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TSDS4
post Sep 24 2016, 12:13 PM, updated 10y ago

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Effective 1 Sept 2016,
Selangor Government and LPHS have imposed new Guidelines for Commercial Residential Development

Any development with commercial title and means for residential purposes such like Service Apartment, SOHO , SOVO , SOFO and Office Boutique, will require to comply with some of the guide below

1. If LESS than 500units, compulsory to built 10% of Rumah Mampu Milk
2. If more than 500 and less than 1000units, compulsory to built 15% Rumah Mampu Milk
3. If more than 1000units, compulsory to built 20% Rumah Mampu Milk
4. If located within TOD Zone , compulsory to built 30% Rumah Mampu Milk

Exp,

300units normal service Apartment, will need to built another 15units (5%) service Apartment Mampu Milk

1200units SOHO, will need to built another 240units (20%) SOHO Mampu Milk

Fixed price and minimum sizes

1) Service Apartment and SOHO fixed price at RM270K with minimum size from 550sqft.
2) Boutique Office , SOVO, SOFO fixed price at RM 230K with minimum size from 450sqft.

This requirement will take effect for all submission after 1 Sept 2016.

Earlier submission (before 1 Sept 2016) and those KIV submission after 31 Dec 2015 will not be affected.

Do you all think that this new Guidelines will effectively control the oversupply of Commercial type of residential development (Service Apartment, SOHO, SOVO, SOFO) in Selangor????

This post has been edited by DS4: Sep 24 2016, 10:38 PM
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post Sep 24 2016, 12:22 PM

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Before this many developer's chose to convert residential land title to commercial type in SSelangor state, for the following reason

1) To built Service Apartment (commercial title) rather than condominium or Apartment (residential title) due to compulsory allocation for Rumah SelangorKU if you built residential title house.

2) Working on plot ratio (commercial title) rather than Density (residential title), due to plot ratio doesn't limit the numbers if units but density is counted by numbers if units. 550sqft Service Apartment can easily sell with higher psf than condominium with 850sqft.
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post Sep 24 2016, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(DS4 @ Sep 24 2016, 12:13 PM)
Effective 1 Sept 2016,
Selangor Government and LPHS have imposed new Guidelines for Commercial Residential Development

Any development with commercial title and means for residential purposes such like Service Apartment, SOHO , SOVO , SOFO and Office Boutique, will require to comply with some of the guide below

1. If more than 500units, compulsory to built 5% of Rumah Mampu Milk
2. If more than 500 and less than 1000units, compulsory to built 10% Rumah Mampu Milk
3. If more than 1000units, compulsory to built 20% Rumah Mampu Milk
4. If located within TOD Zone , compulsory to built 30% Rumah Mampu Milk

Exp,

300units normal service Apartment, will need to built another 15units (5%) service Apartment Mampu Milk

1200units SOHO, will need to built another 240units (20%) SOHO Mampu Milk

Fixed price and minimum sizes

1) Service Apartment and SOHO fixed price at RM270K with minimum size from 550sqft.
2) Boutique Office , SOVO, SOFO fixed price at RM 230K with minimum size from 450sqft.

This requirement will take effect for all submission after 1 Sept 2016.

Earlier submission (before 1 Sept 2016) and those KIV submission after 31 Dec 2015 will not be affected.

Do you all think that this new Guidelines will effectively control the oversupply of Commercial type of residential development (Service Apartment, SOHO, SOVO, SOFO) in Selangor????
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The fixed price is for those mampu milik units only?
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post Sep 24 2016, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(davkong @ Sep 24 2016, 12:41 PM)
The fixed price is for those mampu milik units only?
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Yes. Only applicable for all different types of Rumah Mampu Milk

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post Sep 24 2016, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(DS4 @ Sep 24 2016, 12:22 PM)
Before this many developer's chose to convert residential land title to commercial type in SSelangor state, for the following reason

1) To built Service Apartment (commercial title) rather than condominium or Apartment (residential title) due to compulsory allocation for Rumah SelangorKU if you built residential title house.

2) Working on plot ratio (commercial title) rather than Density (residential title), due to plot ratio doesn't limit the numbers if units but density is counted by numbers if units. 550sqft Service Apartment can easily sell with higher psf than condominium with 850sqft.
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also higher margin of financing LTV80 compared to LTV70.
less furnishing required...can give bare units bare floors...cheaper to build yet can charge sky high price.
and no need to provide compulsory carparks if resi.

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post Sep 24 2016, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Sep 24 2016, 12:50 PM)
also higher margin of financing LTV80 compared to LTV70.
less furnishing required...can give bare units bare floors...cheaper to build yet can charge sky high price.
and no need to provide compulsory carparks if resi.
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Yes, that's why many developer's opt to built commercial type of residential development instead of residential development.
Internal unit doesn't need to provide any internal wall, tiles and really save a lot..
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This is good move to protect Service Apartment , SOHO, SOVO, SOFO market.
Especially for those who already purchased and worried on excessive supply.

Expected developer will allocated those Mampu Milik unit at lower floor, facing no view, or thise same floor with utilities room or below water tank units.
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post Sep 24 2016, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(DS4 @ Sep 24 2016, 01:13 PM)
This is good move to protect Service Apartment , SOHO, SOVO, SOFO market.
Especially for those who already purchased and worried on excessive supply.

Expected developer will allocated those Mampu Milik unit at lower floor, facing no view, or thise same floor with utilities room or below water tank units.
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From approval to vp could take up to 5 years. This guidelines is likely to curb oversupply for next few years.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Sep 24 2016, 01:37 PM)
From approval to vp could take up to 5 years. This guidelines is likely to curb oversupply for next few years.
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The higher and stringent the requirements,

The higher the selling price will be set.

Due to the fact anticipated developer's profit is fix at 20% minimum.

Land cost and construction cost (material and labour wages) will increase over time.

Even if those soft cost not much changes, the property price for new launching will still increasing.....

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post Sep 24 2016, 02:59 PM

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The rule is out of good heart, but only works for developer with a big piece of land or several parcels close to each other. t For those had to squeezed in the requirement unit into the same building, he ultimate bitter is swallowed by the consumer.

High count residence already lead to high probability of rat among the good. Now you mix lower income people in regardless the market segment of the product.

Imagine you work your ass off to live in a quality environment, only to know that you have a few slums at lower floor or facing the cemetery or whichever less appetite direction... This really getting like those sci fi movie...
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is the state govt allowed poorer residents now to occupy sovo and sofo as residential units with these laws?
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post Sep 24 2016, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(DS4 @ Sep 24 2016, 01:43 PM)
The higher and stringent the requirements,

The higher the selling price will be set.

Due to the fact anticipated developer's profit is fix at 20% minimum.

Land cost and construction cost (material and labour wages) will increase over time.

Even if those soft cost not much changes, the property price for new launching will still increasing.....
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Historically, property price rise at about inflation rate in the long term.

Drastic kv property price rise from 2011 to 2014 was a fallout of US QE. As income didn't rise inline or faster than property price, current property price is unsustainable.

QUOTE(qwerty223 @ Sep 24 2016, 02:59 PM)
The rule is out of good heart, but only works for developer with a big piece of land or several parcels close to each other. t For those had to squeezed in the requirement unit into the same building, he ultimate bitter is swallowed by the consumer.

High count residence already lead to high probability of rat among the good. Now you mix lower income people in regardless the market segment of the product.

Imagine you work your ass off to live in a quality environment, only to know that you have a few slums at lower floor or facing the cemetery or whichever less appetite direction... This really getting like those sci fi movie...
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Believe the intention of this guideline is to discourage developer to build unregulated commercial titled residence.


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post Sep 24 2016, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(qwerty223 @ Sep 24 2016, 02:59 PM)
The rule is out of good heart, but only works for developer with a big piece of land or several parcels close to each other. t For those had to squeezed in the requirement unit into the same building, he ultimate bitter is swallowed by the consumer.

High count residence already lead to high probability of rat among the good. Now you mix lower income people in regardless the market segment of the product.

Imagine you work your ass off to live in a quality environment, only to know that you have a few slums at lower floor or facing the cemetery or whichever less appetite direction... This really getting like those sci fi movie...
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Agreed, those developers with only have one block to launch,

Will really need a very good strategy on how to allocated affordable SA, SOHOetc... Within same building.

In Penang, in fact, already have this practice with different entrance and different lift to serve.

But this will reduce building efficiency and eventually with lower NFA...

On facilities wise, really difficult to separate, due to the fact those affordable house buyer are still human mega_shok.gif mega_shok.gif

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Sep 24 2016, 03:02 PM)
is the state govt allowed poorer residents now to occupy sovo and sofo as residential units with these laws?
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I can't really comments those group are poorer as you mentioned.

But the maximum monthly wages for household income shall not be exceeding RM10,000/-

But for subsale, you can only sell these affordable units for those who must owned company,

say enterprise and is one of the director.....



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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Sep 24 2016, 03:28 PM)
Historically, property price rise at about inflation rate in the long term.

Drastic kv property price rise from 2011 to 2014 was a fallout of US QE. As income didn't rise inline or faster than property price, current property price is unsustainable.
Believe the intention of this guideline is to discourage developer to build unregulated commercial titled residence.
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Yes, you hit the point.

The Goverment aware that more and more these type of so called Service Apartments, SOHO, SOVO, SOFO, Office Boutique are used as family residential,
So they really discourage developers to use this loop hole to sell as a "residential Unit"

The first move is to limit the type of business in these kind of building.
Such like small bakery shop, salon, massage, music centre, kindergarden, dancing centre, singing centre, store...
Are all NOT ALLOW to be operated in SOHO, SOVO, SOFO....OFFICE BOUTIQUE...

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QUOTE(DS4 @ Sep 24 2016, 01:13 PM)
Effective 1 Sept 2016,
Selangor Government and LPHS have imposed new Guidelines for Commercial Residential Development

Any development with commercial title and means for residential purposes such like Service Apartment, SOHO , SOVO , SOFO and Office Boutique, will require to comply with some of the guide below

1. If more than 500units, compulsory to built 5% of Rumah Mampu Milk
2. If more than 500 and less than 1000units, compulsory to built 10% Rumah Mampu Milk
3. If more than 1000units, compulsory to built 20% Rumah Mampu Milk
4. If located within TOD Zone , compulsory to built 30% Rumah Mampu Milk

Exp,

300units normal service Apartment, will need to built another 15units (5%) service Apartment Mampu Milk

1200units SOHO, will need to built another 240units (20%) SOHO Mampu Milk

Fixed price and minimum sizes

1) Service Apartment and SOHO fixed price at RM270K with minimum size from 550sqft.
2) Boutique Office , SOVO, SOFO fixed price at RM 230K with minimum size from 450sqft.

This requirement will take effect for all submission after 1 Sept 2016.

Earlier submission (before 1 Sept 2016) and those KIV submission after 31 Dec 2015 will not be affected.

Do you all think that this new Guidelines will effectively control the oversupply of Commercial type of residential development (Service Apartment, SOHO, SOVO, SOFO) in Selangor????
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Sorry I a bit confuse on this.

1. If more than 500units, compulsory to built 5% of Rumah Mampu Milk
2. If more than 500 and less than 1000units, compulsory to built 10% Rumah Mampu Milk

If 505 units which one is required? 5% or 10%? 🤔
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QUOTE(SeanFD2 @ Sep 24 2016, 04:58 PM)
Sorry I a bit confuse on this.

1. If more than 500units, compulsory to built 5% of Rumah Mampu Milk
2. If more than 500 and less than 1000units, compulsory to built 10% Rumah Mampu Milk

If 505 units which one is required? 5% or 10%? 🤔
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Simple logic
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QUOTE(DS4 @ Sep 24 2016, 12:13 PM)
Effective 1 Sept 2016,
Selangor Government and LPHS have imposed new Guidelines for Commercial Residential Development

Any development with commercial title and means for residential purposes such like Service Apartment, SOHO , SOVO , SOFO and Office Boutique, will require to comply with some of the guide below

1. If more than 500units, compulsory to built 5% of Rumah Mampu Milk
2. If more than 500 and less than 1000units, compulsory to built 10% Rumah Mampu Milk
3. If more than 1000units, compulsory to built 20% Rumah Mampu Milk
4. If located within TOD Zone , compulsory to built 30% Rumah Mampu Milk

Exp,

300units normal service Apartment, will need to built another 15units (5%) service Apartment Mampu Milk

1200units SOHO, will need to built another 240units (20%) SOHO Mampu Milk

Fixed price and minimum sizes

1) Service Apartment and SOHO fixed price at RM270K with minimum size from 550sqft.
2) Boutique Office , SOVO, SOFO fixed price at RM 230K with minimum size from 450sqft.

This requirement will take effect for all submission after 1 Sept 2016.

Earlier submission (before 1 Sept 2016) and those KIV submission after 31 Dec 2015 will not be affected.

Do you all think that this new Guidelines will effectively control the oversupply of Commercial type of residential development (Service Apartment, SOHO, SOVO, SOFO) in Selangor????
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TS, can u share the source of this guideline?
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QUOTE(brianklc @ Sep 24 2016, 06:23 PM)
Simple logic
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Mean? Logic wise is 5% since 505 is close to 500? What if 750 units?
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QUOTE(SeanFD2 @ Sep 24 2016, 04:58 PM)
Sorry I a bit confuse on this.

1. If more than 500units, compulsory to built 5% of Rumah Mampu Milk
2. If more than 500 and less than 1000units, compulsory to built 10% Rumah Mampu Milk

If 505 units which one is required? 5% or 10%? 🤔
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Bro, typo error, item 1, if LESS THAN, Then only 5%

Thanks for correction rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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