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post Oct 12 2016, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(PappyBoyington @ Oct 12 2016, 11:39 AM)
The fast 22kW chargers at the 66 locations along the highway is able to add around 120km of distance per hour of charging, so if the next charging station is around 60km away (not unrealistic given that there are 66) then you spend 30mins at the charger, just nice to stretch your legs, toilet break, maybe even a cup of coffee.

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120km is estimation for smooth traffic right? What if in traffic jam & hilly area like in northern part of PLUS highway.
Let say you can get 120km, take about 1 hour to drive. So, every 1 hour drive you need to stop & charge for 1 hour. Not to mention in festive season where r&r are so packed. Need to q some more to get your turn.

QUOTE(PappyBoyington @ Oct 12 2016, 11:56 AM)
TNB tariffs are driven by fuel (gas, coal in Peninsular) prices la bro.

Difference is that to "top up" a 30kWh Nissan Leaf costs around RM0.40 x 30 = RM12 which can take you around 300km.

PS - the target will also include Plug-In Hybrids (ones that have petrol or diesel engines to supplement the battery) and also electric bicycles and motorcycles.
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This calculation based on what? Rate at charging station? If it's based on TNB tariff, it's not accurate. TNB charge are 51.60 sen & 54.60 sen for 301 - 600 kWh & 601 - 900 kWh. Normal user will used up first 300 kWh per month easily.
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post Oct 12 2016, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(PappyBoyington @ Oct 12 2016, 11:39 AM)
The usage pattern of an EV is very different from an ICE.

The EV is typically fully charged overnight when it is parked at home (easier in landed property, tricky in condos) and for normal, urban use, does not need to be topped up during the day.

You never have to visit a petrol station!

For long-distance driving, there has to be some planning and battery management.

The EV should be topped up just enough to get it to the next charging station, not driven until empty (this is the biggest difference in driving behaviour between ICE and EV)

The fast 22kW chargers at the 66 locations along the highway is able to add around 120km of distance per hour of charging, so if the next charging station is around 60km away (not unrealistic given that there are 66) then you spend 30mins at the charger, just nice to stretch your legs, toilet break, maybe even a cup of coffee.

Re: Safety, you can google and see what the risks are. They're pretty safe, otherwise authorities would not let them be sold, amirite?

Petrol cars can also explode and burn down as we have seen numerous times. Depends on the counterfactual.
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At highway, from JB to Ipoh around 500 km, petrol car maybe need 5 hours if drive at 100km/h.
with EV meaning that you will need 5 + 5 hours = double the time to get from JB to Ipoh. Not a realistic replacement for petrol car. And how much electrical bill you can bare monthly consider the tariff will be exponential increase with each after certain KW usage. don't be fool by basic tariff for electricity
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post Oct 12 2016, 02:13 PM

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Maybe there will be a power bank (let say as big as our battery car) for emergency. Enough to power up our car for 50km driving smile.gif
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post Oct 12 2016, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(pai3355 @ Oct 12 2016, 02:13 PM)
Maybe there will be a power bank (let say as big as our battery car) for emergency. Enough to power up our car for 50km driving smile.gif
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Highest single battery capacity maybe 100Ah, or 1.2 kWh. If 30 kWh can go 150km, 1.2 kWh? You do the math. Furthermore, EV normally use battery in series to power up high voltage motor. It will make 12V battery pretty much useless.
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post Oct 12 2016, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(eMKs @ Oct 12 2016, 12:21 PM)
120km is estimation for smooth traffic right? What if in traffic jam & hilly area like in northern part of PLUS highway.
Let say you can get 120km, take about 1 hour to drive. So, every 1 hour drive you need to stop & charge for 1 hour. Not to mention in festive season where r&r are so packed. Need to q some more to get your turn.
This calculation based on what? Rate at charging station? If it's based on TNB tariff, it's not accurate. TNB charge are 51.60 sen & 54.60 sen for 301 - 600 kWh & 601 - 900 kWh. Normal user will used up first 300 kWh  per month easily.
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EV power consumption does not suffer as much as ICE does in traffic jams (a bit, yes, since there's the stop and go part but absent is the engine idling when the car is not moving)

Hills are no problem as the regenerative braking recoups most of the energy spent climbing up the hill. That's also why brake pads lasts a long, long time on EVs.

Won't dispute your worse-case scenario on festive season driving. These are the compromises that EV owners must be prepared to face.

Re tariff, it also depends on your own EV individual usage patterns as well as home usage patterns. So I used the average tariff to simplify the calculation. If you take the max tariff of 54.60 sen x 30kwh that's around RM16.38 for 300km = RM5.46 / 100km = 3.2 liters of RON95 for 100 km

Up to you to take it up or not.. have you tried driving one?
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post Oct 12 2016, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(infinite81 @ Oct 12 2016, 06:01 AM)
At highway, from JB to Ipoh around 500 km, petrol car maybe need 5 hours if drive at 100km/h.
with EV meaning that you will need 5 + 5 hours = double the time to get from JB to Ipoh. Not a realistic replacement for petrol car. And how much electrical bill you can bare monthly consider the tariff will be exponential increase with each after certain KW usage. don't be fool by basic tariff for electricity
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Sorry to tell you that EV is not for you. Until Tesla and highway R&R are full of charging point.

And its done and dusted with proper infrastructure. Electric car attempts London-to-Edinburgh in a day

By the way this is a 650km trip.
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post Oct 12 2016, 03:34 PM

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wonder how come there is not EV motorcycle?


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post Oct 12 2016, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(pai3355 @ Oct 12 2016, 02:13 PM)
Maybe there will be a power bank (let say as big as our battery car) for emergency. Enough to power up our car for 50km driving smile.gif
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https://electrek.co/2016/09/06/aaa-ev-emerg...charging-truck/

AAA has a little-known program for which it equipped trucks with Level 2 AC chargers, and even some with a CHAdeMO DC fast charger powered by onboard generators, in order to help electric vehicle drivers stranded without power.

The service, which is only offered in a few of AAA’s markets, aimed at addressing the often talked about issues with “range anxiety”, but as most EV drivers know, range anxiety doesn’t really exist with vigilant power management. Nonetheless, the service has seen “thousands” of service calls according to AAA.
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post Oct 12 2016, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(vin_ann @ Oct 12 2016, 03:34 PM)
wonder how come there is not EV motorcycle?
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Got, lah

Subang Jaya Municipal Council (MPSJ) has confirmed that it will start using electric motorcycles in January 2016.

MPSJ will be the first local authorities in the state to use these motorcycles which is in line with its green initiative says its president Datuk Nor Hisham Ahmad Dahlan.

“It is in line with the MPSJ Green City 2030 action plan and our Low Carbon Cities Framework (LCCF)-related projects.

“MPSJ has agreed to use the electric motorcycles supplied by Eclimo Motor Company Sdn Bhd for our Enforcement Department," he shared.

Also see

http://treeletrik.com/
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post Oct 12 2016, 03:40 PM

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Electric vehicles can meet drivers' needs enough to replace 90 percent of vehicles now on the road

"Roughly 90 percent of the personal vehicles on the road daily could be replaced by a low-cost electric vehicle available on the market today, even if the cars can only charge overnight," Trancik says, "which would more than meet near-term U.S. climate targets for personal vehicle travel." Overall, when accounting for the emissions today from the power plants that provide the electricity, this would lead to an approximately 30 percent reduction in emissions from transportation. Deeper emissions cuts would be realized if power plants decarbonize over time.


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post Oct 12 2016, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(PappyBoyington @ Oct 12 2016, 03:38 PM)
Got, lah

Subang Jaya Municipal Council (MPSJ) has confirmed that it will start using electric motorcycles in January 2016.

MPSJ will be the first local authorities in the state to use these motorcycles which is in line with its green initiative says its president Datuk Nor Hisham Ahmad Dahlan.

“It is in line with the MPSJ Green City 2030 action plan and our Low Carbon Cities Framework (LCCF)-related projects.

“MPSJ has agreed to use the electric motorcycles supplied by Eclimo Motor Company Sdn Bhd for our Enforcement Department," he shared.

Also see

http://treeletrik.com/
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Thanks for mention

so far i only know http://eclimo.com.my/vehicle/ EV motor available for corporate purchase/usage ie. KFC delivery motor, not for public usage.

meanwhile in Taiwan, they labelled them as Two wheel Tesla ---> https://www.gogoro.com/

so far there is no public individual buying electric motor.... while GreenTech only focuses on Tesla Model S where the big money are.

i doubt EV can take off very soon, its need time, a very long time to be mature when oil prices hitting sky-high.


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post Oct 12 2016, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(wira_laju @ Oct 11 2016, 12:24 AM)
same reason why biodisel not introduce in malaysia..petronas will bungkuslah..
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I tot current euro 5 diesel in malaysia is B7 biodiesel.
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post Oct 12 2016, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(wira_laju @ Oct 11 2016, 12:24 AM)
same reason why biodisel not introduce in malaysia..petronas will bungkuslah..
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Why would PETRONAS bungkus?
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post Oct 12 2016, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(PappyBoyington @ Oct 12 2016, 02:56 PM)
EV power consumption does not suffer as much as ICE does in traffic jams (a bit, yes, since there's the stop and go part but absent is the engine idling when the car is not moving)

Hills are no problem as the regenerative braking recoups most of the energy spent climbing up the hill. That's also why brake pads lasts a long, long time on EVs.

Won't dispute your worse-case scenario on festive season driving. These are the compromises that EV owners must be prepared to face.

Re tariff, it also depends on your own EV individual usage patterns as well as home usage patterns. So I used the average tariff to simplify the calculation. If you take the max tariff of 54.60 sen x 30kwh that's around RM16.38 for 300km = RM5.46 / 100km = 3.2 liters of RON95 for 100 km

Up to you to take it up or not.. have you tried driving one?
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You didn't take into account air cond power requirement. The more you spend on the road, the more air cond power is needed. Same like auto start/stop engine has no advantage during hot days. At night maybe, but you still have to power up the headlights.

I would like to try driving one if I've given the chance.
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post Oct 12 2016, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(eMKs @ Oct 12 2016, 04:44 PM)
You didn't take into account air cond power requirement. The more you spend on the road, the more air cond power is needed. Same like auto start/stop engine has no advantage during hot days. At night maybe, but you still have to power up the headlights.

I would like to try driving one if I've given the chance.
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You can try the Leaf and Zoe today if you like. The PJ Renault has it. Saw someone test driving the other day.

The aircond doesn't take that much juice.
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post Oct 12 2016, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(eMKs @ Oct 12 2016, 04:44 PM)
You didn't take into account air cond power requirement. The more you spend on the road, the more air cond power is needed. Same like auto start/stop engine has no advantage during hot days. At night maybe, but you still have to power up the headlights.

I would like to try driving one if I've given the chance.
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post Oct 12 2016, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Oct 12 2016, 09:04 AM)
Existing one , looks here

http://www.firstenergy.com.my/charger-loca...arger-locations

New one should be at R&R of major highways. Beyond that only Greentech Corp has all the answers
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wow free of charge. so no more petrol cost?

downside is you have to stay in shopping center for hours and spend money there.

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post Oct 12 2016, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(tictac88 @ Oct 12 2016, 08:17 PM)
wow free of charge. so no more petrol cost?

downside is you have to stay in shopping center for hours and spend money there.
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That's where self-control comes in LOL

Won't be free forever, someone has to pay TNB for the electrons eventually cool2.gif
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post Oct 12 2016, 08:44 PM

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Give discount and incentives for people who wants to buy electric car. Countries like USA are doing it.
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post Oct 12 2016, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(GOPI56 @ Oct 12 2016, 08:44 PM)
Give discount and incentives for people who wants to buy electric car. Countries like USA are doing it.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_in...ectric_vehicles

Most of them are developed countries whose citizens are willing to subsidize EV/PHEV due to their environmental impact.

Malaysia consumers want everything cheap.. rclxms.gif



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