allocation of RM2.2 million.
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post Oct 10 2016, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(pai3355 @ Oct 10 2016, 08:47 AM)
I think by January 2020 there are about 30k EV cars only. Who need EV cars if TNB keep increasing tariff rates
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The plan according to petronas and as far as the installed EV charger at their petrol station at highway is FREE.

Bet you will buy some snacks and drinks while waiting for your EV to charge up though
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post Oct 10 2016, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(zeese @ Oct 10 2016, 08:58 AM)
i'm wondering, does it significantly cheaper using ev (in term of electric bill) compared to petrol?
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Many sources said fuel cost is only one third.

But the saving is also maintenance, no oil change needed, etc.
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post Oct 10 2016, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(foohoa @ Oct 10 2016, 10:46 PM)
EV kapcai ok kah
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Got EV bus . Try it at Sunway-subang jaya lah

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post Oct 10 2016, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(IpohLad @ Oct 10 2016, 12:34 PM)
Not a single chance. I can bet on it by the time of 2020 Malaysia EV ownership reach 100k as likely as the pig will fly.

First thing first thats not infrastructure of charging point.

Second the car import tax is not in favour for CBU EV (big boy like BMW, Merc, Nissan, etc will not invest factory EV facility in Malaysia due to the cost and the gov's roti canai policy).

Third the gov is not encouraging to generating renewable energy.
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Chinese car maker would?

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...urun-next-july/

http://m.themalaymailonline.com/money/arti...rs-mukhriz-says

But not sure it is still on though.
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post Oct 12 2016, 05:43 AM

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QUOTE(roocarroll @ Oct 10 2016, 05:07 PM)
Yes, it is. Pennies to pounds. I think a full charge in a Tesla is £6.00. That is estimated to do 600km.

I'd love to buy an electric car. I'd buy a Tesla today if I could.

I think the only pure electric car in Malaysia is the Nissan Leaf. It costs RM150k and it has a range of 150km. You couldn't be sure of making back from Seremban.
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I think a more realistic comparison of cost to run is captured in this article,

https://ringgitplus.com/en/blog/Budgeting-S...rth-a-Look.html
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post Oct 12 2016, 06:23 AM

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QUOTE(IpohLad @ Oct 11 2016, 10:31 AM)
Would you buy a Chinese made milk powder to feed your child?

Even the Korean can hardly impact the market here let alone the Chinese. How many Great Wall can you see on the road?
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Many would buy Chinese electronics and mobile phones when the pricing is reasonable. Besides, what if it looks like below:

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Kinda of looks like a certain German, right? Incidentally, Beijing Benz, a BAIC joint venture with German automaker Daimler AG, makes the Mercedes-Benz C-Class and E-Class models for sale in China .

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post Oct 12 2016, 07:18 AM

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QUOTE(pai3355 @ Oct 11 2016, 11:45 AM)
That is very good. However the target goal can be achieve if proton and perodua are ready to make EV cars.
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I still suspect the recent proposal request by Proton to selected foreign partners including Renault has soneth8ng to do with EV, Proton Zoe?
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post Oct 12 2016, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(tictac88 @ Oct 12 2016, 07:20 AM)
where are those charging stations?
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Existing one , looks here

http://www.firstenergy.com.my/charger-loca...arger-locations

New one should be at R&R of major highways. Beyond that only Greentech Corp has all the answers
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post Oct 13 2016, 06:38 AM

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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Oct 13 2016, 06:08 AM)
Pure EV, Plug In Electric, Range extender EV all cater urban environment better than ICE cars, as traffic will provide lots of braking regen, urban provide lots of charging and range is not a limits, as most will go 30/50 km on a single trip.

Isn't that what we most do?
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Bingo. Truth be told for most people, if they openly admit, more than half the time, they are stuck crawling for their daily commute. For every 4 hours I drive , close to 3 hours i am crawling, (I work in PJ and reside in KL ) out of 50km of my daily drive, I crawl for more than 30km). I have no range anxiety...
EV would suits me just fine.


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QUOTE(eMKs @ Oct 12 2016, 12:21 PM)
120km is estimation for smooth traffic right? What if in traffic jam & hilly area like in northern part of PLUS highway.
Let say you can get 120km, take about 1 hour to drive. So, every 1 hour drive you need to stop & charge for 1 hour. Not to mention in festive season where r&r are so packed. Need to q some more to get your turn.
This calculation based on what? Rate at charging station? If it's based on TNB tariff, it's not accurate. TNB charge are 51.60 sen & 54.60 sen for 301 - 600 kWh & 601 - 900 kWh. Normal user will used up first 300 kWh  per month easily.
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QUOTE(PappyBoyington @ Oct 12 2016, 02:56 PM)
EV power consumption does not suffer as much as ICE does in traffic jams (a bit, yes, since there's the stop and go part but absent is the engine idling when the car is not moving)

Hills are no problem as the regenerative braking recoups most of the energy spent climbing up the hill. That's also why brake pads lasts a long, long time on EVs.

Won't dispute your worse-case scenario on festive season driving. These are the compromises that EV owners must be prepared to face.

Re tariff, it also depends on your own EV individual usage patterns as well as home usage patterns. So I used the average tariff to simplify the calculation. If you take the max tariff of 54.60 sen x 30kwh that's around RM16.38 for 300km = RM5.46 / 100km = 3.2 liters of RON95 for 100 km

Up to you to take it up or not.. have you tried driving one?
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For TNB tariff, most people neglected there is actually more complicated calculation to the equation, fuel cost pass through of negative 1.52 sen for each kWh, 1.5% levy of feed in tariff, and GST of 6%.



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QUOTE(IpohLad @ Oct 13 2016, 01:56 PM)
Lucky you!

We only have these doggy chinese one.

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Singapore?

2 days ago this was reported.

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Reuters
Tue Oct 11, 2016 | 1:50 PM EDT
Electric cars could dominate roads in wealthy cities by 2030: report


(Reuters) - Electric vehicles could account for two-thirds of all cars on the road by 2030 in wealthy cities such as London and Singapore due to stricter emissions regulation, falling technology costs and more consumer interest, research showed on Tuesday.

Electric vehicles (EVs) are becoming far more common. To help lower harmful greenhouse gas emissions, governments are trying to encourage their uptake through subsidies and tax breaks and introducing low-emissions zones.

Technology costs are also falling rapidly. The cost of a lithium-ion battery pack fell 65 percent in 2015 to around $350 per kilowatt hour, from $1,000/KWh in 2010, and is expected to fall below $100/KWh over the next decade, a report by consultancy McKinsey & Co and Bloomberg New Energy Finance (BNEF) showed.

"In densely populated, high-income cities like London and Singapore ... electric vehicles could represent as much as 60 percent of all vehicles on the road by 2030, the result of low-emission zones, consumer interest and favorable economics," the report said.

However, the growth of EVs could be a threat to the automotive sector.

"The automotive sector faces a future that could be fundamentally different from its past and may need to consider moving from using a pure product-ownership model toward providing a range of transportation services," the report said.

Gasoline retailers should also be considering further monetization of their current assets and how to get more value from electric charging, the retail market and fleet services.

At a BNEF Future of Energy Summit in London on Tuesday, BP's chief economist Spencer Dale said: "Electric vehicles could take off anytime," as shifts in social preferences cannot be modeled.


(Reporting by Nina Chestney, editing by David Evans)
Brace your self for EV domination! Lucky you!

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post Oct 14 2016, 06:14 AM

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More budget , (double)

Should be helping.

http://www.eco-business.com/press-releases...-rm100-million/
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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Oct 14 2016, 08:25 AM)
Won't be happen to Malaysia anytime soon.

Look at our EEV rules, there is no emission mentioned, which is failed.

We are lucky when our commercial vehicles need to enter SG n hv to follow SG strict emission rules, thus introduction of Euro5 in South pioneer by BHP.

While to boost EV awareness, we need govt set rules to boost it else it will takes time... 10 years or more perhaps when EV become more affordable?!?
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Not dominating, certainly. Anyway, it is not a contest, 100k is very small number compare to all the car on the road in Malaysia, we have millions if not tens of millions.


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QUOTE(IpohLad @ Oct 14 2016, 11:02 PM)
I don't think Singapore will be one of those city where the citizen concern about climate change issue. Just like asians they worry about their bank account balance than the sea level.

London however is a complete different story.

This is what London transport email me this morning.

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At least the new mayor is doing something about pollution.
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Still say nay?

The Singapore goverment official pronounce 50% EV by 2050

http://inhabitat.com/singapore-aims-for-50...hicles-by-2050/
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QUOTE(NoCarUrbanite @ Apr 10 2017, 03:36 PM)
So Greentech and MAI come up with a new statement about 100% EEV penetration by 2025... but what happen to 100k EV by 2020?

Greentech eating their own words and diverting from EV to EEV?
I think this article spells clearly that we will not see EV making major inroads into Malaysian market in the next 10 year.... except for the 100 units Tesla Model S.

https://motiondigest.com/2017/04/10/can-mal...rget-with-eevs/
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Looks like different goal to me. 100% EEV is a percentage

And 100k EV is an absolute number

Don't think we need to jump the gun here

The article said it is not impossible to reach ther percentage of EEV because they defined it as 100% for new car registration

As for EV goal. It depends on how well is the take up of Tesla in the meantime since it is the only long range enabled products

However , if we just look at the potential , the prospect on its own is not looking good.

Luxury cars market size for Msia is about 1500 per month and that work out to about 18k per year. I use this car market size because let's face it, Tesla is luxury goods. End of story.

So even if they can convert all these Metz, BMW, Audi, Lexus, , infiniti, etc.e buyers to Tesla, the number should still fall short because we are already in 2017 and 2020 is just 3.5 years away. So my money is on not reachable because it has been a lofty goal set in the first place.

Unless Greentech has something else up on their sleeves.....





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Greentech, take notice.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelschmitt/...e/#134e0b8317e2

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