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BorneoAlliance
post Oct 3 2016, 12:59 PM

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Chinese military adviser says Singapore should 'pay the price' in South China Sea spat

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Beijing should make Singapore "pay the price for seriously damaging China's interests" with retaliations and sanctions, an influential Chinese military advisor has said.

Professor Jin Yinan, of the Public Liberation Army's National Defence University, made the remarks on Chinese-state radio on Thursday (29 September), reported the South China Morning Post.

The statement is the latest offensive in an on-going war of words over the South China Sea dispute after the Global Times, a Chinese newspaper, reported that Singapore endorsed the Philippines' case to bring international arbitration against China.

Speaking on China National Radio, the SCMP reported that Yinan said: "It's inevitable for China to strike back at Singapore, and not just on the public opinion front.

"Since Singapore has gone thus far, we have got to do something, be it retaliation or sanction. We must express our discontent."

Singapore allegedly lodged the claims against China at the latest summit of the Non-Aligned Movement in Venezuela.
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post Oct 3 2016, 02:40 PM

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post Oct 3 2016, 03:29 PM

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Johor is so near to Spore, you don't need long range. Also the Hamas and Hezbollah has managed to extend the range further than artillery thanks to Iranian help. These mobile rockets can be launch anywhere carried by donkeys, so hard to detect.

This is precisely what I am saying the advantage we have over Spore, if they want to launch air strikes sure would incur civilian casualties in which can make more noise to UN. Then if they were to occupy the stretch of land buffer to prevent rocket attacks, still can launch guerilla attacks like what Hezbollah did to Israel.
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The rockets which have longer range are also more expensive. Forget about any kind of guidance too. The one who would be incurring civilian casualties and become the UN's enemy would be us, if we choose to hide in Johor Bahru and bombard their cities rolleyes.gif

Inb4 5,000 Johor commandoes inkambing
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post Oct 3 2016, 03:44 PM

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I tot 5000 Johor commando for show only?

Their combat ability should be greatly reduced since they left active duty right?

My take on mas vs sg

It'll be a war on attrition (looking from the fact sg is the aggressor la)

We will probably suffer heavy tech losses from sg bombardment, but as defender, we would bleed them with guerilla warfare over vital resources they've captured.

On top of that, as defender, we can make a lot of noise to UN thus limiting US involvement, on top of indon would probably provide assistant in blockading all port and sea way.

China probably would want to get involve as local regional 'policeman' and who's side China is on is vital! And we will not be able to predict that.

The only scary part is when sg + indon as aggressor, then we definitely will loss Borneo, and sea blockade for aid to us.

Then really Balik tongsan d
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post Oct 3 2016, 03:51 PM

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looks like after lcs (littoral combat ship) project the navy will have the lms (littoral mission ship) project
as always partnership with foreign builder and locally built like the lcs project
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post Oct 3 2016, 04:25 PM

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post Oct 3 2016, 05:15 PM

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post Oct 3 2016, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(dangerminimouse @ Oct 3 2016, 04:25 PM)
No need guidance, the whole Singapore is so compact. The germans when they struck London in WW2, they didn't need guidance because London is so big they knew it would hit anywhere.

The rockets would only be fired if attack by their F-15 and F-16s. So no need to just shoot out of the blue. Got good reason for retaliation.
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since we've decided to kill women and children then have you considered the UN response?
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post Oct 3 2016, 06:58 PM

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The CIA’s Legendary Blackbird Was Actually the First Stealth Warplane

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In 35 years of military and CIA service, the Blackbird became legendary for its blistering top speed and sinister appearance. But a just-released, formerly top-secret official CIA history underscores the Blackbird’s lesser-known but equally important accomplishment.

In addition to being really, really fast, the Blackbird was also the world’s first operational stealth warplane—an honorific that most historians currently reserve for the 1980s-vintage F-117.
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The Blackbird’s stealth qualities took shape at a secret base in Nevada that would come to be known as Area 51. A small team of engineers tweaked and tested the spy plane’s radar-reflectivity, pursuing the two main principles of stealthiness—materials and shaping.
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“The airframe areas giving the greatest radar return were the vertical tail, the inlet and the forward side of the engine nacelles,” the CIA noted. “An improvement in the chine [the side edge of the plane’s fuselage] and wing regions was also being looked at.” The engineers experimented with new ceramic materials with high degrees of magnetic permeability and low conductivity, meaning they can suck up electromagnetic energy such as radar.
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The results were… disappointing. The Blackbird was a stealth jet. But it wasn’t as stealthy as the military and CIA had hoped it would be. “Enemy radar tracking was reported on all but four missions,” the agency admitted. Communist forces launched eight surface-to-air missiles at the Blackbirds. Seven missed. One exploding missile apparently managed to nick a Blackbird with a small metal fragment.
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Washington banned Blackbirds from flying directly over hostile territory unless they were assisted by electronic radar-jamming. But that doesn’t mean the Blackbird failed as a stealth plane.
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Indeed, the Mach-3 spy jet helped the Air Force and CIA to appreciate an important truth. Stealth alone can’t protect any plane. “There is no silver bullet,” Col. Alex Grynkewich, the Air Force officer heading the flying branch’s concept-development for its next stealth fighter, said… in 2016.
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Which is why today’s F-22 and F-35 stealth fighters are also heavily armed and supersonic. And why the Air Force’s current B-2 stealth bombers usually attack their targets in concert with other warplanes, cruise missiles, and plenty of electronic jamming.


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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Oct 3 2016, 03:29 PM)
Lolwut

The rockets which have longer range are also more expensive. Forget about any kind of guidance too. The one who would be incurring civilian casualties and become the UN's enemy would be us, if we choose to hide in Johor Bahru and bombard their cities rolleyes.gif

Inb4 5,000 Johor commandoes inkambing
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I see a higher chance that Malaysia and Singapore will work together to fight China in south China sea than a Singapore Vs Malaysia war

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post Oct 3 2016, 07:18 PM

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Colombia’s AC-47T Fantasmas Are Still Going Strong

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Seventy years after their heyday, World War II cargo planes are patrolling the skies over Colombia’s vast jungles. The AC-47T Fantasma is equipped with infrared sensors to scan the jungles below — and also packs three side-mounted .50-caliber Gatling guns.
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Under Project Talechaser, the Air Force fitted a C-47D with three M134 7.62-millimeter mini-guns — multi-barrel, Gatling-style weapons that could fire up to 6,000 rounds a minute. Even though they generally shot in shorter bursts to conserve ammunition, the sheer density of firepower they put out made them a devastating weapon. The “gunships” would orbit the battle area, banking at a 25-degree angle to keep its guns in line with the target.
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To avoid ground fire, the AC-47s primarily flew at night — and thus earned the appellation “Spooky.” During the first several years of U.S. involvement in Vietnam, at least one AC-47 remained airborne at all times, ready to come to the defense of any isolated outposts that came under Viet Cong attack.
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The United States passed AC-47s to various Southeast Asian countries, where they continued to see action. Taiwan and Indonesia improved their own AC-47s, the latter using them to strafe East Timor. South Africa also created its own variant armed with 20-millimeter cannons.
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After the U.S. turned down Colombia’s request for AC-130 gunships, in 1993 the Colombian military sent the first of seven AC-47s to the Basler Turbo company in Oshkosh, Wisconsin for modernization to the BT-67 standard. The cost — $5 million per plane
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The Colombian military also fitted the AC-47s with a forward-looking infrared sensor pod under the cockpit. The upgraded gunships were christened “AC-47Ts.”
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Over time, some if not all of the Fantasmas received night-vision-goggle-compatible cockpits, targeting computers and upgraded weapons, including GAU-19 .50-caliber triple-barrel Gatling guns firing at a rate of up to 2,000 rounds per minute. At least one Fantasma mounts a 20-millimeter cannon.
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The Fantasmas typically fly with a crew of seven — a pilot, co-pilot, navigator, engineer and three gunners. They can remain aloft for up to 10 hours at a time as they observe the jungle, coordinate friendly aircraft, and provide fire support for troops on the ground. The Fantasma’s engines are frequently described as being remarkably quiet — allowing them to approach their targets unaware and unleash their terrifying firepower as a surprise.
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On Nov. 1, 1998, more than 1,300 FARC guerillas led by Mono Jojoy infiltrated Mitú, the state capital of Vaupés, an isolated state on the Brazilian border lacking road links to the rest of Colombia. The FARC laid siege to the police headquarters, killing 60 of the 120 officers there and kidnapping more than 80 officials including a general.
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A single AC-47 and two Bronco attack planes were the first government reinforcements on the scene. They struck targets in the city center to support the beleaguered police holdouts.
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As night fell, an AC-47 dropped flares to guide additional helicopters deploying troops to Querari. While launching the flares, the Fantasma crew detected a column of guerilla fighters approaching the area — and gunned down many of them.
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Mitú came back under government control soon thereafter. And in the following years, Fantasmas continued to serve as a fast-reaction force for besieged towns and outposts. One video from 2002 depicts policemen, pinned down by rebel fire in San Pablo, watching as a Fantasma rakes the surrounding hills with its guns.
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Low-flying Fantasmas would rake the target area after the initial bombardment, “shooting the wounded trying to go for cover,” The Washington Post reported. Finally, Blackhawks would deploy troops to mop up the survivors.
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Starting in 2008, the Colombian military targeted FARC’s leadership from the air. Three top rebel leaders and 42 mid-level commanders were killed between 2008 and 2013. The Fantasma gunships, directing attacks by Super Tucanos and Dragonfly attack planes, were key assets in the campaign.


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post Oct 3 2016, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(AxeFire @ Oct 3 2016, 07:02 PM)
I see a higher chance that Malaysia and Singapore will work together to fight China in south China sea than a Singapore Vs Malaysia war
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Or against the Indons rolleyes.gif neither country has much more than a self defence capability lah, no matter what military hawks on either side believe whistling.gif

But its illuminating to see some of our people so inspired by terrorists who deliberately target civilians, and even more amusing to see they are the same ones bleating about civilian casualties inflicted by the other side whistling.gif

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post Oct 3 2016, 08:44 PM

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wei2 no name calling whatever country
keep the tered civil pls

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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Oct 3 2016, 08:41 PM)
Or against the Indons rolleyes.gif neither country has much more than a self defence capability lah, no matter what military hawks on either side believe whistling.gif

But its illuminating to see some of our people so inspired by terrorists who deliberately target civilians, and even more amusing to see they are the same ones bleating about civilian casualties inflicted by the other side whistling.gif
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Inb4 SG no civilians, only nsman, nswoman, and nschild. laugh.gif
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post Oct 3 2016, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Oct 2 2016, 11:34 AM)
kr/ns is nuthin compared to pkbm
5 years of enlistment (form 1 - form 5)
got to learn and use rifle
annual national camping & competition
trained by active duty soldiers

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QUOTE(sukhoi35mk @ Oct 2 2016, 11:51 PM)
my school cadet was under Rejimen Ke-2 Kor Armor Diraja..... almost every weeks has to go back to school to learn kawat and basic military stuff..... everyone will get 2 sets of uniform.... makan minum and transport all covered by Kor Armor.... they send army truck to pick us to camp and once a while they will send us back to school in armored vehicles... so, naik Samba and congo like naik bas that time.... we have chance to touch and feel all sort of weapons from 9mm to FN MAG... but M16A1 is the one we used the most...kawat also using it.. while in camp, during break time...we can chat with abang abang there and we can panjat any armored vechiles at Rejimen Ke-2 Armor Diraja... 

once awhile also we will train with Afats (Armed Force Apprentice Trade School).... 

i will not say it is sort of enlistment like askar wataniah... more like school curriculum whereby ppl can pull out anytime...  my school has PKBM (Pasukan Kadat Bersatu Malaysia), another high school is Kadet Polis.....
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u gais went through 5 years of PKBM..? walao ohmy.gif

I only sempat 2 years Form 4-Form 5...sad only got rank Prebet..was not a very competent and a fit recruit.. sad.gif

but great experience, trained by the elite 10 Briged Para themselves at Kem Sungai Udang.. rclxm9.gif rclxm9.gif got one sniper dude from PANDURA, so cool train us..doesn't yell, treat us like his lil bros.. cry.gif

after M16 shooting training, those troops decided to give us a lil marksman show... 5 metal plates each team, he + 4 paratroop vs another group of 5 regular paratroopers...he alone accurately shot 4 out of 5 metal plates for his team.. 30 seconds later only the other team manage to shoot down their plates..dayum.. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

but sadly kenot jump on an airplane too lulz..jelez of u sukhoi35mk cry.gif can ride armor...me only get on 3 ton lorry...and only shoot 21 rounds in M16... cry.gif cry.gif
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Singapore Eyes F-35 for 2030 Timeframe

By: Aaron Mehta, October 3, 2016

HICKAM AIR FORCE BASE, Honolulu — Singapore remains interested in the F-35 joint strike fighter, but does not expect to procure the fifth-generation jet until the 2030 timeframe, Defense Minister Ng Eng Hen said Sept. 30.

“The F-35s are considered form a timeframe of 2030 and beyond for our defense needs, and in that light we are not in a hurry and we are still evaluating,” Ng said here following a meeting of the ASEAN defense ministers. “It’s a good plane, but our needs aren’t so urgent at this point and time.”

Singapore has long been linked to the F-35 program, and in February 2015 Joint Program Office head Lt. Gen. Chris Bogdan said he believed the country has “begun to take the next step toward making a decision.”

But since then, there has been little visible movement from Singapore towards procuring the jet. It is also unclear what variant of the jet the country might eventually seek to buy.

Ng believes his country’s crop of F-15s and F-16s will “last us well into the next one or two decades.” In December, Lockheed Martin obtained a $914 million contract to upgrade Singapore’s 60 plane F-16 fleet, with work occurring through 2023.

Asked if there was a geopolitical situation in the region that could spur the country to speed up a procurement decision on the jet, especially given the turmoil in the South China Sea, Ng replied confidently that the current plan is the right one.

“It will not be influenced by what happens in the south china sea, nor China’s military might,” he said. “We’ve acknowledged China is a military power. It is really dictated by what we feel is our needs, as well as how we can contribute to defense globally.”
http://www.defensenews.com/articles/singap...-2030-timeframe


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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Oct 3 2016, 09:03 PM)
u gais went through 5 years of PKBM..? walao  ohmy.gif
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no lah i dun got join them (ima in pbsm)
but some /ktard here apparently did
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QUOTE(azriel @ Oct 3 2016, 09:39 PM)
SG no $ to buy, 95% of budget goes to operational expenses. biggrin.gif
http://www.janes.com/article/59081/singapo...gd13-97-billion
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What a Navy Ship's Last-Ditch Defense Looks Like



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More than 70 years later and chaff is still being used. In the video above the German frigate Karlsruhe fires off its Super Rapid Bloom Offboard Countermeasures Chaff and Decoy System—mercifully shortened to SRBOC.

SRBOC is a system of launcher tubes on both the port and starboard, each tube set at a slightly different angle so at least one is covering every position of the ship. Once fired, they create a new fake "ship" for the incoming missile, confusing it, and hopefully improving the defender's odds of survival. SRBOC uses aluminum-coated glass fibers that linger in the air longer instead of aluminum strips.

All modern navies have a countermeasures system similar to SRBOC. Some simply launch chaff, but the Karlsruhe appears to also have the TORCH infrared decoy system for fooling infra-red guided missiles hunting for its smokestack.

Here's a video of the US Navy destroyer USS McCampbell firing SRBOC in daytime. It's not as impressive, but does show the mortar-like launcher chugging away.


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QUOTE(dangerminimouse @ Oct 3 2016, 06:25 PM)
No need guidance, the whole Singapore is so compact. The germans when they struck London in WW2, they didn't need guidance because London is so big they knew it would hit anywhere.

The rockets would only be fired if attack by their F-15 and F-16s. So no need to just shoot out of the blue. Got good reason for retaliation.
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https://www.mindef.gov.sg/content/dam/imind....compressed.pdf

QUOTE(AxeFire @ Oct 3 2016, 09:02 PM)
I see a higher chance that Malaysia and Singapore will work together to fight China in south China sea than a Singapore Vs Malaysia war
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nah, singkie will just stay neutral and be like switzerland while the rest of asean burns.. all the rich businessman will run and bring their $$$ to sg... just like how the swiss was in ww2

QUOTE(mcnoodle @ Oct 3 2016, 11:50 PM)
SG no $ to buy,  95% of budget goes to operational expenses. biggrin.gif
http://www.janes.com/article/59081/singapo...gd13-97-billion
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