erm ... juz wanna ask u guys other than Acer and toshiba laptops which have heat issue problems ... wat other laptops have this issue???

I am currently running M100, Duo Core 1.66mhz, 1gb ram, ati x1300, 100gb sata model ...

after using this laptop for a year, i notice it heats up when i am in msia (even using Vantech Lapcool 2... still can sweat due to the heat coming from the laptop...) ... when i am in melb there is no prob due to the cold weather there ... my gf will be buying a laptop real soon and i was wondering if the toshiba A100 Core 2 Duo 4mb Cache laptop heat issue have been solved ...


ooo yeah ... not forgetting ... my toshiba batt life sucks ass !

or can anyone recommend me any laptops which are running Core 2 Duo 4mb cache lappies ?

budget 7k and below, 15" inch minimum ...

thx thx

This post has been edited by jamezco: Jan 29 2007, 11:14 PM

heat = more power consumption = suck ass batt life = C2D procs

to get the best batt life, get Core Solo, which is practically an undervolted proc which runs on the avg of 5W (vs 25-40W for P-M / Turion64)

not the best processing power though. a lil bit slow but gets you through normal office apps

as far as i know, current laptops w dedicated gc but still runs cool is IBM R/T60, but the model sold here is 14" and comes w c2d 1.83ghz 2mb

means the C2D will cause more heating problems and less batt time ??? omg .. i thought they said intel going to fix this thing and stuff .....

i dont mine IBM but the thing is i dont like the screen le ... like so ..... arr how to say ... i prefer the shinny screen one ...

nope. they didn't qutie achieved that yet.

a true mobile proc is the Core Solo, the successor of the previous gen Pentium-m ULV

............... Intel big con man like that ... cis ....

arrr sorry St Fu ... wats the diff wit pentium M and core solo then ?

um... like... um... one is old, and one is new.

new things are always nicer and better than old ones. u get the drift...


[diff core and obviously the name and the logo]

lolz ... alright ... thx for the heads up ... but i think my gf will go for C2D i guess ...

thx

Try ThinkPad bro.. i use it 3 hours+ on my lap with batt.. i barely notice any heat below or above the lappy.. No heat on palm rest area too.. price is sure below 7k

p/s: But if girl use this monster, sure look very ugly and yeah no glossy shining tft

Nice spec come with some sacrifice.. Hot hot hot!

This post has been edited by V3000: Jan 29 2007, 11:54 PM

how about Dell or Compaq?
mind to have a look at it...

ahhhh ... no dell or compaq ... got bad experience ...

it's really a waste for thinkpad not to come out wit glossy tft ... not forgetting the widescreen as well for thinkpads ...

i saw the T60 also... can custom 4mb cache ... ehehe kewl ... but more than 7k though...

ooo yeah ... i manage to reduce a lil bit of heat from my toshiba M100 ...

juz now i opened my vantech lapcool 2 and change the fan sides ... now the fan is sucking the air from the laptop and directing it towards the table ... it used to blow air into the laptop from below last time ... hehehe mange to reduce 2 deg of HDD heat

This post has been edited by jamezco: Jan 30 2007, 12:16 AM

Will a cooling fan help to ease the heating problem that laptop users experience, just to ask?

well it does help a bit ... erm ... can see a diffrence by using SpeedFan ... i leave my PC most of the time ... normally the HDD temp is 48 deg in a normal room temp ... if a laptop cooler is used ... it will reduce the temp by bout 3 deg ...

well that's for me ... i dont know for others...

haha for the thinkpad screen, depends on how u treat it

it was originally designed for business use where it suits for presentation purpose, looks formal, and actually u'll find it's more comfortable to look at for long hours usage, i personally prefer the matte over glossy screen becoz the glass effect really make my eye tire especially in the afternoon :shake:

BUT if u r goin to make it as entertainment machine, it's really sux compare to glossy type, but i'll rather prolong my eyes

Maybe you need to clean up the vent fan area. The dust will block the vent fin and the heat won't decipate fast. That cause the fan always running. Mostly happen after half year plus.
Have you adjust the power managment to 'Alway On'? It will run at max. That will sucks the battery.

If ur planning to stare at the screen for prolonged hours, go with a matte surface instead of a glossy surface for all the reasons stated above.

If ur gf's worried about the looks, check out the Sony Vaios. Fujitsu's pretty good too though a little pricey but it's definitely reliable. I'd never used an IBM before but my sister (she's currently using the T60) has nothing too nice to say about it *shrugs*

looks like someone will need to buy a cooling pad............its normally "ok" effective with cooling pad...so i guess its ok...

Er, just a question but how do we check temperature of our lappies? *g*

I installed the Notebook Hardware Control for the temperature reading.

is it something liked a small screen coming out...it shows all the notebook details
liked ram,memory and etc right?
looking something liked that...is it something liked transparent?
got some wavelength liked the one in the hospital machine...
mind to share the link...if it's allowable here...

u can google NHC but u need .net platform installed first. Other apps like SpeedFan and MB5 also checks the fan, heat and etc

It's free. You can download it for free. It'll be placed at your taskbar.

arr i am already using a vantec lapcool 2 ...

will be going over to low yat later and look for some fujitsu, toshiba or HP i guess ...

....

ok ... new updates ... i manage to bring down a bit of temp by undervolting the laptop ... but then its slow when u need the processing power ...

gayass toshiba ....

...

any idea if Vaio or HP has heating issues ?

This post has been edited by jamezco: Jan 30 2007, 12:31 PM

Might I ask, just what do u people do that makes the lappie overheat?!

is not wat we do..more likely wat manufacture do... some notebook manufacture have bad thermal design...which causing the heat trap inside the notebook...cannot dissipated at high rated...

when talking abt good thermal design...mostly likely IBM win...they didnt suffer any heat issues...kindda agree...last time, i saw IBM notebook use copper heatsink for their procs...which in my opinion better than aluminium...

however, sm manufacture r not good enough...their dedicated gc got heatsink as well but ddint hv any fan to blow off the heat as the heat trap inside...overheating may occur...

this is just an example..
btw, there's a lot of factor for a good thermal design...

This post has been edited by death_nite: Jan 30 2007, 01:38 PM

Yeah, i hate those laptop with gc but only have 1 fan!!! It makes my CPU temp increasing gradually while i'm playing games.$%^& Recently the temp in KL ^&*(^%$$!!!

I guess no matter whatever brand of laptop, always having heat issue too due to design all devices all in 1 at the notebook base.......

Er.. we'll never be satisfied with what we have so go on complaining... go on......

Well, that's human being, isn't it?

jdreamer,
It sure is.... but well, perhaps one thing we ought to learn is to stop complaining too much

aint we a little bit OT now?
btw tinkerbel,
dats wat forum is...
TS open a thread...he wanna noe which notebook suffer heat issue...he will avoiding from buying dat brands...so later he wont b complaining nemore....

btw, if really concern abt the heat, dont take notebook with dedicated gc...

death_nite,
Okies dokies U got a point. I don't want to end up being a spammer. Anyhow, I didn't have any issues when I was using my Fujitsu and I didn't install or get additional fan cooler or whatchamacall those fanciful stuff *g*

Must admit I could hear the fan running when it's been switched on for too long or when I'm 'abusing' the unit with loadsa multi-tasking but otherwise it's perfect. Can't check temperature since I don't have those programs mentioned installed, SoweeZzzZz...

No problems with temperature / heat issues on the MacBook Pro though

dude, they use heatpipes, most notebook use it. i've seen a mac, use 2 tiny fans.
if you want more fan, would use more battery, and space. fans dissipate heat all by itself too. and more noise too. the overall design is whats important.
get a thinkpad, the uber notebook. just a little plain looking, which is intentional.

shirohamada,
Don't u find the ThinkPads a little heavy?!

cheapest thinkpad, r60 is 2.6kg, yes it is kinda heavy. t60 2.4kg, Z.....the price is heavy

fujitsu eh..i nvr heard any heat issues for fujitsu...my fren own 1...quite cool lerr..

yeargh...most notebook use heatpipe...my notebook both heatsink (proc n gc) shared 1 fans...

but do rmmbr some notebook, due to bad design, they hv no space to shared gc heatsink with proc heatsink's fan...

ha but the roll cage inside, heavy a bit is worth

wat u pay is wat u get lor.... but anyway not because of that particular brand give u problem then u will say that brand is bad but if really refer back every of their models, hence we may get good comparison on wat we looking for and also the cons that we may get too, this forum had been helping alot forumers to get wat they looking for and i conclude most of the forumers here and the knowledgeable forumers here had shared best info as they have. im glad to joined this forum.

for heat problems is hard to deny it and it may occurs in anytime and in any places which it also depends. get a aluminium coolpad if the heat really make you uncomfortable.

sorry if i did insult or hurt anyone....thank you

This post has been edited by bobby3006: Jan 30 2007, 07:24 PM

erm.. until now, for my NEC, its quit warm when idle (no air con) and play games.. its going hot, same also in no aircon condition.. for air con condition, u onli can feel the hot air pump by the fan.. for me, it still ok, cuz it come with 2 HOT baby inside...

for Notebook hardware control, there is a personal ver which is free,
http://www.pbus-167.com/nhc/nhc.htm#anchor_download

but before install it, u have to install this 1st,
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...&DisplayLang=en

thats all~

get seperate usb keyboard for gaming.
pro enough to play game on your lap eh?

for your old notebooks, check the vents for dusts.

Dust=enermy=running nose=itchy

That s what i'm doing now man! Bigger keyboard for bigger palm gets better feel in gamming.haah

Ya more fans means more power to consume, normally i won't play games with battery.Noise i don't care i wear earphone.I think it won't be so loud until make others not comfortable .

iYoh.. wanna play game then get a desktop lah..... I don't think a laptop's as good as a desktop when it comes to performance for games, no?

i get notebook wit dedicated GC is because i use loads of photoshop, illus and premier ... and not forgetting once in a while some games ... hehehe ...

ooo yea ... juz now was at lowyat and my gf have decided to get the vaio one ... 2ghz C2D, 120gb, 1gb ram, and dont know wat brand GC ... hopefully no heating probs lo ... so far Fujitsu doesnt have any model with 4mb cache of C2D yet... (said by the ppl working at lowyat) so i guess i have no choice but to go wit either toshiba, Vaio or HP only

thx so much guys for the feedback ... actually i am not complaining as wat some of u guys said juz that i dont wan my gf to get a laptop which has heating issue like mine ma ...

ooo yea ... when using high GC programs or loads of processing programs ... u will suddently hear like a huge fan inside the note book turned on and if u leave ur hand on the left handside of the notebook ... u will feel like the laptop got exhaust heat come out one ... lolz ...

ooo yea ... i am using vantech coolpad d ... was thinking of getting a fan to be put on the side of the laptop one ... cant remember the name but its like Magic written on it ... cost like rm67 bucks from All It ...

btw ... overheating for the laptop does cause the laptop to like spoil or something rite ?

This post has been edited by jamezco: Jan 31 2007, 01:38 AM

IBM Thinkpad is the coolest notebook !!!

For sure ur MOBO sure gone



.
..

Anything and everything that OVERheats sure rosak lah!

Nowaday laptop have this overheat protector and will shut down the power when overheat. This go back to PIII era laptop. So no worry about overheat and use till max.

ozak,
I'm a n00b when it comes to all these but uh, so far the last few lappies I used, other than the 1st one I had was pretty girl, no complains

Your experience already tell you. I ve use many lappies before and never encounter heat issue at all. Sometime just left it on for few days without proper vent. (in the house) I ve see once that my bos Compaq PIII lappies overheat and shutdown itself. Left it cool down and it can run back. Very old lappies.

got question here...what is MOBO...
mind to share...tq...

motherboard

You mean this??

This post has been edited by windvv2005: Jan 31 2007, 12:07 PM

from my previous experiences so far...IBMs have great ventilation. DELL and ACER very very hot....

windvv2005 yup yup ... that one .... will be getting that either today or tomorrow ...

hehehe Vantec + Evercool Magic = Super Chilled Lappie

spent 6k on the lappie so must super sayang it la ... wat to do ... ... cant let it break down rite ... need the lappie to tahan me another 2 years or something then hopefully next time my company will give me a new C2D wit Vista or maybe a Quad Core lappie also would be nice ... hahaha

This post has been edited by jamezco: Jan 31 2007, 02:09 PM

huhu...can tahan 2 years erh...upgrade warranty to 3 years laa..better safe than sorry...

too late to upgrade the warrenty already lo ... my lappie reached 1 year old liao ...

this can fit in any notebook right?
or only specific notebook only?

who would note love a notebook that cost more than rm5k...
take really really good care of it...

ooo....one year already...
what notebook are you using?
maybe by next year can include a notebook in your company's budget...

arrr ... only specific laptops wit the lines one can use ... to check pls visit http://www.evercool.com.tw/products/nb_ma1.htm

i am using the toshiba m100 Core Duo only.... ... I wan C2D wit 4mb Cache

noleh i am still a student now ... so no company to include my lappie budget yet ... hehehe

Now only RM67?? 1 month before i saw it selling at RM79 at All IT.I wish to buy but budget tigh..........

This post has been edited by windvv2005: Feb 1 2007, 12:16 AM

One more things, make sure ur gf does not wear mini-skirt when she used the notebook. Sure hot one. Heh heh heh.....

ooo yah yah ... that one is Rm67 for the evercool one ... there is 2 models ... 1 is with the switch which u can control the power ... then the other which is RM79 which cannot control the power one ...

nolah . she use laptop normally on a table one ...

check the ventilation area of ur lappy. also make sure that its flat. mine is VAIO C-15 series, which is hexagon shape. there's a lil bit angle at the ventilation side. if wanna use have to raise the lappy a lil bit. i checked the ventilation b4 buying, but neva cross my mind bout the angle. now trying to sell back at garage sell.

All IT selling RM69 for magic cooler(the pentagram one), and RM75 for the fairy cooler (the one without control). at least thats the price i saw last tuesday. cheers~

lolz ... totally got all the prices wrong ... thanks so much deed ... oo yah ... my lappie ventilation is flat but then a bit of the top part of the ventilation is closed off ... then will the magic cooler thingy fit the laptop ???

dont worry. the prices keep on changing. some shops selling much higher. can go up to rm80++ i think. the plat that that attached the cooler to the ventilation is only 0.25cm i think. so i guess as long as the ventilation is vertical and flat, it can fit most lappy. actually the cooler is quite good as for most lappy ventilation now is at the side, not at the bottom like previous models. just sad my ventilation is not flat.

This post has been edited by deed: Feb 1 2007, 03:30 AM

actually what u can do is below put a laptop cooler then u can use ur magic cooler lo ...

juz like me

wow..im planing to get the acer lappie with the x1600 ...how is the heat
on this baby?... its is the 5594WXMi..and how do acer lappie's compare with others?

erm ... from what i know is Acer lappie's base is super hot ...

i guess u'll juz have to work wit a cooling pad lo if u are buying acer

what cooling pads are suitable..i mean.. going of topic now...he hehe....
you know the x1600..... the mobile graphic card...which card does it compare to in performance..... is it good?

Anyone use this? Is it good?

x1600 fall under mid/high range gcard....wont recommend acer..especially the 1 come with x1600...alot of user complaint it suffer overheating probs after playing games in 1 hour other brands oso hv x1600 wat...

This post has been edited by death_nite: Feb 1 2007, 05:51 AM

If really want to have a x1600 gc i suggest 15'' and above.More space to help ventilation.If apply some Artic Silver 5 on GC and CPU will be better.It can help a lot.

X1600 should be good i guess ... i am using only X1400 ... so far only use to play Need For Speed Carbon and it looks great ... even better than playing it on the PS2 ...

jdreamer ... will let u know how the evercool score when i get it later ... i think it should be quite good coz its always extracting hot air out from the vent ...

jamezco: Thanks. A review.

sure no prob dude ... by tonight should be in d ...

yeah i know. but i havent bought a bottom cooler yet. thought of using either one lo.

acer 5594WXMi got superb performance + superb heat problem+battery life superb short(when heavy gaming la). Can boil egg on it especially when touch the keyboard.

This post has been edited by tplcaik: Feb 1 2007, 03:50 PM

WAHHH that bad meh ??? can boil egg ???? .... ...

OO GUYS NEW UPDATE ...

Evercool Fairy has drop price to RM59 from RM75 ...
Evercool Magic still the same price at RM69

juz bought Magic and will be testing it now after i set up my gf's new laptop

Make sure you give us a review.

But personally i think cooling pad works better.

yes.. please do.. i planning to get the acer 5594.... good average graphics .... the x1600 up to 512 thingy.....so i guess it must be supa hot la.... hmmm..probably have to use cooling pad and the magic thingy..

I think is 50/50 because the blower is sucking the CPU hot air internally,cooler pad is blowing from external.If got both . If got either 1

aahha...yea.... but if one suck..the other blow...then better right.. more hot air will come out....

aiks...plz dun misunderstand ok...

jamezco.. where are you? How's it....

Ok ... as u can see in this picture... i am using it together with a 2.0 USB hub coz there arent enough USB ports for me ...



this is the vent which blows out hot air and u can really feel it if you leave your left hand on the side of the table ...



attaching the evercool magic



This is the temp for my HDD ... I dont have temp 1 or 2 or what so ever ... no idea why ... i guess Toshiba motherboard very lousy ...



This is how it looks when its fully fixed ...

.........

so what i think of the Evercool Magic? when running it at the max speed which is 3800rpm ... its a noisy as you can hear the fan noise and the air sound .... but at lower speed which is 3000rpm ... it sounds less disturbing ....

Does it really help much ??? i think it does ... when i leave my hand near the blower, i can feel the heat coming out constantly but sometimes its less heat ... it also managed to cool down the lappie HDD to 43 degress now... so i guess its working...

Cooling Pad vs Evercool Magic ...

Its better to go for a Cooling pad because a cooling pad lifts the laptop to a certain angle and the base of the laptop is able to cool down... your RAM, Wireless card, Bluetooth and even the hard disc is located at the base of the laptop so i guess its a better way to cool it using a cooling pad rather than sucking hot air out.......

some cooling pad sucks the air out from the laptop while others blows the air in ... I personally for one prefer the cooling pad to suck the air out from below because if the cooling pad blows the air in ... then heat will rise to the keyboard ...

What proves this theory? Vantech Lapcool 2 is one cooling pad which blows the air in at a high speed of 2600rpm ... and i can feel the heat when i am typing .... so i tried to switch the fans and now the cooling pad is extracting the air out and blows it towards the table ... a lil less heat ....

well i guess that is it kua .... juz ask any questions if u got any ...

nice post bro..... how much are the cooling pads..and is 3600rpm as fast as the fans get? no silent one aR... how bout the duration it lasts.. anyone been using a single cooling pad for more than a year?

i think the fastest cooling pad is the vantech lapcool 2 only lo which is top speed at 2600rpm ... coz i see other cooling pads is like 1500rpm only ... or what u can do is make your own cooling pad also can ...

btw ... i realise that a lot less heat on the laptop d and the HDD temp has dropped to 41 deg ...

btw ... this is all measured in a air con room yea ???

Owh, nice. I think I'll get one too. Thanks!

hmmm i seee...........how much is the vantec thingy.?

i think its bout Rm69 bucks like that ... cant remember the price ... bought it last year ... but i saw it at All IT at lowyat today

cool...still the same price?.... interesting...

yeah!...hoping the same or better cheaper...

i'm using vantec lapcool4 here....bought from lelong fo rm 55. got a single 160mm fan running at 600 rm..quiet and good i think.my HDD temp always below 40 degrees and my CPU stable at 44 degrees

HDD temp below 40 ??? in air con room ? what model and what brand is ur lappie?

no need suprise, my R60 hdd temp 38c n cpu 45c in hot afternoon non air con room without any cooling pad