Why pay extra fees for an index fund?
Invest straight into the index, S&P, Dow, etc through your broker.
It's proven that the index has beaten most of the hedge funds in returns.
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Sep 14 2016, 02:23 AM
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Why pay extra fees for an index fund?
Invest straight into the index, S&P, Dow, etc through your broker. It's proven that the index has beaten most of the hedge funds in returns. |
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Sep 14 2016, 04:43 PM
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QUOTE(mapeyeo1 @ Sep 14 2016, 07:52 AM) but if i invest straight into the index, will i have the diversification level as what the index fund provides? and do i need to rebalance my portfolio itself? An index is already a diversification in itself because it consists of many stocks. yea i know index has beaten most of the hedge funds and mutual funds most of the time after comparing costs, thats why im into passive investing first You have to diversify yourself into other indices/bonds/ETFs, etc. Especially the emerging markets, very good return. The only thing you need to fear is when the market crashes. Sometimes it takes a long time for the market to recover. It's good if you have a stoploss. On where, when and how to place it is a little bit complicated. |
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Sep 16 2016, 07:56 PM
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QUOTE(mapeyeo1 @ Sep 16 2016, 12:00 AM) sorry if i quote again the same thing cuz i have another question regarding ur statement, anyway since investing in index fund means the diversification is there and i wont be doing the portfolio rebalancing , but if i invest straight into the index such as S&P, Dow, etc, i have to allocate how many portion of my money to which sectors myself, right? wont that be more troublesome as i can invest in index fund and the yearly expense might not exceed 1% itself? If you find it difficult to dissect, then I think index fund is for you, considering the fact that the fee is lower than 1%. If you have a 100K, are you ready to pay 1K for the fee? Is it annually? If you manually invest, in S&P index for example, you only pay about 500, once. |
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Sep 17 2016, 03:53 AM
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 16 2016, 09:08 PM) er.. ETFs do charge yearly fees but it's minute comparatively to local mutual funds' Well, you have not incorporate the spread.http://etfdb.com/2013/complete-history-of-spy/ http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/money/perfi...-etf-fees_N.htm http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/nn/art...hey-Really-Cost |
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Sep 18 2016, 08:21 PM
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 18 2016, 10:37 AM) er.. based on 1 or 0, there IS or NO management fees & other costs charged in ETFs? If you have trade ETFs before you will know that the fees are separated from the spread. Whether it is incorporated into the spread or not does not matter as others will argue the mutual funds' costs are incorporated into the NAV daily. |
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Sep 18 2016, 08:24 PM
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 18 2016, 12:00 PM) I'm pretty sure this idea came about cos someone read an online article about why index investing is better than buying mutual funds, or that Warrant Buffet recommends it. However .... I hope TS is aware that MYR is near its all time weakest, whilst S&P, DJIA and RUT are near all time highs. QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 18 2016, 01:17 PM) These people see some ang-moh or mat-salleh write some stuff and goes jerk-off. Become an instant fan-boyz! Xuzen Question: Why in Malaysia fund like Kenanga Growth Fund can beat the index or benchmark year in year out for the past ten years? Answer: Semi strong market hypothesis Secondly, nobody knows where the top or bottom of the market is, not even Warren Buffet or George Soros. If you know, you could be the richest man in no time. |
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Sep 20 2016, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE(lukenn @ Sep 19 2016, 11:55 PM) I am not bothered if you are going to response to my comments either. I am just correcting your mistakes hoping it does not lead new investors into believing something which is wrong. Your claims are just like some so called 'market gurus' or some 'economists' who know where the market tops or bottoms are. |
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Sep 25 2016, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Sep 25 2016, 09:36 PM) It has been pointed out that US index funds beat most of the actively managed funds. Self fulfilling prophecy.However, in the following article, the author warns: http://www.kiplinger.com/article/investing...-opportuni.html If what the author says is correct, then we can explain why US index funds outperform majority of the actively managed funds with the diagram attached. Now, the question: Why do many Malaysia mutual funds beat their benchmarks? That is probably because not many investors buy Malaysian ETFs, thereby not able to push up the prices of the component stocks. (see post #13) Of course, ignorant Westerners would think that internet access in emerging markets is very limited, and that information is disseminated much more slowly. As a result, Efficient Market Hypothesis doesn't hold true here as in developed markets This post has been edited by troller2: Sep 25 2016, 10:25 PM |
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