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HLA : Prime Wealth, Not so bad?
HLA : Prime Wealth, Not so bad?
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Sep 7 2016, 10:58 PM
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MeToo if u r looking on returns and if you can "force" urself to save, u can look for non-insurance related investment. only consider insurance if you need protection of your assets
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Sep 7 2016, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Sep 7 2016, 11:01 PM) Hmm... I'm currently balancing commodities (main portion), a sprinkling of shares (only blue chips/low risk dividen stuff), and properties (long term not flipper). at least the emergency funds is in FD (it's working, of course works lesser than whatever other investment you have). oh and btw, the excel table is created by you or your agent? i will say that best is to refer to the projected figure table from the official plan presentation.Ofcourse part of the $$ would be in FD, for emergency, THIS is the part of the money that is not working... |
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Sep 7 2016, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE(weissPC @ Sep 7 2016, 11:17 PM) TS, 812k "was your calculation" and not the amount she told you right? Yes, she can say bonus and dividend is guaranteed but confirmed the surrender value on 9th year is not RM812k, get her to show it to you in black and white (official quotation). yes...thats y refer to the table provided in the official quotation/plan presentationYes, on the 9th year you can withdraw but confirm you won't get RM812k. Ask her. At best you can only get back your principal on 9th year provided you don't take out the bonus and dividend. QUOTE(MeToo @ Sep 7 2016, 11:19 PM) Point noted, pretty sure it was implied I can take everything out by 9th year. But its a good idea to ask point blank yes can take everything out after 9th year completion, question is what is the amount? supposedly agent should show you the projected figure |
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Sep 7 2016, 11:30 PM
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i agree with weissPC. since MeToo only need to commit to save 6 years (principal of 600k), highly likely by the 7th year, if surrender the plan and take everything, the value will be slightly more than breaking even only, if will like to take out on the 9th year, i guess it will be around 720k or so... (if my calculation is correct)
hope bro MeToo can tell us more after asking the agent more details and after getting the plan quotation |
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QUOTE(weissPC @ Sep 7 2016, 11:44 PM) Bro ckdenion, your assumption that 7th year will get slightly above break-even is unlikely to be accurate because a portion of the premium paid will be used to pay for agent's commission, the boss's overriding, HLA's expenses and profits, etc. The policy holder will be having negative returns if they decide to surrender less than 10 years into the plan. that's basically just my assumption, since the payment term mentioned by MeToo is 6 years, it is very good enough to breakeven at 7th or 8th year. Anyway, like what I said I'm just assuming. same like what you suggest, i think we can only give ideas only after we saw the official plan presentation quote from the agent Knowing HLA's endowment plans, if you decide to take the bonus and dividend out yearly, at maturity, you'll get less than what you saved. Part of the principal amount is also included in the so called bonus and dividend. The best possible return will usually happen at maturity when you keep the bonus and dividend with the insurer. |
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QUOTE(howszat @ Sep 7 2016, 11:40 PM) Nope. honestly, there is no good/bad plans. different plans serve different purposes. As long as the plan suits your needs, then it is a good plan to achieve what people want. It will not be a good plan if it doesn't bring the value that people want. so i think let's not say that this Plan A from Company X is good/bad. Just put your emergency funds into FD, instead of introducing it into a pointless thread. Like HLA is good or not? Everyone have already told you it's not good, so what the heck are you trying to prove? |
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QUOTE(howszat @ Sep 8 2016, 12:28 AM) The point is for all the restrictions, you end up no better or even worse than FD. i agree with u that by putting in FD, it can be withdrawn anytime without losing the principal. if people want to "lock" in a certain amount for long-term (let's put an example of 10 years) and they are determined that no matter what, they are not going to treat this as emergency funds, then they can look into endowment plans with suitable term that they want. if people want forced-savings, y not?Given that you can withdraw FD anytime for the same amount you put in, unlike HLA plans, and there are penalties with HLA plans, it is a BAD plan, fullstop. The only positive for such plans is forced-savings, and that's it. not everyone want the same thing. different people different needs, different goals QUOTE(T231H @ Sep 8 2016, 12:35 AM) had been approached by similar offer in hypermarts/shopping centers....they would just tell you can get 20% pa ....you not interested meh? |
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Sep 8 2016, 12:55 AM) If I get approached for a 20% ROI... I'll walk away... if its too good to be true... then it usually is. Heck 20% ROI is what i'm averaging on my commodities in the last 5 years... and that comes with a shitload of risk.. |
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Sep 8 2016, 10:37 AM) Guess what... same marketing spiel here... the bonus for 100k deposit 20K... i say.. u mean 20%... she goes "nonono... its 20k!" Hmmm.... so what plan have you heard so far asides from the HLA one?But at the end of the day, no one will dispute the insurance is out there to make money for THEMSELVES.. and not us... we can just try to get the best deal avail;able out there. I'm still open to other alternative for something along the lines of 5~10 yrs, safe 'investment' with decent returns. Bro AIA have shown me something which i will run some numbers and compare. |
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 8 2016, 10:42 AM) p/s Saving plan is not a good tool to generate wealth. It is a better tool to preserve wealth and to prepare smooth transfer of wealth to the next of kin. QUOTE(MeToo @ Sep 8 2016, 04:04 PM) You are right... susah cari makan.. I'm not like most of the Taikors here got lots of money to fling around.. all hard earned blood and sweat $$ leh amount of money doesn't matter. what's more important is how u manage them |
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