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Andrewtst
post Sep 3 2016, 12:03 AM

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Can Sony release Sony Xperia XZ Ultra? or Xperia XZ Pro?

I really like this phone but I really really hope they is a Forest Blue edition of screen size of 5.5" or 5.7" or even the legend 6.44"
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post Sep 3 2016, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Sep 3 2016, 12:07 AM)
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QUOTE(kakikubesi @ Sep 3 2016, 12:19 AM)
I vote for this screen size
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QUOTE(teckyang97 @ Sep 3 2016, 01:16 AM)
Its safe to assume that "Ultra" series is dead, such an awesome phone, yet so underrated and underdeveloped.
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Too bad Sony didn't seen it, probably last time 6.44" is a bit too big for many peoples but a 5.5" to 6" shall still working awesome.

Now Sony only have middle range big phone, kind of sad Sony didn't release any high end flagship in bigger size already.

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post Sep 3 2016, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(xperiaDROID @ Sep 3 2016, 03:38 PM)
No point of wasting budget on making successor for product that can't sell well.

They have been losing lots of money over the years.
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Do they earn money now? Nope.

Releasing 6.44" do won't earn much as that one is true too big for most user.

But releasing a solid 5.5"/5.7" QHD, S820, 64GB, 4GB/6GB RAM phone now with appropriate price surely can earn a lot of sales.

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post Sep 16 2016, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(neo0915 @ Sep 15 2016, 07:10 PM)
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post Sep 16 2016, 01:52 AM

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QUOTE(ckchan @ Sep 16 2016, 12:46 AM)
Haha... I tot you are done with Sony phone? More so this is less than 5.5" screen
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Maybe I will buy this as second phone and 2nd phone no need big screen. biggrin.gif long never have impressive Sony phone since Xperia Z Ultra.
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post Sep 16 2016, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(yuhhaur @ Sep 16 2016, 12:29 PM)
fuyoo ip7s main, xz alt  thumbup.gif
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Targeting only, now already got issue on getting the iPhone 7 Plus, damn expensive...

QUOTE(ckchan @ Sep 16 2016, 01:37 PM)
Wah... Big business need secondary phone dy ya... What phone u using now btw?

anyway more details on the spec of xz here.

http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/09/15/sony-...nology-details/
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Haha, no la. Now using Huawei P9 Plus.
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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Sep 16 2016, 01:47 PM)
He using P9+ now. laugh.gif
His signature has it.

Contemplating to sell my note 7 and get this.
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Let us know how much the XZ when you get the info. smile.gif
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post Sep 16 2016, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(XeactorZ @ Sep 16 2016, 03:39 PM)
why ? seems like downgrade from note 7 to XZ hmm.gif
get iPhone 7 lor whistling.gif
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iPhone 7? Sorry iPhone 7 not meet my requirement. whistling.gif
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post Sep 16 2016, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(XeactorZ @ Sep 16 2016, 04:45 PM)
you win already rclxs0.gif
but screen is smaller and camera might worse hmm.gif
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Hahaha! rclxs0.gif rclxs0.gif rclxs0.gif
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post Sep 16 2016, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Sep 16 2016, 05:12 PM)
That's why I'm looking at it as my working phone. laugh.gif
Camera, judging by the samples, luckily Sony did improve with the XZ. Might not be the best but still it does a good job.
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I had seen some sample online, this time Sony seems finally did it better in camera photo output.

Not much complain on camera output already this time, just the screen size, haizz... if 5.5" will be my main phone already.
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post Sep 17 2016, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(lilzany @ Sep 17 2016, 11:59 AM)
Nah, it still sucks. S7 is still better for their camera output especially lowlight.
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S7 or Note7 now got big issue which is I didn't like much - over sharpening.
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post Sep 17 2016, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(ckchan @ Sep 17 2016, 04:28 PM)
Even my mom's note4 I noticed that. In some photos the people look so sharpened that it look like the person is cut-and-paste into the pic and looks unnatural.

not saying sony camera is the best. It was never the best in smartphone. But honestly it's still able to take good photos. Not the best but definitely still consider good.
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Samsung always got sharpening issue but the sharpening is tone down a lot in Note5 which make the photo much natural. Samsung is fire up the sharpening again in S7 Edge and frank speak from photo seen online, Note7 is way too much sharpening up.

Sony camera wise I never really like it much, all got that badly oil painting issue but the sample I seen from XZ finally reduce a lot, at least it looks nice now.
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post Sep 19 2016, 02:00 AM

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QUOTE(teckyang97 @ Sep 19 2016, 12:18 AM)
If camera quality is really a huge factor, why not just get a DSLR? Nowadays you can also directly share your pics through Facebook and social media, plus much more efficiency, instead of complaining phones camera issue, cause for a camera guy, phone camera is definitely not enough.
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You know how big and heavy the DSLR right? Most people won't carrying it everyday.
Only enthusiast or photographer may do so.

Phone camera can anytime capture special moment as it is with you all time but not the DSLR for most people.

That the reason why phone camera became main subject and main target for people to choose upgrade his/her phone not the heavy DSLR or the near dying normal digital camera.

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post Sep 19 2016, 02:22 AM

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QUOTE(teckyang97 @ Sep 19 2016, 02:16 AM)
Not necessarily DSLR, maybe a small, portable digital camera that costs 1k with fast speed. What I'm trying to point out is that we shouldn't expect so much from a phone, which isn't specialize in camera, but if camera is really a priority, getting a digital camera would be more efficient and cheaper.
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Most people want is brilliant output from mobile camera not spend extra to buy those portable digital camera, it is huge burden to carry those portable digital camera also, where you gonna put? inside bag? Not everyone carrying bag, inside pocket? Sorry it still kind of bulky and not comfortable to carry one pocket phone, another pocket portable digital camera.

Portable digital camera is dying, not much people will buying it anymore because phone can do it and did it brilliantly, and camera in phone will keep better and better.

DSLR still will be there and possible forever but portable digital camera? No point buying it at all.

Now camera in phone is priority, most people will check camera in phone than others functions.

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QUOTE(teckyang97 @ Sep 19 2016, 03:11 AM)
I get your point, but I think phone is constantly downgrading their capability by making it thinner, I think camera won't go far in mobile, UNLESS they made a modular parts for it with much bigger sensor and all.
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Thinner is last year trend, this year seems nobody talk on slimming down anymore. Hehe

Technology keep update, we won't know what will appear in future. Possible new thing coming out, not matter how I believe camera is main point in mobile at least this few years or maybe forever. Haha.
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QUOTE(ChuanHong @ Sep 19 2016, 09:49 AM)
people are demand too much.. but the theory behind of photography is not breakable.. small sensor in smartphone camera will not achieve any special wow impact..

even the professional also need proper lighting/tripod for photography.. so dont expect any smartphone camera can exceed DSLR/real camera in real life..

smartphone camera are usable for daily life capture.. expect some blur/noise.. other than that, all manufacturers are trying to deliver something to attract some new buyers and feel their products are WOW.. in fact, still under 1/2.3 inch sensor or 1/3.2 inch sensor..
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People not expect until that level of DSLR. Just a clear details image, no oil painting effect, no too crazy noise, no side blur issue. That it. (I am criticizing all previous Sony phone issue, haha oops)..

Added features like optical zoom and extreme wide angle or even the pure black and white is welcome.
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QUOTE(xisan @ Sep 19 2016, 11:18 AM)
I dont mind anything that come from Sony as long as they make Z Ultra successor. Make it XZ Ultra with 6.44" please, not 6". Been waiting since then, but Xiaomi did it with Mi Max.
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I believe Z Ultra is already permanent history, no more next version.

QUOTE(sitescope @ Sep 19 2016, 02:08 PM)
As long as hp camera sensor is small compare to digital camera than hp camera will nvr win in image quality
Unless ur pic is for wasap n fb or ig, then it's ok.

But for special moment or event that need to be remembered, digital camera is still better.

For me, i rather buy cheap rm500 hp n 2nd hand camera like rx100mk2 for rm1.5k instead of pay 2.5k for hp only
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Phone with you all time not the 2nd hand digital camera.

I rather use mobile camera for anytime and DSLR for important occasion only.
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QUOTE(xisan @ Sep 19 2016, 10:22 PM)
That's why i said XZ Ultra with 6.44" not 6" like C5 Ultra and another Ultra
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What I mean is Sony won't do any 6.44" high end spec phone nor matter what series.
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post Sep 20 2016, 01:43 AM

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QUOTE(xisan @ Sep 20 2016, 01:02 AM)
Bloody Sony. Are they even listening to consumer? Seems not at all.
Z Ultra is the perfect phablet!
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Ya I agree that, I also wait for it, but so many years already pass.. no longer waiting now.
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post Sep 24 2016, 01:18 AM

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Review is out by PhoneArena.

Under Image Quality section, comment by PhoneArena "Sony seems to have changed that quite a bit with the XZ, which takes pictures that have a very noticeable contrast, saturation and sharpening boost. Despite this quite obvious oversharpening, in areas of uniform color, details appear smudged out and not all that clear. Some artifacts like color fringing are also particularly easy to notice."

"Image quality on the Xperia XZ is fine, but by no means extraordinary or even on par with devices like the Apple iPhone 7 series, Samsung’s Galaxy S7 family, LG’s G5, or the HTC 10."

I agree all..., add-on the side still blur out like Z5. Not really an improvement.

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Sony-Xpe...w_id4255/page/3

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