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voscar
post Aug 7 2017, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Aug 6 2017, 09:56 PM)
Well possible but he's getting more mature since last year so won't be easy to catch him or push him into a mistake. Th fact that he is so talented and brave also what makes him so good in this flag-to-flag race coz he dares to take the risk to change to slick at the earliest time and able to stay on the bike.

Another thing that I see MM advantage during flag-to-flag is that he changes bike fast! He just hops immediately into the next bike in just one quick jump! Compare that with VR or Zarco who needs to get off to the ground first then hop onto the next bike (Zarco was even worse as he hop off then spun 360 to hop on the next bike!). That should give MM at least 0.5-1 sec advantage already.
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YTD MM was lucky.. no rain and he also admitted he almost fell down 3 occasion after swapping.. it was his pure lucky day.
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post Aug 7 2017, 01:17 PM

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talk bout motogp..
im rossi fans...but i swear rossi cant beat tenth tittle motogp..
smthing loose..smthing miss in his talent rite now..

probably he getting old as we know now..
poor rossi..wish can beat marq n vinales this year ....

or need morbidelli to join motogp fr supporting him to win tittle like marq did to lorenzo...
such a coward la marq
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post Aug 7 2017, 01:24 PM

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rossi quite big head rite rite???
he think can got fastest and buy some more time ahead since he good in wet tyre.
why not he just do the common like others to change dry tyre immediately...

aiyooo...


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post Aug 7 2017, 02:18 PM

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http://malaysian-riders.com/2017/08/07/dun...-gagal-di-brno/

http://malaysian-riders.com/2017/08/07/kha...positif-di-brno
6UE5T
post Aug 7 2017, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(voscar @ Aug 7 2017, 01:17 PM)
YTD MM was lucky.. no rain and he also admitted he almost fell down 3 occasion after swapping.. it was his pure lucky day.
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I think not just luck, he has an amazing raw talent to control the bike. I honestly think he is still the best and the fastest rider currently.

QUOTE(amar_arifin @ Aug 7 2017, 01:17 PM)
talk bout motogp..
im rossi fans...but i swear rossi cant beat tenth tittle motogp..
smthing loose..smthing miss in his talent rite now..

probably he getting old as we know now..
poor rossi..wish can beat marq n vinales this year ....

or need morbidelli to join motogp fr supporting him to win tittle like marq did to lorenzo...
such a coward la marq
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QUOTE(amar_arifin @ Aug 7 2017, 01:24 PM)
rossi quite big head rite rite???
he think can got fastest and buy some more time ahead since he good in wet tyre.
why not he just do the common like others to change dry tyre immediately...

aiyooo...
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Yeah I don't think VR will win another one, he's getting old already and his timing on flag-to-flag race is the worse! It's not because he's big head I think, but more to playing it too safe, not daring enough to take risk like MM to use dry tires on a drying damp track.

VR did not loose the title in 2015 because MM helped JL. It was VR own mistake in San Marino GP where he also switched too late for dry tires, exactly the same mistake as this race in Brno! The points he lost in that San Marino race were enough to make him champion in 2015 so he cannot blame MM for that.

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post Aug 7 2017, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Aug 7 2017, 02:26 PM)
I think not just luck, he has an amazing raw talent to control the bike. I honestly think he is still the best and the fastest rider currently.
Yeah I don't think VR will win another one, he's getting old already and his timing on flag-to-flag race is the worse! It's not because he's big head I think, but more to playing it too safe, not daring enough to take risk like MM to use dry tires on a drying damp track.

VR did not loose the title in 2015 because MM helped JL. It was VR own mistake in San Marino GP where he also switched too late for dry tires, exactly the same mistake as this race in Brno! The points he lost in that San Marino race were enough to make him champion in 2015 so he cannot blame MM for that.
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his character become more less wild than other riders..
what i like his style rite now is he more cheer n keep njoy riding every gp..
not very stress..but he loss his wild..aggresive while riding..

wish he can beat the odds laa...
flag to flag race can be easy for tricky actually..
like lwis hamilton did in F1..

anyway still too far to decide who will be leader till end of season..


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post Aug 7 2017, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(amar_arifin @ Aug 7 2017, 01:24 PM)
rossi quite big head rite rite???
he think can got fastest and buy some more time ahead since he good in wet tyre.
why not he just do the common like others to change dry tyre immediately...

aiyooo...
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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Aug 7 2017, 02:26 PM)
I think not just luck, he has an amazing raw talent to control the bike. I honestly think he is still the best and the fastest rider currently.
Yeah I don't think VR will win another one, he's getting old already and his timing on flag-to-flag race is the worse! It's not because he's big head I think, but more to playing it too safe, not daring enough to take risk like MM to use dry tires on a drying damp track.

VR did not loose the title in 2015 because MM helped JL. It was VR own mistake in San Marino GP where he also switched too late for dry tires, exactly the same mistake as this race in Brno! The points he lost in that San Marino race were enough to make him champion in 2015 so he cannot blame MM for that.
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He admits his weakness in flag to flag races, he's working on it, his team needs to do the same too doh.gif .

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/872108/1/...time-we-re-five

This post has been edited by Aydee: Aug 7 2017, 03:14 PM
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post Aug 7 2017, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(jaykay4540 @ Aug 7 2017, 02:18 PM)
Your article? Good job thumbup.gif
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post Aug 7 2017, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(Aydee @ Aug 7 2017, 03:13 PM)
He admits his weakness in flag to flag races, he's working on it, his team needs to do the same too doh.gif .

http://www.crash.net/motogp/news/872108/1/...time-we-re-five
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"Pressed on why he had not pitted when it was apparent dry tyres were the best option, Rossi offered, “First of all, it’s a lot different compared to last year because last year, the track never dried up. At the end we finished with the wet tyres. We know this time could be a flag-to-flag, but I didn’t think so on the first lap."


ROssi teams need more talent engineer or whatever they call them in the pit.. a stupid mistake cant blame a rider la...
their teams need more to do in analyzing on track, weather n others...


same goes to us rite??
we also can predict either it rain day or not before ride a bike.. either we need to bring a rain jacket or not..
how many times ur prediction was success??



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post Aug 7 2017, 03:28 PM

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the sun was already up by the time moto2 finished..

if u ask me, Race Direction could have wait couple of minutes for track to dry up and not declare it as Wet Race. biggrin.gif

but it gonna be conflict with sponsorship & tv schedule..laugh.gif


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QUOTE(ciwi1166 @ Aug 7 2017, 03:28 PM)
the sun was already up by the time moto2 finished..

if u ask me, Race Direction could have wait couple of minutes for track to dry up and not declare it as Wet Race. biggrin.gif

but it gonna be conflict with sponsorship & tv schedule..laugh.gif
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This is true.
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post Aug 7 2017, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(Aydee @ Aug 7 2017, 03:18 PM)
Your article? Good job thumbup.gif
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my first article. still more need to improve.
thanks!
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post Aug 7 2017, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(amar_arifin @ Aug 7 2017, 03:10 PM)
his character become more less wild than other riders..
what i like his style rite now is he more cheer n keep njoy riding every gp..
not very stress..but he loss his wild..aggresive while riding..

wish he can beat the odds laa...
flag to flag race can be easy for tricky actually..
like lwis hamilton did in F1..

anyway still too far to decide who will be leader till end of season..
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QUOTE(amar_arifin @ Aug 7 2017, 03:22 PM)
"Pressed on why he had not pitted when it was apparent dry tyres were the best option, Rossi offered, “First of all, it’s a lot different compared to last year because last year, the track never dried up. At the end we finished with the wet tyres. We know this time could be a flag-to-flag, but I didn’t think so on the first lap."
ROssi teams need more talent engineer or whatever they call them in the pit.. a stupid mistake cant blame a rider la...
their teams need more to do in analyzing on track, weather n others...
same goes to us rite??
we also can predict either it rain day or not before ride a bike.. either we need to bring a rain jacket or not..
how many times ur prediction was success??
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Yup, that's what's good about VR, he looks to adopt the happy-go-lucky type attitude, but make no mistake that he is actually still ultra competitive in spirit, as shown in his fall in the France GP while trying to chase back MV. He just did not want to accept 2nd that time. The fact that he also picked a fight with MM back in Sepang 2015 was also another proof that he is not as easy going happy guy like what he has shown. I think he projects such impression to relieve the pressure off him.

IMHO the rider is still the main person responsible in making the decision to switch because they're the one who feel the grip. Bike racing is even more feel sensitive than car racing and therefore the rider plays a bigger role too. The team can only help to monitor other riders progress and the weather. This year the team can have a bigger role to advice since they can influence more by having the instruction electronically shown on the bike digital display, but the rider ultimately still is the one to decide when to switch. Just look at MV, he decided to come in 1 lap earlier than VR and therefore ended up 1 position higher despite previously further back before the switch. If VR had switched at the same lap as MV, he might have a go at DP for 2nd instead. So yeah IMHO still VR is largely at fault for switching too late, just like in San Marino 2015 (that one was 100% his fault coz the team had actually put the board long time before he decided to come).
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post Aug 8 2017, 01:07 AM

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So MV copied VR setup to be more competitive. smile.gif

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/vina...-podium-939152/
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post Aug 8 2017, 01:17 AM

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VR fastest in Brno test. Looking at this test and the qualifying times, he surely should've been challenging for the win during the race if not for that late switch. Again a big opportunity lost which always happen now every year in the last 3-4 yrs.

https://www.motorsport.com/motogp/news/ross...r=recirculation
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post Aug 12 2017, 08:36 AM

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FP1 and FP2 seems Dukahati in upper hand, following by Vinales. So Vinales vs Dukahati? Haha
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QUOTE(voscar @ Aug 12 2017, 08:36 AM)
FP1 and FP2 seems Dukahati in upper hand, following by Vinales. So Vinales vs Dukahati? Haha
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last season ducati conquered this track 1-2... smile.gif

expected them to challenge strong again this time.
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post Aug 12 2017, 01:58 PM

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Yeah the Ducs especially Dovi looks strong again here. MV seems to be pretty competitive now but VR again as always starting slow and struggling. Don't discount MM though, he can still be right up there, at least podium potential.
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post Aug 13 2017, 11:05 AM

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As expected the Ducs and MM are fast here. VR did not do a good job, blaming the tires. DP also struggles.
Hopefully Dovi can win and hold MM back a bit or else he will be running ahead in the points. sad.gif

Qualifying 2:
1. Marc Marquez ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 23.235s [Lap 8/10] 311km/h (Max)
2. Andrea Dovizioso ITA Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 23.379s +0.144s [10/10] 306km/h
3. Jorge Lorenzo ESP Ducati Team (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 23.621s +0.386s [6/8] 305km/h
4. Maverick Viñales ESP Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 23.754s +0.519s [8/9] 306km/h
5. Danilo Petrucci ITA Octo Pramac (Desmosedici GP17) 1m 23.780s +0.545s [8/8] 303km/h
6. Johann Zarco FRA Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 23.879s +0.644s [7/8] 306km/h
7. Valentino Rossi ITA Movistar Yamaha (YZR-M1) 1m 23.982s +0.747s [8/9] 304km/h
8. Dani Pedrosa ESP Repsol Honda (RC213V) 1m 23.985s +0.750s [9/9] 308km/h
9. Cal Crutchlow GBR LCR Honda (RC213V) 1m 24.024s +0.789s [8/10] 304km/h
10. Andrea Iannone ITA Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR) 1m 24.185s +0.950s [9/10] 303km/h
11. Karel Abraham CZE Pull&Bear Aspar (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 24.220s +0.985s [9/9] 309km/h
12. Loris Baz FRA Reale Avintia (Desmosedici GP15) 1m 24.483s +1.248s [8/9] 303km/h

Qualifying 1:
13. Jonas Folger GER Monster Yamaha Tech3 (YZR-M1)* 1m 24.015s 306km/h
14. Hector Barbera ESP Reale Avintia (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 24.036s 313km/h
15. Scott Redding GBR Octo Pramac (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 24.037s 307km/h
16. Pol Espargaro ESP Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 24.101s 308km/h
17. Alvaro Bautista ESP Pull&Bear Aspar (Desmosedici GP16) 1m 24.202s 317km/h
18. Mika Kallio FIN Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 24.261s 309km/h
19. Jack Miller AUS EG 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 24.321s 309km/h
20. Aleix Espargaro ESP Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP) 1m 24.447s 304km/h
21. Alex Rins ESP Suzuki Ecstar (GSX-RR)* 1m 24.448s 305km/h
22. Bradley Smith GBR Red Bull KTM Factory (RC16) 1m 24.530s 306km/h
23. Sam Lowes GBR Factory Aprilia Gresini (RS-GP)* 1m 24.852s 306km/h
24. Tito Rabat ESP EG 0,0 Marc VDS (RC213V) 1m 24.900s 307km/h
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1- Andrea Dovizioso
2 - Marc Marquez
3 - Dani Pedrosa

it was a battle between Honda & Ducati, especially the last lap. biggrin.gif

MM is such a talent and joy to watch, reminded us of rossi when he still has that aggressiveness and fighting back spirit.

Yamaha once again seems comfortable to just trailing behind. laugh.gif



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