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DearWJ
post Oct 9 2016, 10:16 PM

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Newbie here! Been read through V14 till here, thanks everybody for the disscussion and sharing! Learn a lot here! Just calculated my IRR with the excel format provided in the front page.

negative for my eastspring smallcap and kenanga growth T^T
although ROI are positive......
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post Oct 10 2016, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Oct 10 2016, 08:58 AM)
You sure you did it correctly? I don't think it is mathematically possible.
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I used Pinky's Portfolio Worksheet with IRR Calculation at the front page to count
Double check, All units and price and sales charge are exactly same with my FSM info.

Perhaps i overly topped up for this few months? so the IRR looks terrible?
ROI for Kenanga Growth about 2.5% IRR -2.4
ROI for ESISC about 1.69% IRR -4

weird hoh? quite confuse with all this mathematics prob... blink.gif confused.gif
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post Oct 10 2016, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 10 2016, 10:53 AM)
If u have positive ROI there's no way u could get negative IRR. Something is wrong.

When you are profiting, u could have low IRR, but never negative IRR.
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Thanks boss for the reply. Will recheck it by tonight. smile.gif
btw my current funds are like below:

1) Kenanga Growth Fund
2) Eastspring Small Cap
3) Eastspring Bond
4) Cimb Asia Pacific Dynamic Income
5) Cimb Global Titans
6) RHB Bond

Still suit the asset allocation strategy right?
And feel like wana add RHB Asian Income since Xuzen quite recommend it coz of Low-volatility.
anybody thought about Am Tactical Bond before? confused.gif


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post Oct 10 2016, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 10 2016, 11:19 AM)
mind share the % of allocation for clearer picture?
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Mostly on Malaysia funds, like 75%
Those Cimb funds just maintain for 25%

Perhaps now not a good time to top up Cimb since they getting the highest NAV?
But after I read bout NAV stuff from this thread, so now change my mind to do DCA rather than DVA(value cost averaging). And the disccusion about buy low sell high in this thread really inspired me lots. flex.gif

Don't wait for Fed and president election, just top up every month will do.
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post Oct 10 2016, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 10 2016, 10:53 AM)
If u have positive ROI there's no way u could get negative IRR. Something is wrong.

When you are profiting, u could have low IRR, but never negative IRR.
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Finally i figured out the prob!
I put in the amount for dividen (actually just put in units then enough) cry.gif


Kenanga Growth IRR 7.68
Eastspring Small Cap IRR 3.42
Eastspring Equity Income IRR 11.79
CIMB Asia Pacific Dynamic Income IRR 36.65
CIMB Global Titans IRR 15.96

Hope that i din't calculated wrong this time. Check every single details since one hour ago , hahaha!
Just start my investment Dec of 2016, those CIMB funds started on May 2016, so quite lucky to bought for lower prices. But din't make much portion in my portfolio, now extremely regret that din top up much dry.gif

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post Oct 10 2016, 08:37 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 10 2016, 08:32 PM)
notworthy.gif for fund that is less than 1 year, try use ROI.....

note: if you had gotten into it in Jan/FEB......better "Huat-lah" than Dec 2015
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ROI means the amount shown in "profit" in FSM account?
such a noob question here, but newbie should ask more to learn more right? smile.gif
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post Oct 10 2016, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(T231H @ Oct 10 2016, 08:40 PM)
that is simplest....(does that profits take into consideration of sales charges paid?)
for more than 1 year than use IRR....
FSM does not have this function....
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Will try to know how to calculated ROI now~
So if less than one year, my IRR not accurate at all?

Malunya saya blink.gif
Lucky got many boss here willing to give advises rclxms.gif

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post Oct 10 2016, 09:01 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 10 2016, 08:50 PM)
The IRR is annualized, so it will appear higher if less than a year of investment

ROI, just the current value of the fund/portfolio over your invested amount in the fund/portfolio smile.gif
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Thanks for the explaination! ROI all green! still learning how to gain and preserve wealth through DIY funds! smile.gif


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Some bosses here are really nice. Indeed.


yeah yeah, very nice! all of you rclxms.gif


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post Oct 13 2016, 02:31 PM

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Yesterday Asian Market dropped kaw kaw but Ponzi 2 still rose about 1.35%

So today still up up and up? @@
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post Oct 13 2016, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 13 2016, 02:37 PM)
But even if you smooth out the unit split, it is still dropping
Ponzi 2.0 had been dropping since last Friday
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Is it? I checked the NAV just now, it's 0.3112 on tuesday, yesterday Asian Market got into red but it rose to 0.3154. What a great pump up huh?

and i topped up yesterday cry.gif
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post Oct 13 2016, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(kl_123 @ Oct 13 2016, 02:51 PM)
Coz of forex, MYR dropped 1.x% last two days, think it accumulate into today NAV
and MYR today still depreciate  bangwall.gif
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How does forex affected the NAV actually?

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post Oct 13 2016, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Oct 13 2016, 02:58 PM)
console.gif You are not alone....
Yesterday's morning a forummer also posted he topup Ponzi 2.0 too.

hmm.gif TakoC is right when he said about correlation is very weak....between mkts and Navs
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Yeah , read that before. But majority of Ponzi 2.0 invested in asian market right? So when market step into red then thought ponzi 2.0 might drop kaw kaw too…

RSP will be more comfortable coz it depends on luck huh, no need worry or am dui if top up during high NAV…
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post Oct 13 2016, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 13 2016, 03:26 PM)
Something to remember when you try to time the market - For foreign funds forex plays an important role on top of the ups and downs in various equity markets
In fact forex would have more certainty in predicting if the fund would go up/down than the market indexes because the fund may or may not invest in the indexed stocks and the weightage in each top holding and market is also dynamic. The only information you have is fact sheet which is at least 1 month old

My simple solution to that is, I don't try to time the market, because I suck at it
Hmm, the answer to this question is rather complex

Each class would be translated to its denominated currency on daily basis

So although the exchange rate for 13/10/15 and 13/10/16 for USD:SGD is identical, in between there were lots of fluctuations and the transactions took place during the year would be affected by those fluctuations

The only instance where it would be exactly the same would be during the RM pegging of USD at 3.8 because there were no forex movement in the whole year.

Hope that makes sense
Anyway, is this an important consideration? The SGD and USD class as I understand is to be distributed by CIMB in other Asean countries instead of Malaysia. If you invest in the MYR class just focus on the MYR performance lor
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Yes! Bear in my mind now. RSP will be more comfortable all the time.

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post Oct 20 2016, 09:34 PM

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Just wonder why some sort of Affin Hwang fund like Affin Hwang Select Income can't buy through FSM huh? i miss any information in this thread?
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post Oct 20 2016, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 20 2016, 09:37 PM)
Ia a good fund managed by pink spider and xuzen's favourite fund manager biggrin.gif laugh.gif

But I believe since FSM reduced their bond fund sales charge to 0% and introduce the platform fee (around 2013 Sep), they no longer available through FSM

May be Affin do not agree with that sales charge or FSM can't afford for that fund to be at 0% (since the original SC is 3%)
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Thanks for the info :3
Sedihnya kami tak dpt beli fund yang bagus mcm ni~
Searching for other market bond fund baru dpt cari Affin Hwang ni
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post Oct 20 2016, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Oct 20 2016, 10:06 PM)
cough Ponzi 1.0 cough
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FSM Risk Rating:10
Not suit my risk appetite sad.gif
I got ponzi 2 with me now~
Hope that still got negotiation between FSM and Affin Hwang in the future bout select income fund cry.gif


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post Oct 20 2016, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Oct 20 2016, 10:24 PM)
We have one job for you biggrin.gif

Negotiate with them through life help, or wait for their event, and raise it to CIS, hopefully the management will consider and negotiate. biggrin.gif

I choose you! laugh.gif
Oooi, apa lagu ni kaitan dengan UT?  laugh.gif
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I think there are more suitable people to do that for us~you are a great speaker too, please help us to raise this issue to FSM rclxms.gif

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I  wub.gif select bond

I'm selling RHB ATR and buying more select bond... (from conventional channel)


very good hor the performance?
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post Oct 20 2016, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Oct 20 2016, 10:57 PM)
Actually if you just look at performance, on 2 or 3 years historical performance actually ATR beats select bond hands down. But ATR is very volatile. I like my FI to behave like FI.

Select bond volatility is really low for an Asian bond fund. Credit to the fella who recommended the fund to me.
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RHB Asian Income consider as balanced fund right?
anyone treat it as a fixed income fund coz of its low volatile? confused.gif
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post Oct 21 2016, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 21 2016, 09:34 AM)
Go buy direct from Affin-Hwang or thru bank. Affin-Hwang Select Income is a good fund that I would strongly recommend esp if u don't want a too complicated portfolio, it covers Asian bonds and Asian dividend-yielding stocks.
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Is there any different buy through affin hwang or cimb bank? still kena same 3% charges right?
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post Oct 21 2016, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 21 2016, 11:17 AM)
If u go direct to Affin-Hwang, u COULD get cheaper than 3%.
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But it should be lump sum with a big amount right? so that can negotiate with them...correct me if i'm having wrong perception notworthy.gif

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Eunittrust lar, someone already said it earlier. It's 2% SC.

thanks for the reminder, will consider it as well :3


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