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post Sep 1 2016, 08:16 PM, updated 10y ago

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Hi I am a first time house buyer. I would like to know how to negotiate a subsale property price? What were your experiences?

I found a few suitable houses which I am interested in. So I started with research on the prices of houses being sold in the neighborhood by searching through property sites like iproperty, propwall, property guru etc.

So I started to engage some agents with their ads on the website. I met two agents already when I asked for viewing they straight ask me what is my budget. I definitely can afford the property listed price but I can't reveal that because I will lose my bargaining power.

One agent I met before I can view the house the way he talk is if you want to view then you have to buy already because the owner won't reduce price. This is the first time I engaged this agent never met before.

Am I being played around by the agents?
Property cost more than 1Mil

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post Sep 2 2016, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(gheezz_86 @ Sep 2 2016, 03:57 PM)
Since you are first-time buyer, why not start with affordables home scheme instead of subsale..
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Not trying to show off but I can afford the property I am interested in just agents are not nice to deal with. Affordable home scheme not many choices that was my liking.
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post Sep 2 2016, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 2 2016, 04:37 PM)
telling them your budget doesn't mean that's your offer price to buy, right? Maybe they just want to know your ballpark figure instead of waste each other time.

Sometimes got a few agents dealing with the same property, try asking a few.
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How I see it is if I tell my budget then it can be used against my advantage when negotiating. Interesting though why property agents think that there are many people go view houses for the fun of it. It also waste my time if I am not interested to buy right.

Yeah agree I found other agents for the same property. Not end of the world but eye opener to me in property negotiation.
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post Sep 2 2016, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 2 2016, 05:00 PM)
You be surprised how many people actually go see house just for fun or beyond their budget. Now I'm not saying you are and I'm not an agent but I tried selling my own house before, that's how I know.

There is also a reason why some can't reduce their price. For my case, I wanted 1.2m, so I advertised slightly higher than that. I can't advertise 1.3m cause nobody would even look and I can't advertise at 1.2m cause that's my bottom. Anything over a million is not easy to sell. There's not much room for negotiation.

If they ask for your budget, just say a number below their asking price. But don't say few hundred thousand below asking la.
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Is it possible if agents hike up the price without owners knowledge? If that happens it will give a false impression that the buyer just come see see. So how did your negotiation process? Did you finally find a buyer who viewed and straight away agree with your price?
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post Sep 3 2016, 06:43 AM

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QUOTE(BeastB @ Sep 2 2016, 07:39 PM)
Very simple. Go to the bank and tell them the exact property address, size of unit, furnished/non furnished....get their valuation. Get from 2 banks.

Then, contact agents, go for viewings ho humm ho very nice very nice, and then give your budget, max I will pay = Bank valuation - (2-3% of selling price).

Because 2-3% is agent commission, so you're now tapping into buyers selling price. Agents commissions are ridiculous, some of them asking 3% now, don't know if its the standard, but still find it ridiculous.

You want a motivated seller. So the prices listed on the website are just sellers 'fishing', you can be sure for a 1mill property, can slash another 30-40k at least. But always use bank valuation as benchmark. And tell the agent, this is the bank valuation for this price, for this unit - you've done your homework.

Next, tell them - this is my price. Call me if owner agrees and I'll give you the cheque the next day. If they call back and match it - you got a good deal.

To the agents who say you must buy if you view, yadayadaya, tell them to stuff it. Many many agents out there, this is the buyers market.
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Sound like a good strategy. Thanks

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post Sep 3 2016, 06:48 AM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 2 2016, 05:33 PM)
Of course! Every agent on earth will want to hike up the price except for my stupid agent. She put lower than what I wanted.
Some small taman/project they can even pakat to maintain a certain price.

Eventually mine sold by another agent.

What kind of house you looking at? How many storey
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I just tried your strategy. I gave an agent my price range for example purposes max 1.8M. The agent replied got one house listed RM2mil can nego. So I gave it more thought nego means RM2mil max can become RM1.8M sounds like it is just tailored to my budget. This was exactly what I wanted to avoid no room to nego. Smack on my max budget. Then agent complain if I nego below 1.8M.

I am looking at new landed property, two story corner or end lot.
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post Sep 3 2016, 07:44 AM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Sep 3 2016, 07:07 AM)
Oh I thought you are looking at a particular place, like you already set your target on a particular project.
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I did some research, my budget more than 1Mil got a lot of choices actually. Can even get higher end Mont Kiara condo to KL city center condos down to landed property. So yeah I haven't set a target because I just started house hunting as first time buyer. Small kid in a big world of sharks haha
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post Sep 3 2016, 07:46 AM

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QUOTE(taitianhin @ Sep 2 2016, 05:45 PM)
If the house prices are okay, then you may need to know your baseline too...
Make a few Bank valuation first...please tend to make 10% lower on the offer price...and ask what is the max value for the house, from Banker...
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How to get bank valuation? Do I need to show that I have at least made a booking to purchase a property?
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post Sep 15 2016, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(LocalExpat @ Sep 15 2016, 02:24 PM)
Do banks charge anything for valuating a property?
For example is there an application fee for a loan, which triggers the property valuation step?
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There is a RM200 application fee for a loan if you choose to accept the offer. Not sure if there is a property valuation fee. I guess there should not be because the valuation is more important the the bank than the buyer actually. Or maybe covered in the RM200
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post Sep 15 2016, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(taitianhin @ Sep 5 2016, 02:02 PM)
Well...dont tend to follow what property agent said, becoz that favor them....lies are all around agent...

Usually, Property agent will crap abt sign offer letter then only giv u 2 weeks to find loan officer(for Loan Offer letter)

How I work is...
1. Check the price of the house around the same area...then note down the min and max of the price posted
2. Check out the house, call up a few agents...ask abt furnish, unfurnish...fish for low price too
**point 1-2, takes 3days -> 2 weeks

3. after viewing, call up a few banker/bank to get Loan officer contact. I will usually ask 3-4 banker. CIMB tend to be easier to get higher price, HSBC sometimes gave good rebate on approved (used to hav a RM10K loan rebate)
4. Let the agent know you look for loan officer..and no need sign offer. Well, he will say no offer letter sign mean no confirm...which is crap too. Currently is buyer market...let them wait long long...
5. Upon checking bank officer on the property min-max (obviously lowest price is the one u r looking for) Min price is ur baseline...max price is ur max price. Duh...why not..
Please bargain with bank on the BFR/BLR/BR rate, the higher (-) the rate the better
***point 3-5, takes up 2days-1 week

6. Bargain with agent/owner on the price, with the agreed price only sign the darn Offer letter...
7. Then go back to Banker and Bargain the BFR/BLR/BR rate

When the property is not urs..then is not....let agent/owner wait long long...
Buy house is a serious matter....please remember you have work for so many years just to have some saving to buy property....we gonna get every drop out of the RM you have earn, right?

Learn as much as you can on the process, mind your own business
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Thanks for the guidance. Very detailed and a good guide
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post Sep 20 2016, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(gkd @ Sep 20 2016, 10:38 AM)
Hi there,

I've been following the thread of this post and found it very interesting and informative. I am wondering how to nego for a property where the owner has asked us to give us a price. 

The area is in Bukit Jelutong, Shah Alam  - 16 year old suburb.  We like a property that is 2 story inter-corner (houses on both sides), 4700 sq feet, 5bedroom, 5 bathroom. It is a basic unit  - never been renovated.

How do I determine a price point in such a situation. 

Any and all help would be much appreciated.

Thank you
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Few things you need to do. This is the way I did it which I learned from LYN also

1. Do research on the area/Taman for the actual transacted property sales. I used brickz.com to get the report
2. Do research on property advertising websites like iproperty, propertyguru, propwall to see what is the price range of other houses being sold near the area or in the area itself
3. Don't be shy and try to talk to the neighbors. At times a lot of valuable information can be obtained
4. Before putting down a deposit get a valuer to value the property. Generally valuers are more conservative.
5. Try to fish information for the property agent how urgent is the owner to find a buyer
6. Lastly always be prepared to walk away from the deal if you feel it is not worth it. Sometimes the owner will look back for you.

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post Sep 22 2016, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(gkd @ Sep 21 2016, 04:15 PM)
Thank you very much for the suggestions.  So we have done a bank evaluation.  How close to the valuation should we offer considering the property market these days.

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I would offer 5% first. If no luck try 10%. I won't go above too much because bank may only approved your home loan based on the property valuation price. The difference between the valuation and actual sale price you have to top up with your own cash.

Read another topic whereby that was what happen to that buyer. He/She placed a booking fee for a property and later on found out it was overpriced and bank didn't want to approve the property sale price therefore the buyer stuck in between. Either lose booking fee or top up with cash which may be difficult.

 

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