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> 100,000 electric vehicle on our road by 2030?, Lofty goal or achievable?

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Ginny88
post Oct 11 2016, 07:20 AM

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Not going to happen unless the price of electric vehicles drop drastically. If the govt removes all the tax on EVs it may just help.

jasonhanjk
post Oct 11 2016, 09:24 AM

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EV is not green in Malaysia. The fact is our majority electricity generation is using oil. Not to mention about 50% of electricity go to waste.
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post Oct 11 2016, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Oct 11 2016, 07:20 AM)
Not going to happen unless the price of electric vehicles drop drastically. If the govt removes all the tax on EVs it may just help.
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Other governments give incentives to go electric.. like free parking or cheaper/no/refund tax to lower the intial purchase price.. if its status quo, l guess its not feasible to go electric - unless you are super-loaded
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post Oct 11 2016, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(jasonhanjk @ Oct 11 2016, 09:24 AM)
EV is not green in Malaysia. The fact is our majority electricity generation is using oil. Not to mention about 50% of electricity go to waste.
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Haha..

True.. but tats not our part.. our part is not to add to the carbon footprint n going electric does tat.. or else to use public transport..
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post Oct 11 2016, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(dirtrun @ Oct 11 2016, 09:37 AM)
Haha..

True.. but tats not our part.. our part is not to add to the carbon footprint n going electric does tat.. or else to use public transport..
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If our country generates power from biowaste, biofuel or solar. Then I would say it's green. biggrin.gif
I need to give my plant the biochar soon, it's carbon negative. smile.gif
IpohLad
post Oct 11 2016, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Oct 10 2016, 04:09 PM)
Would you buy a Chinese made milk powder to feed your child?

Even the Korean can hardly impact the market here let alone the Chinese. How many Great Wall can you see on the road?
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post Oct 11 2016, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Oct 10 2016, 06:47 AM)
Been eyeing for Volvo S60 T6. 300HP with 6L/100KM under 300k mark.

Goddamn.
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that is not electric car lah. Only "Energy Efficient Vehicle".
pai3355
post Oct 11 2016, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Oct 10 2016, 10:44 PM)
The plan according to petronas and as far as the installed EV charger at their petrol station at highway is FREE.

Bet you will buy some snacks and drinks while waiting for your EV to charge up though
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That is very good. However the target goal can be achieve if proton and perodua are ready to make EV cars.
TSEnergyAnalyst
post Oct 12 2016, 05:43 AM

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QUOTE(roocarroll @ Oct 10 2016, 05:07 PM)
Yes, it is. Pennies to pounds. I think a full charge in a Tesla is £6.00. That is estimated to do 600km.

I'd love to buy an electric car. I'd buy a Tesla today if I could.

I think the only pure electric car in Malaysia is the Nissan Leaf. It costs RM150k and it has a range of 150km. You couldn't be sure of making back from Seremban.
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I think a more realistic comparison of cost to run is captured in this article,

https://ringgitplus.com/en/blog/Budgeting-S...rth-a-Look.html
TSEnergyAnalyst
post Oct 12 2016, 06:23 AM

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QUOTE(IpohLad @ Oct 11 2016, 10:31 AM)
Would you buy a Chinese made milk powder to feed your child?

Even the Korean can hardly impact the market here let alone the Chinese. How many Great Wall can you see on the road?
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Many would buy Chinese electronics and mobile phones when the pricing is reasonable. Besides, what if it looks like below:

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Kinda of looks like a certain German, right? Incidentally, Beijing Benz, a BAIC joint venture with German automaker Daimler AG, makes the Mercedes-Benz C-Class and E-Class models for sale in China .

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TSEnergyAnalyst
post Oct 12 2016, 07:18 AM

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QUOTE(pai3355 @ Oct 11 2016, 11:45 AM)
That is very good. However the target goal can be achieve if proton and perodua are ready to make EV cars.
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I still suspect the recent proposal request by Proton to selected foreign partners including Renault has soneth8ng to do with EV, Proton Zoe?
tictac88
post Oct 12 2016, 07:20 AM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Oct 10 2016, 06:43 AM)
https://motiondigest.com/2016/10/07/malaysi...ad-by-2020/amp/
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/busine...eo/3186942.html
This year and next year alone, Green Tech Malaysia will have 300 charging stations*. The goal over the next five years is to have 25,000 public charging stations in addition to the 100,000 charging stations that are going to be at Electric Car Owners home or office.

*66 @Petronas Stations at major highways?!
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where are those charging stations?

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post Oct 12 2016, 07:23 AM

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QUOTE(IpohLad @ Oct 10 2016, 12:34 PM)
Not a single chance. I can bet on it by the time of 2020 Malaysia EV ownership reach 100k as likely as the pig will fly.

First thing first thats not infrastructure of charging point.

Second the car import tax is not in favour for CBU EV (big boy like BMW, Merc, Nissan, etc will not invest factory EV facility in Malaysia due to the cost and the gov's roti canai policy).

Third the gov is not encouraging to generating renewable energy.
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And government wants less car going to the city, meaning less reason to buy expensive electric car and let it sit at the pouch.
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post Oct 12 2016, 07:55 AM

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I think 100,000 hybrids on the road plus Euro4M only fuel can be sold is more realistic.
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post Oct 12 2016, 08:11 AM

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Full charge vs 10mins charge is a huge difference.
How long it took for a EV car to be fully charged?
How much time the user willing to spend at the charging station?
And how safe is the EV car during accidents impact?
A battery leak can lead to explosions.
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post Oct 12 2016, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(tictac88 @ Oct 12 2016, 07:20 AM)
where are those charging stations?
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Existing one , looks here

http://www.firstenergy.com.my/charger-loca...arger-locations

New one should be at R&R of major highways. Beyond that only Greentech Corp has all the answers
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post Oct 12 2016, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Oct 11 2016, 11:23 PM)
Many would buy Chinese electronics and mobile phones when the pricing is reasonable. Besides, what if it looks like below:

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Kinda of looks like a certain German, right? Incidentally,  Beijing Benz, a BAIC joint venture with German automaker Daimler AG, makes the Mercedes-Benz C-Class and E-Class models for sale in China .
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It's look hideous. Its a knock off B class. Car is a completely different segment here. How much is a smartphone cost and how much is a car cost?
PappyBoyington
post Oct 12 2016, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(tictac88 @ Oct 12 2016, 07:20 AM)
where are those charging stations?
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The list is here

You can also download the NewMotion app from AppStore and Google Play, the information in there is more up-to-date and it will even tell you if the charger is occupied


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post Oct 12 2016, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(infinite81 @ Oct 12 2016, 08:11 AM)
Full charge vs 10mins charge is a huge difference.
How long it took for a EV car to be fully charged?
How much time the user willing to spend at the charging station?
And how safe is the EV car during accidents impact?
A battery leak can lead to explosions.
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The usage pattern of an EV is very different from an ICE.

The EV is typically fully charged overnight when it is parked at home (easier in landed property, tricky in condos) and for normal, urban use, does not need to be topped up during the day.

You never have to visit a petrol station!

For long-distance driving, there has to be some planning and battery management.

The EV should be topped up just enough to get it to the next charging station, not driven until empty (this is the biggest difference in driving behaviour between ICE and EV)

The fast 22kW chargers at the 66 locations along the highway is able to add around 120km of distance per hour of charging, so if the next charging station is around 60km away (not unrealistic given that there are 66) then you spend 30mins at the charger, just nice to stretch your legs, toilet break, maybe even a cup of coffee.

Re: Safety, you can google and see what the risks are. They're pretty safe, otherwise authorities would not let them be sold, amirite?

Petrol cars can also explode and burn down as we have seen numerous times. Depends on the counterfactual.

PappyBoyington
post Oct 12 2016, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(pai3355 @ Oct 10 2016, 08:47 AM)
I think by January 2020 there are about 30k EV cars only. Who need EV cars if TNB keep increasing tariff rates
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TNB tariffs are driven by fuel (gas, coal in Peninsular) prices la bro.

Difference is that to "top up" a 30kWh Nissan Leaf costs around RM0.40 x 30 = RM12 which can take you around 300km.

PS - the target will also include Plug-In Hybrids (ones that have petrol or diesel engines to supplement the battery) and also electric bicycles and motorcycles.

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