Hi guys, I wonder if all the courses in TAR College are recognized by JPA? Help me out. Thanx.

tarc is condesidered as IPTA actually.... so i think they are recognized by jpa... tatz y we can hv stpm here...

I'm TAR College student.
TarC is considers IPTA and it only certain course recognize by JPA and some of them is recognize by BC.

This post has been edited by WingKalimdor: Jan 30 2007, 08:18 AM

If you all check carefully the TAR's staff website.You could see lots of academic inbreeding happenings there.

http://www.tarc.edu.my/staff/staff_st.htm

1st example: ex-TARCians with Campbell qualifications becoming lecturers to support and teach Campbell degree programs.

2nd example: head of microelectronics,extra-mural and Perak campus branch head, all have one thing in common: Phd(Exe). What a nice coincidences!!

So if this is not a case of money buying PhDs through long-distance programme, then I don't know what else is.

As usual, TARC for being closely associated with political party MCA, the Malaysian Government, of course, will close both eyes!!!

Good luck to those going to TARC, choose your courses carefully!!!

This post has been edited by Gamgee: Jan 30 2007, 09:03 AM

I am ex- Tarcian here !! can confirm TARC is IPTA ??

I thought TARC is IPTS when apply for PTPTN a few years back. Confused

I always told my friends I m studying in a private college. That means I m lieing all these years I should told that I m studying in a public college.

-IPTS is Institusi Pengajian Tinggi Swasta like Lim Kok Wing, Sunway that charge in very high fee.

Fee around 2-3k per month

-IPTA is Institusi Pengajian Tinggi Awam that is half supported by goverment like Tunku Abdul Rahman College , Kolej Yayasan Selangor , and etc.

If you are ex-Tarcian you should know that out fee per semester is around 1k+ except semester 3 and 6

This post has been edited by WingKalimdor: Jan 30 2007, 01:17 PM

Ok, thanks

TARC where got recognised by JPA.....

TARC is Not a IPTA. It's an IPTS. It's not funded by the government. It's privately owned by MCA, a political component party.

Only IPTS programmes that are accredited by LAN are recognised by JPA. Currently, level of accreditation is only at about 30% of approved courses being run at existing active IPTSs.

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Added on January 30, 2007, 7:15 pmFees charged is NEVER an indication of whether a higher learning institution is IPTA or IPTS. Fees can be low if they are sponsored or funded.

IPTA fees are low because they are funded by the government. TARC fees are low because MCA (NOT the government, but a political component party) doesn't want to make a lot of money but want to introduce affordable programmes for the chinese.

For a list of IPTAs, just visit the ministry of higher education website: http://www.mohe.gov.my/info_kpt_senarai.ph...&subcode=SUB001
There are 19 IPTAs (excluding community colleges).

TARC and UTAR are listed among 553 IPTS in the country. Check this out: http://www.phed.gov.my/Services/Search_Ins...&subcode=SUB002

Am surprised at the low level of research abilities of TAR graduates and awareness of what constitute and IPTA/ IPTS. *sigh*




This post has been edited by Teong: Jan 30 2007, 07:15 PM

from wat i heard, tarc is IPTA. so the courses here don need accreditation from LAN. LAN is only for IPTS right?

TARC is an IPTS. To be recognised by JPA, the diplomas (at TARC) and degrees (at UTAR) must be accredited by LAN.

Surprise...surprise!! not many programmes at TARC or UTAR is accredited. They only have approval of minimum standard. This means that they are not recognised by JPA.

Only 199 of 533 IPTS have courses that are accredited by LAN. AND TARC is NOT one of them (however, UTAR is).

Check out this link for list of courses at accredited by LAN: http://www.lan.gov.my/english/index2eng.htm

Another surprise is that UTAR only has 11 courses accredited (including 1 at their Setapak campus) out of the over 50 degree programmes on offer. That's less than 20% accredited and hence recognised by JPA.

Just check out www.utar.edu.my and roam under academic> faculty.
Look for the LAN codes. A = accredited; KA = not accredited but had been submitted for approval; KN = submitted just for approval. The last few digits are the date when the course approval expires 5/07 means expiry in may 2007.

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Added on January 30, 2007, 7:36 pmJust check out the LAN website www.lan.gov.my and Ministry website www.mohe.gov.my.

It's 100% confirmed that TARC and UTAR are NOT IPTAs. They need accreditation and approval from LAN and the Ministry. That's why when you check the UTAR website or TAR website, they include the JPS and LAN codes.

I've copied and attached a sample here from utar website:

Courses Offered
Bachelor of Arts (Hons) Graphic Design and Multimedia
KP/JPS(KA7217) 7/11

Bachelor of Arts (Hons) Chinese Studies
KP/JPS(KN3339) 5/07

Bachelor of Arts (Hons) English Language
KP/JPS(KA5857) 2/10

Let me teach you how to read these codes:
KP = Kementerian Pengajian Tinggi
JPS = Jabatan Pendidikan Swasta (which means UTAR is IPTS = "swasta")
KA number = submitted for accreditation but NOT YET received accreditation
2/10 = approval expires in february 2010.

Sorry to tell you, my friend. What you heard is wrong.

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Added on January 30, 2007, 7:38 pmAnother indication of whether an institution is an IPTS or IPTA is the mode of application.

For entry into IPTA: you need to fill-in the "UPU form" and get it processed by BPKP.

For IPTS, you just call and the marketing people will enroll you.

This post has been edited by Teong: Jan 30 2007, 07:38 PM

all education courses have to be accredited by LAN, regardless of IPT status. new courses must get recognition and accreditation from LAN, and courses that have already obtained accreditation MUST be reaccredited every 5 years. it's technically hard to fall out of accreditation if the IPT maintains the level of standard they used during the first accreditation, but these things do happen.

lol, thx pals.. gotta move my @rse from here ASAP

wait wait wait
I took my a-level in TARC without doing LAN studies, that's 100% true. This is getting confusing

But what see from TARC website is that they claims that the College is 50% subsidised by the Government for all its recurrent and capital expenditure. please check from this link.

http://www.tarc.edu.my/about/abt_overview.htm

And if i am not mistaken, PTPTN will not give loan to students which are not recognixe by the goverment that's why ADvance Diploma students in TARC are not eligible to apply PTPTN. Correct me if I am wrong I am only assuming.

This post has been edited by soyasos: Jan 30 2007, 11:39 PM

I ady knew TARC n UTAR cant get those accreditation by JPA....there are some politics involved why both IPTS (only today i knew TARC is IPTS though im studying there now...)...but when u ask the mgmt why we cant get the accreditation after so long....no satisfactory ans given....

Now Tarc is combination between MCA and goverment.It mean can be both IPTA and IPTS(not very sure because principle of TARC and president of MCA say that TARC is IPTA).Regarding the LAN it didn't apply on diploma level and it only apply in advanced above.

This is not a coincidences. They all enrolled the PhD course at the same time and money buying PhD doesn't need 4-6 years to obtain the qualification. BTW, this is not a long-distance programme as they need to travel to UK to see their supervisor.

Becareful (or be responsible) with the stuffs you typed. Maybe you can say whatever you like for Diploma, Adv Diploma, Bachelor's Degree or to some extent, Master's Degree but not PhD, show some respect will'ya? Oh ya, do you know what does PhD(Exe) means at the first place?

This post has been edited by kimhoong: Jan 31 2007, 11:17 AM

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This post has been edited by vikingw2k: Jan 31 2007, 11:17 AM

What i'm trying to express is their PhD qualification was not associated with money-buying which is claim by by Gamgee . I did respect them as it take 4-6 years of hardworking to obtain it.

Can't get accreditation because they are not up to the mark...or didn't submit for accreditation....or does not have the students to submit for accreditation......or didn't comply with LAN requirements when they feedback. Many things can happen.

The process of accreditation is pretty tough. LAN will only recommend to MOHE to provide minimum standard to run the programme once it's approved. Accreditation can only be obtained once the IPTS recruits students and they eventually graduate (go through one full cycle). LAN will come in for audit..speak to students, check on facilities, conduct interviews, check on attendance and the systems, etc.

Many hiccups can get in the way for a below-par institution.

Check out this link about UTAR and TARC being below par by Tony Pua:
http://educationmalaysia.blogspot.com/2006...t-too-soon.html

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Added on January 31, 2007, 2:38 pmAny higher learning institute can offer STPM. STPM is only a certificate level qualification, and you don't need an IPTS license to offer. Just an IPS (institut pengajian swasta) license will do.

There are tonnes of tuition centres, and private schools offering STPM la. C'mon KDU started off giving tuition for STPM, and so did Goon Institut, before they progressed to College status.

Offering STPM does not make you an IPTA!!! Being owned and funded by the government does. To get into IPTA, you need to apply through the Ministry through UPU (BPKP).


This post has been edited by Teong: Jan 31 2007, 02:38 PM

Maybe I got twisted with the language there, accept my apology. Disrespecting one's qualification (high ones especially) without fact/evidence is a BIG offence for me.


I guess I never really say a word about this thread. No matter it's JPA or LAN accreditation, I'm confident to say that TARC graduates are well accepted in the working industry. I conclude this with 2 reasons: 1. The history of TARC that has been producing a lot of high-achieving workforces and 2. Because of this, many people in the working industry are TARC graduates which makes TARC graduates more accepted.

and back to TS's concern, it really doesn't matter where you are going to study at. The most important part always lies on you, yourself. Just enroll to a well accepted institution and gain as much knowledge you can; and I'm sure you are on your way to success after graduation.

I'm off from this thread. Shall there be any reasons for me to come back, PM me. Good day.

bro, UTAR offers new courses and every year and each new course alone requires a few years to be accredited by LAN.

as what you've mentioned, 11/50 courses accredited today, 50/80 courses accredited maybe 10 years later.

got my point?

you are utterly wrong there, my friend.
LAN officers will be visiting my campus in the next 2 weeks. so yeah, if everything goes smooth, more courses will be accredited this year.

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Added on January 31, 2007, 4:28 pmand there is no such thing that is related to politics here.

This post has been edited by ahtiven: Jan 31 2007, 04:28 PM

i'm wondering

per my interview with one of the head of TARC branch,
he did mentioned that TARC is IPTA, while UTAR is IPTS.......
TARC is directly under the MOHE (Ministry of Higher Education)
however, it doesn't APPEARED in the website.

btw, courses offered by UTAR [IPTS] need to be accredited by LAN while the same R&R doesn't apply on TARC courses.


per my understanding with the LAN's rules,
any course that approved by LAN and conducted by ITPS must have the 3 LAN subjects: BM/Moral/Sejarah; all unit code with LAN xxxx

while the above rule doesn't apply on IPTA, b'coz their under goverment education department.... such as Local Uni/TARC, you won't find the subject code "LAN xxxx" in these U/C.


one more thing, after u grad in TARC, MOHE will require you to fill in a set of "Graduation Form",
asking where'll u go/futher study/working/.............
now they even stricten the rule, if you don't fill in, the authority have the rights to pull back your degree/diploma

I believe this only applicable to the U/C under MOHE

i think, in the context of the discussion, it doesnt really matter if it's IPTS or IPTA.



nope. ALL education courses are subject to LAN's accreditation, regardless of IPTA or IPTS. same rules apply.



sorry, wrong again. in IPTA's it's called "Subjek Universiti", a requirement of about 12-14 credits to be taken for the entire course. subjects are similar if not more (kenegaraan, pengajian islam, tamadun islam, sosio-politik etc). it is also labeled differently, for example in UTM, u have "UHI 2012" for subject pengajian islam, semester 1, credits 2.

This post has been edited by azarimy: Jan 31 2007, 06:15 PM

Ok guys, I went to ask TAR College's Students Affairs Officer and she confirmed that TARC is an IPTA. I am surprised though. Thanks for all your comments.

regardless of TARC being an IPTA or IPTS all their courses offered are not recgnised by LAN. Specifically, TARC is about 50-50....UTAR on the other hand is IPTS

yes,kimhoong,please explain what does phd(Exe) means actually??

come on, just do a rough figures on how many TARCians, considering more than three decades since early 1970s, spends money, paying to the Americans and the British through Campbell degree programs, ACCA and also those top-up summer program in UK for SOT students.

All these $$money$$ that pumped into the foreigners (Americans, British and maybe even the Australians) could easily be used to "pass" those ex-TARCians (management staff in TARC) or open an education route for them to enroll in some unknown British university and then have their UK supervisors stationed there to put on a show that they are truly hardworking and ,oh!!! after 4-6 years of toiling!!,presto!!!, award them their PhDs.

Why??The reason is real obvious , TARC is just a money pipelines for foreigners to suck and suck ringgit out of Malaysia's economy into their pockets.

In order to protect these pipelines, the TARC management staff need to consolidate their position among the Malaysian Chinese communities and they need some academics credibilities for parade, hence all those education sponsorship/scholarship routes within TARC management staff (whose loyalty goes all the way to some big shot MCA politicians).

A typical case of Americans-British and certain Malaysian Chinese conniving, colluding and conspiring to cheat and deceive Malaysians' parents.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me!!!

PhD(Exe) mean PhD from University of Exeter. Does University of Exeter is an unknown British University? Beside TARC, Segi, Informatic and APIIT have collaboration with UK university. Does they building the same pipeline that you claimed?

[quote=ahtiven,Jan 31 2007, 04:26 PM]
bro, UTAR offers new courses and every year and each new course alone requires a few years to be accredited by LAN.

as what you've mentioned, 11/50 courses accredited today, 50/80 courses accredited maybe 10 years later.

got my point?
you are utterly wrong there, my friend.
LAN officers will be visiting my campus in the next 2 weeks. so yeah, if everything goes smooth, more courses will be accredited this year.

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MY REPLY: You missed my point altogether. I wasn't referring to the process of getting accreditation.

I was getting at the fact that only 11 courses are accredited, which means that PTPTN loans are not available to students who are interested to sign-up for the other programmes immediately or within the next few months, at least.

Good luck for the LAN visit. But then again, accreditation is awarded based on individual campuses. Which means, if the Setapak or PJ or KL campus obtains accreditation now, it doesn't follow that the upcoming main campus will be accredited too. A shortcut would be for the management of UTAR to physically transfer the license of the branch campus to the main campus.
If not, the main campus will have to apply fresh and wait for another few rounds to obtain accreditation.

That's the current system with MOHE, unless Prof. Mahani gets her way and rush those rules through the proper channels (parliament, cabinet, etc.).

any source or evidence to support ur statement?

if there is any evidence to support, do you think that those ppl will still get away with it ??? hehehehe... Gamgee shud put disclaimers on his posts....

Thats means u are also scoring or criticizing our government on giving JPA scholarship for top SPM students to study in overseas??A money pipelines for foreigners to suck and suck ringgit out of Malaysia's economy into their pockets

The last part, I don't know what u are talking about?? Most (if not all) colleges provides twinning programme/top up programme. Whats wrong with that ??
I think u are just being jealous!!

TARC got alot gangster is what i know because
when 1st time i walk in the sch look like gangster sch..
all the A2A9 wearing like dont know what...
izzit the sch diciplin cannot control?

Culture shock?
Nobody cares what you wear in college or what you look like. Don't be surprise if one of those 'gangster' is a top student.

I already mention TARC is IPTA at first page.It is combination between MCA and government.


Which branch you mean?
It doesn't happen to the main branches at KL just people more to fashion and trend in their study but they did get the good result.

main branches ?? = Main Campus ?

This post has been edited by Irresistible: Feb 9 2007, 01:31 PM

Main campus at KL ..
Near JLN genting Klang...or JLN Malinja

Is TARC IPTA or IPTS ?? Any evidence to prove ??

Because I will attend an Interview for government post. I got my Diploma in TARC.



This post has been edited by moon yuen: May 2 2009, 12:25 PM

No, not recognised.