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post Aug 30 2016, 10:33 AM, updated 11 months ago
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https://sg.news.yahoo.com/digi-perform-comp...-082640938.html



Praveen Rajan, Digi’s Chief Digital Officer, responded to the recent GrabGas controversy

Fourth from Left, Praveen Rajan, Digi’s Chief Digital Officer,

The Malaysian startup scene is currently buzzing with the recent GrabGas controversy, when a former CTO named Julian Ee blogged about how he got screwed over by the startup that delivers cooking gas, which has also recently secured funding from Digi. Things got out of control as the blog post went viral.

To cut a long story short, Julian was under the impression that he was joining GrabGas as equals when the team invited him to be “one of the shareholders”. Julian claimed GrabGas was using a misleading term (‘shareholder’) to bait him into joining the startup.


He also questioned why GrabGas didn’t invite him as an early employee and offer him an incentive equity package, instead of saying ‘shareholders’ and being vague about everything.

Julian finally left after a negotiation which he thought was unfair for him.

e27 has reached out to Digi with regard to this matter. Praveen Rajan, Digi’s Chief Digital Officer, responded:

Digi Accelerate is intended to nurture and grow new businesses, and we saw the potential in and opportunity to help GrabGas develop their business.
Having said that, we have a strict zero tolerance policy on proper business conduct by our partners, vendors and all parties within our value chain, and expect them to uphold the integrity of their way of work and dealings with us. In this respect, we will perform a comprehensive review with regards to this matter to ensure these standards are met and adhered to.



The GrabGas team is currently in the middle of a discussion to reach an understanding with Ee.
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post Aug 30 2016, 10:36 AM
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Byebye grabgas.. I doubt this startup will even success
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post Aug 30 2016, 10:38 AM
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i like Julian blog post of subtlety saying "GrabGas has nothing now that i left"
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post Aug 30 2016, 10:39 AM
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Name already macam sial

Sometimes i misread it as grabass

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QUOTE(mcchin @ Aug 30 2016, 10:33 AM)
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/digi-perform-comp...-082640938.html
Having said that, we have a strict zero tolerance policy on proper business conduct by our partners, vendors...
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QUOTE(Frostlord @ Aug 30 2016, 10:38 AM)
i like Julian blog post of subtlety saying "GrabGas has nothing now that i left"
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They can't even get a website up because he took it with them. It is really not that hard to put up a website doh.gif
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post Aug 30 2016, 10:46 AM
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post Aug 30 2016, 10:47 AM
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QUOTE(pastacarbonara @ Aug 30 2016, 10:42 AM)
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I think it's a sic? maybe?
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post Aug 30 2016, 10:49 AM
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damage is done
and the company reputation are badly damage
just like the ex-cto wrote in his blog
he trying to get an opinion of those digi mentor regarding the dispute
but the company founder reluctant to cooperated
they just bunch of arrogant entrepreneurs

and if digi continues to funding and help this company
will the company survive ??
only times will tell on how good digi PR are...
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post Aug 30 2016, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Aug 30 2016, 10:44 AM)
They can't even get a website up because he took it with them. It is really not that hard to put up a website  doh.gif
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the sean hoo n gabriel guy r not IT grads

while the jeson lee guy is just a 19 year old 1st year IT student

all noobshits
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post Aug 30 2016, 10:54 AM
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Obviously the Digi committee who approved this funding doesn't do their homework properly. Head must roll I would say.
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Aug 30 2016, 10:44 AM)
They can't even get a website up because he took it with them. It is really not that hard to put up a website  doh.gif
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yupe
just a simple landing page will do
+ form for order

if later the go with wix
total screw up
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post Aug 30 2016, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE(andrealiew @ Aug 30 2016, 10:51 AM)
the sean hoo n gabriel guy r not IT grads

while the jeson lee guy is just a 19 year old 1st year IT student

all noobshits
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read comment on their app google play page
the only 5* comment is from their own CMO sweat.gif

only 2 comment in total
2.8* average

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just re-read the blog

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how come Julian didnt suspect anything when Samson is not in the whatsapp group? no point in having multiple group for shareholder discussion right?
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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Aug 30 2016, 10:57 AM)
read comment on their app google play page
the only 5* comment is from their own CMO  sweat.gif

only 2 comment in total
2.8* average

lel
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still got app? i thought Julian take it with him? Or is this the JSON text dump app? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(WinkyJr @ Aug 30 2016, 10:57 AM)
read comment on their app google play page
the only 5* comment is from their own CMO  sweat.gif

only 2 comment in total
2.8* average

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a bunch of retards, nw i really hope digi get back the funding n sue them for giving false information
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post Aug 30 2016, 11:01 AM
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from the website

sheet company is even feeding fake info to digi
as julian says in the blog
the nego is finished on August 5th
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Imagine the backlash from other startups that lost to GG due to fake data/info provided to Digi. Sure kantoi Digi kao kao for simply accepting without checking.
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QUOTE(Frostlord @ Aug 30 2016, 10:59 AM)
just re-read the blog

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how come Julian didnt suspect anything when Samson is not in the whatsapp group? no point in having multiple group for shareholder discussion right?
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cos samson is just an 'early employee' whose payment for his services r meals during company meetings or trips
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QUOTE(Frostlord @ Aug 30 2016, 10:59 AM)
just re-read the blog

hmm.gif

how come Julian didnt suspect anything when Samson is not in the whatsapp group? no point in having multiple group for shareholder discussion right?
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the trappings of working with a friend
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QUOTE(mcchin @ Aug 30 2016, 11:01 AM)
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from the website

sheet company is even feeding fake info to digi
as julian says in the blog
the nego is finished on August 5th
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At this stage, I wouldn't trust any of the founding members.
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QUOTE(Randomization @ Aug 30 2016, 11:01 AM)
Imagine the backlash from other startups that lost to GG due to fake data/info provided to Digi. Sure kantoi Digi kao kao for simply accepting without checking.
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Actually
without having Julian blogpost

none of these is detectable
especially with so many others vying for the prize as well
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post Aug 30 2016, 11:09 AM
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I have no idea what is this all about. Any link for the story?
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QUOTE(mcchin @ Aug 30 2016, 11:01 AM)
user posted image

from the website

sheet company is even feeding fake info to digi
as julian says in the blog
the nego is finished on August 5th
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we seriously need a popcorn emoticons for this laugh.gif
anyone close with the mod pls suggest

inb4 : grabgas replied saying they're contacting the founder CTO laugh.gif (1 day work for few months)
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QUOTE(mcchin @ Aug 30 2016, 11:03 AM)
the trappings of working with a friend
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anyway lets enjoy the show. its not easy to find such drama with big players involved cheers.gif
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post Aug 30 2016, 11:11 AM
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Greed usually led to one's downfall. if greed manifest early in such startup, say bye bye and there goes reputation as well. One has only LIMITED CHANCES in proving themselves.

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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Aug 30 2016, 11:09 AM)
I have no idea what is this all about. Any link for the story?
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http://julianee.com/a-tale-of-lies-and-dec...crewed-me-over/

tl;dr: grabgas founders conned the CTO to join by promising he was a founder then subsequently said he was only an employee, then they become assholes to his quest to get proper compensation. So he took all his work and leave the company. Grabgas don't even have a website functioning now, because they proper noob who lied about their figures to get funding.
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QUOTE(RoyMcAvoy @ Aug 30 2016, 10:54 AM)
Obviously the Digi committee who approved this funding doesn't do their homework properly. Head must roll I would say.
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Its not their fault. They can't micro-manage every single startup that they mentor.
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QUOTE(G_KeN @ Aug 30 2016, 11:09 AM)
I have no idea what is this all about. Any link for the story?
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the gist

1. Grabgas have idea, uber of gas delivery
2. start shitty, actual manual work to accept order and physically call ppl to deliver
3. original site techie didnt deliver the good
4. Julian comes in to do a proper site, under the pretext of being a share holder, but no black and white
5. GG goes from bigger and bigger and registered as company, and nego with petron and got selected for Digi Accelerate (google it)
6. Julian find out he is not a shareholder as promise.
7. nego nego in the end GG give shitty excuses this and that
8. Julian no choice to pack up and take all things under his name to go, again cause no black and white
9. GG website revert to linking back to facebook
10. Digi now say will look into the case


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Why back to the shit hole when in the 1st place the founding team already screwed him upside down.
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QUOTE(Doomsday @ Aug 30 2016, 11:17 AM)
Why back to the shit hole when in the 1st place the founding team already screwed him upside down.
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?

dont understand
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QUOTE(mcchin @ Aug 30 2016, 11:17 AM)
the gist

1. Grabgas have idea, uber of gas delivery
2. start shitty, actual manual work to accept order and physically call ppl to deliver
3. original site techie didnt deliver the good
4. Julian comes in to do a proper site, under the pretext of being a share holder, but no black and white
5. GG goes from bigger and bigger and registered as company, and nego with petron and got selected for  Digi Accelerate (google it)
6. Julian find out he is not a shareholder as promise.
7. nego nego in the end GG give shitty excuses this and that
8. Julian no choice to pack up and take all things under his name to go, again cause no black and white
9. GG website revert to linking back to facebook
10. Digi now say will look into the case
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Kesian, no proper website. using FB messenger to make orders. Just like rempit-startup selling vape juice.
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QUOTE(mcchin @ Aug 30 2016, 11:19 AM)
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What I mean the Tech Guy, Julian should have not back to GG anymore. It's ethics that makes the company different but in this case, GG screwed Julian up from the start.

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Its not their fault. They can't micro-manage every single startup that they mentor.
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how hard is it to ask those startups to show proof of their sales/revenue or invoices etc when they select the winners?

they r selecting startups to invest 250k each, so easy to just select the winners, i say my startup every month 100k orders n digi just believe without doing any due diligence? damn, i oso wan to creaye a startup n dupe digi now

n they oni select 3 winners, how hard is it to mentor 3 startups?
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QUOTE(Doomsday @ Aug 30 2016, 11:21 AM)
What I mean the Tech Guy, Julian should have not back to GG anymore. It's ethics that makes the company different but in this case, GG screwed Julian up from the start.
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well
he did sort of say his own fault taking lightly of the situation due to friendship

and reminds people to not be blinded by it

QUOTE(andrealiew @ Aug 30 2016, 11:23 AM)
how hard is it to ask those startups to show proof of their sales/revenue or invoices etc when they select the winners?

they r selecting startups to invest 250k each, so easy to just select the winners, i say my startup every month 100k orders n digi just believe without doing any due diligence? damn, i oso wan to creaye a startup n dupe digi now

n they oni select 3 winners, how hard is it to mentor 3 startups?
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perfect storm maybe

well
when they got the digi stuff

the cto still under nego, with the site still running
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QUOTE(maxsullivan69 @ Aug 30 2016, 11:25 AM)
this is why its good to backstab ur ceo.................mutually destruction 9 11 twin tower die together

u think u siapa hah??
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well
julian is taking it good, he is not out right attacking GG

can NOT go too extreme, if not other company might be apprehensive to employing you

julian himself already ask people not to go mob-style on GG

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i have no idea what happening can anyone explain?
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QUOTE(mcchin @ Aug 30 2016, 11:26 AM)
well
he did sort of say his own fault taking lightly of the situation due to friendship

and reminds people to not be blinded by it
perfect storm maybe

well
when they got the digi stuff

the cto still under nego, with the site still running
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but when the site still running, their orders r like less than 5 per day, n they go brag it to b like more than 100 orders a day, n say they earn profit etc

n digi believed it without any checking
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QUOTE(RallyNight @ Aug 30 2016, 11:29 AM)
i have no idea what happening can anyone explain?
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see post #30 la ish ish ish

anyway, someone from digi conlanfirm tio fried cuttlefish
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So GrabGas founders names tainted in the entrepreneur industry now
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QUOTE(dante1989 @ Aug 30 2016, 11:32 AM)
see post #30 la ish ish ish

anyway, someone from digi conlanfirm tio fried cuttlefish
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not digi la inside grabshit tldr
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QUOTE(RallyNight @ Aug 30 2016, 11:32 AM)
not digi la inside grabshit tldr
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yalaaa the grabshit tldr is in post #30 in page 2

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QUOTE(RallyNight @ Aug 30 2016, 11:32 AM)
not digi la inside grabshit tldr
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cause it is still new with digi doing a more comprehensive review stuff

wat to say anymore

stay tune for more stories to unfold
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GG is practically finished unless they got strong cable and somehow manage to convince digi to stay afloat. julian have the upper hand right now, he can choose to sell everything back to GG with very high price or just find another investor. he got the tech and experience, he just need a good business sense partner.


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julian should start his own gas startup now. ubergas, sure i will suppok
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So if I and team came out a proper system to take gas orders + delivery like GG. Am I plagiarizing their business model?

/discuss
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QUOTE(swks26 @ Aug 30 2016, 11:32 AM)
So GrabGas founders names tainted in the entrepreneur industry now
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well it seems to going down the toilet as more and more exposure to the blogpost
this digi re-review is quite damning to say the least


QUOTE(maxsullivan69 @ Aug 30 2016, 11:35 AM)
the hell wif future n career

make blood boilin

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I respect your way of thinking
and also julians way

difference of opinion, I guess
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QUOTE(Doomsday @ Aug 30 2016, 11:21 AM)
What I mean the Tech Guy, Julian should have not back to GG anymore. It's ethics that makes the company different but in this case, GG screwed Julian up from the start.
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thats where this gets more interesting. GG say they are sorting this out with their Former CEO. Julian say he's not in contact with GG

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QUOTE(Doomsday @ Aug 30 2016, 11:37 AM)
So if I and team came out a proper system to take gas orders + delivery like GG. Am I plagiarizing their business model?

/discuss
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absolutely no, u will just b a competitor to grabgas, faster go find the julian ee guy n cooperate wif him

n make sure he is the founder n hold considerable shares in it icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(andrealiew @ Aug 30 2016, 11:39 AM)
absolutely no, u will just b a competitor to grabgas, faster go find the julian ee guy n cooperate wif him

n make sure he is the founder n hold considerable shares in it icon_idea.gif  icon_idea.gif
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is GG is already GG'ed... take this opportunity combo kill GrabGas and make this business model into success. INSTA WIN since the exposure is already huge.

Sounds like a plan brows.gif
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QUOTE(jacckl @ Aug 30 2016, 11:37 AM)
GG is practically finished unless they got strong cable and somehow manage to convince digi to stay afloat. julian have the upper hand right now, he can choose to sell everything back to GG with very high price or just find another investor. he got the tech and experience, he just need a good business sense partner.
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julian did try to be reasonable
he knows GG is good stuff potentially
and willing to sell back at 40k + some equity

but GG want to sever totally

no way julian gonna sell off one shot, while potentially the company can go big

QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Aug 30 2016, 11:37 AM)
julian should start his own gas startup now. ubergas, sure i will suppok
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nah..
to much bad publicity and/or controversy
don't do business for the sake of emotions

QUOTE(Doomsday @ Aug 30 2016, 11:37 AM)
So if I and team came out a proper system to take gas orders + delivery like GG. Am I plagiarizing their business model?

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as i dont see what system is GG using
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QUOTE(andrealiew @ Aug 30 2016, 11:23 AM)
how hard is it to ask those startups to show proof of their sales/revenue or invoices etc when they select the winners?

they r selecting startups to invest 250k each, so easy to just select the winners, i say my startup every month 100k orders n digi just believe without doing any due diligence? damn, i oso wan to creaye a startup n dupe digi now

n they oni select 3 winners, how hard is it to mentor 3 startups?
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little to no due diligence been made. really cant think how to rationalise Digi's decision. PR said will do comprehensive review, mybe admitting mistake?

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QUOTE(andrealiew @ Aug 30 2016, 11:23 AM)
how hard is it to ask those startups to show proof of their sales/revenue or invoices etc when they select the winners?

they r selecting startups to invest 250k each, so easy to just select the winners, i say my startup every month 100k orders n digi just believe without doing any due diligence? damn, i oso wan to creaye a startup n dupe digi now

n they oni select 3 winners, how hard is it to mentor 3 startups?
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Figures can be fudged.

You'll be surprised how many startups balance on a fine knife edge just to make everything look rosy until the moment it all falls apart should they fail to get the required funding at just the required moment.
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QUOTE(Doomsday @ Aug 30 2016, 11:42 AM)
is GG is already GG'ed... take this opportunity combo kill GrabGas and make this business model into success. INSTA WIN since the exposure is already huge.

Sounds like a plan  brows.gif
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QUOTE(mcchin @ Aug 30 2016, 11:42 AM)
julian did try to be reasonable
he knows GG is good stuff potentially
and willing to sell back at 40k + some equity

but GG want to sever totally

no way julian gonna sell off one shot, while potentially the company can go big
nah..
to much bad publicity and/or controversy
don't do business for the sake of emotions
malaysia still good
as i dont see what system is GG using
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QUOTE(arubin @ Aug 30 2016, 11:42 AM)
Figures can be fudged.

You'll be surprised how many startups balance on a fine knife edge just to make everything look rosy until the moment it all falls apart should they fail to get the required funding at just the required moment.
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yes figures can be fudged, that is why due diligence comes in handy, if a company tell u they earn millions a month u dont go blindly believe them n invest your hard earned money in it, u do due diligence first, check their company background, check their financial status etc, wat digi is doing now is just blindly believe wat grabgas told them n stupidly go invest on a scam company that faked their data/performance
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QUOTE(mcchin @ Aug 30 2016, 11:42 AM)
julian did try to be reasonable
he knows GG is good stuff potentially
and willing to sell back at 40k + some equity

but GG want to sever totally

no way julian gonna sell off one shot, while potentially the company can go big
nah..
to much bad publicity and/or controversy
don't do business for the sake of emotions
malaysia still good
as i dont see what system is GG using
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i believe GG short on cash after they splurge on their BKK-company-getaway
Julian offer RM40k + 2% equity also they cannot give
they can only offer up to 30k
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+1

little to no due diligence been made. really cant think how to rationalise Digi's decision. PR said will do comprehensive review, mybe admitting mistake?
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Maybe more pressure to digi can the GG goes down

digi is big enuff to admit problems, and can easily ditch any startups, just like that

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they are going to the sheethole when in final discussion with julian
and they havent the forsight to get another help in bringing some semblance of their former site back up?

reall GG'ed liou
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QUOTE(andrealiew @ Aug 30 2016, 11:23 AM)
how hard is it to ask those startups to show proof of their sales/revenue or invoices etc when they select the winners?

they r selecting startups to invest 250k each, so easy to just select the winners, i say my startup every month 100k orders n digi just believe without doing any due diligence? damn, i oso wan to creaye a startup n dupe digi now

n they oni select 3 winners, how hard is it to mentor 3 startups?
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+1

That's the thing I was trying to say in the other thread.

If so easy to get 250k I also want go start my own start up.

250k is not a pocket change you can give around and not care

Out of the 3 winners grabgas is a scam what about the other 2 winners?

And what about those who compete legit and they lost because some scum bag lie about their sales and revenue.

Digi just close eye pick or there is another story behind
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QUOTE(andrealiew @ Aug 30 2016, 11:46 AM)
yes figures can be fudged, that is why due diligence comes in handy, if a company tell u they earn millions a month u dont go blindly believe them n invest your hard earned money in it, u do due diligence first, check their company background, check their financial status etc, wat digi is doing now is just blindly believe wat grabgas told them n stupidly go invest on a scam company that faked their data/performance
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well, I mean as a startup program, issues of discrepancies is to be expected
mainly is to find good ideas with solid plans to support

maybe digi did drop the ball
but they can easily claim being dupe kao kao by GG

QUOTE(Frostlord @ Aug 30 2016, 11:46 AM)
i believe GG short on cash after they splurge on their BKK-company-getaway
Julian offer RM40k + 2% equity also they cannot give
they can only offer up to 30k
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Ohhh crap.. just saw the pics of the GG team. I met Samson b4 at some event back few years ago.. small world huh.

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QUOTE(Frostlord @ Aug 30 2016, 11:46 AM)
i believe GG short on cash after they splurge on their BKK-company-getaway
Julian offer RM40k + 2% equity also they cannot give
they can only offer up to 30k
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their thailand trip is actualy a bootcamp by digi la, all funded by digi, they were thr for 3 months

they r just stingy n think that the tech is not worth 30k n above, dat is why they dont want to buy it for 40k

well, now it come back to haunt them laugh.gif
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QUOTE(andrealiew @ Aug 30 2016, 11:51 AM)
their thailand trip is actualy a bootcamp by digi la, all funded by digi, they were thr for 3 months

they r just stingy n think that the tech is not worth 30k n above, dat is why they dont want to buy it for 40k

well, now it come back to haunt them laugh.gif
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I believe julian can accept lower price but increase equity
then when the company goes big or small, he is also in the same boat

but seems like GG is reluctant to even give in to that

hence it seems the GG team have little faith on the product themselves
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QUOTE(andrealiew @ Aug 30 2016, 11:51 AM)
their thailand trip is actualy a bootcamp by digi la, all funded by digi, they were thr for 3 months

they r just stingy n think that the tech is not worth 30k n above, dat is why they dont want to buy it for 40k

well, now it come back to haunt them laugh.gif
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hmm.gif
i counted 12 ppl in the picture
i dont think Digi funded all 12 there. the founder (3) maybe but the rest..
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QUOTE(mcchin @ Aug 30 2016, 11:47 AM)
Maybe more pressure to digi can the GG goes down

digi is big enuff to admit problems, and can easily ditch any startups, just like that
i mean,
they are going to the sheethole when in final discussion with julian
and they havent the forsight to get another help in bringing some semblance of their former site back up?

reall GG'ed liou
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No idea what system they are using. now look back at main site of www.grabgas.com nothing in there.

Not a single index.html page. Seems they just can't hire someone like Julian to create a site to take orders + delivery? hmm.gif
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I believe julian can accept lower price but increase equity
then when the company goes big or small, he is also in the same boat

but seems like GG is reluctant to even give in to that

hence it seems the GG team have little faith on the product themselves
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yeah, julian did say he oni wanted equity at the beginning without salary etc, but GG oni willing to giv him 10% over 3 years, which he rejected, n GG say 10% over 3 years is the most they can give

then julian say he dun wan equity n just 60k for everything he had done, GG say fark off, oni willing to pay 30k laugh.gif

i think the 3 retards just wan to max out the profit they get from the funding n after that selling the company, imagine nw 250k split among the 3, then after that mayb cn sell their company for 1 million or more

so they die die oso wont surrender their equity to julian
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QUOTE(Doomsday @ Aug 30 2016, 11:56 AM)
No idea what system they are using. now look back at main site of www.grabgas.com nothing in there.

Not a single index.html page. Seems they just can't hire someone like Julian to create a site to take orders + delivery?  hmm.gif
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every "shareholders" taken their share
and no one of those "shareholders" is willing to invest on a sinking boat, perhaps?
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QUOTE(Frostlord @ Aug 30 2016, 11:54 AM)
hmm.gif
i counted 12 ppl in the picture
i dont think Digi funded all 12 there. the founder (3) maybe but the rest..
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oh, then mayb the other 9 ppl is funded by GG, no wonder no money liao laugh.gif
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every "shareholders" taken their share
and no one of those "shareholders" is willing to invest on a sinking boat, perhaps?
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It's a very good business model and had Petron pumped some investment into GG? No?

Maybe too eager to gain the 1st 5 digit cash in hand tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Doomsday @ Aug 30 2016, 11:56 AM)
No idea what system they are using. now look back at main site of www.grabgas.com nothing in there.

Not a single index.html page. Seems they just can't hire someone like Julian to create a site to take orders + delivery?  hmm.gif
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the old website by julian is pretty gud

hiring ppl to create a website costs some money, n they want it to be done very fast, so ppl surely chop them kao kao wan whistling.gif
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ceo and gang think sales and pitching is important, meanwhile cto thinks tech side is more important, so cto flip table pull out the website and see who survives.

digi should be more careful when evaluating pitching presentation scams

korrect?

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QUOTE(andrealiew @ Aug 30 2016, 12:02 PM)
the old website by julian is pretty gud

hiring ppl to create a website costs some money, n they want it to be done very fast, so ppl surely chop them kao kao wan whistling.gif
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not needed fast fast

it is actually the origianl guy bailed out on them

so they were running a business with no system inplace

julian comes in to mop the muck up and get them back on the road (according to julian laa)
and it shows, until the nego breakdown that is

now it really show the incompetencies of the 3 founders in handling this sheet

QUOTE(anangryorc @ Aug 30 2016, 12:02 PM)
ceo and gang think sales and pitching is important, meanwhile cto thinks tech side is more important, so cto flip table pull out the website and see who survives.

digi should be more careful when evaluating pitching presentation scams

korrect?
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well this time julian might get it right
but yanking the table from under anyone can come across as unreliable and dangerous employee

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never startup a company with people. xD
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memang.. julian was a dumbass for the blind trust in mere words.
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memang.. julian was a dumbass for the blind trust in mere words.
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cos julian trusted them as friends n tot they wont do dat to him

but nw they betrayed julian, julian was indeed dumb at first for not having black n white when dealing wif anybody even frens

n nw he learned it the hard way
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Yes, I get that ordering gas can sometimes be a problem - but is it a burning RM100K ++ problem that you need a CEO, CTO and other C-level people to solve?? I'm not convinced

Anyway, once you have the number of your trusted gas guy - they come pretty quickly. Within the hour in my experience.

Also, how many times a year do we order gas? 2,3,4?

Are they also supplying to restaurants? or only personal use?
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name also want to copy half

muka also macam constipated, speech like orang cacat like that

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They can't even get a website up because he took it with them. It is really not that hard to put up a website  doh.gif
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But for some people with 0 understanding of how webpages work is like telling jibkor to lay bricks.
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user posted image

from the website

sheet company is even feeding fake info to digi
as julian says in the blog
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Yes, I get that ordering gas can sometimes be a problem - but is it a burning RM100K ++ problem that you need a CEO, CTO and other C-level people to solve?? I'm not convinced

Anyway, once you have the number of your trusted gas guy - they come pretty quickly. Within the hour in my experience.

Also, how many times a year do we order gas? 2,3,4?

Are they also supplying to restaurants? or only personal use?
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Yes! Gas guy in my case arrived in my door step in less than 30mins cooking can resume quickly !

When you're new to an area, just go round and see any gas cylinder display in front of mini market, that your gas guy!
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You got some html knowledge sure la easy. Using templates also easy.
But for some people with 0 understanding of how webpages work is like telling jibkor to lay bricks.
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They have 250k from Digi, hire some diploma holder with HTML knowledge probably 2k a month also can. Says a lot about so-called 'hot' startups.
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They have 250k from Digi, hire some diploma holder with HTML knowledge probably 2k a month also can. Says a lot about so-called 'hot' startups.
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lol... no need la, with USD100 can get a freelancer from india to create a simple form on the front page already.
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now it really show the incompetencies of the 3 founders in handling this sheet

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QUOTE(waters @ Aug 30 2016, 10:02 AM)
Yes, I get that ordering gas can sometimes be a problem - but is it a burning RM100K ++ problem that you need a CEO, CTO and other C-level people to solve?? I'm not convinced

Anyway, once you have the number of your trusted gas guy - they come pretty quickly. Within the hour in my experience.

Also, how many times a year do we order gas? 2,3,4?

Are they also supplying to restaurants? or only personal use?
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I honestly don't remember any hassle of ordering gas. My mom just go to kedai runcit and tell the boss. They will come on the same day or next day (my mom is not working, so maybe she can afford the time).

But I saw the screenshot of grabgas order form, the say delivery is 1-3 days within a 3 hour period (e.g. 9am -12 pm). That seems like quite a long wait, doesn't it?
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I honestly don't remember any hassle of ordering gas. My mom just go to kedai runcit and tell the boss. They will come on the same day or next day  (my mom is not working, so maybe she can afford the time).

But I saw the screenshot of grabgas order form, the say delivery is 1-3 days within a 3 hour period (e.g. 9am -12 pm). That seems like quite a long wait, doesn't it?
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well

my home use a steady gas
usually 1 tank last ~ 40 days
and by the time the 2nd tank (yes my home have 2 tank) is used to ~20 day
i just use my car to carry to the shop (cause lower price, better quality tank, and on the way to sat/sun morning breakfast/shopping)

99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% never shortage of gas

potential missed remember or crappy tank from disreputable seller
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QUOTE(jonoave @ Aug 30 2016, 04:52 PM)
I honestly don't remember any hassle of ordering gas. My mom just go to kedai runcit and tell the boss. They will come on the same day or next day  (my mom is not working, so maybe she can afford the time).

But I saw the screenshot of grabgas order form, the say delivery is 1-3 days within a 3 hour period (e.g. 9am -12 pm). That seems like quite a long wait, doesn't it?
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liek that how to solve the gas problem.. I cook my ikan bakar half way no gas, I tekan app order, 3 hari baru sampai. TOPKEK1!!1!1!!!!
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QUOTE(Doomsday @ Aug 30 2016, 12:01 PM)
liek that how to solve the gas problem.. I cook my ikan bakar half way no gas, I tekan app order, 3 hari baru sampai. TOPKEK1!!1!1!!!!
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I guess that's why most household have 2 tong gas? I remember my mom ask me to switch the tong gas (roll out old one, put the spare one next to it to connect the gas pipe cos it was quite short).
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liek that how to solve the gas problem.. I cook my ikan bakar half way no gas, I tekan app order, 3 hari baru sampai. TOPKEK1!!1!1!!!!
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3 days duneed to eat laugh.gif laugh.gif
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lol... no need la, with USD100 can get a freelancer from india to create a simple form on the front page already.
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sure go ahead and try. don't be suprized if it doesn't come working smile.gif
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erm..
still got ppl use gas?
I use electric stove and other electric appliances now
haha
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erm..
still got ppl use gas?
I use electric stove and other electric appliances now
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induction cooker?

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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Aug 30 2016, 05:15 PM)
induction cooker?
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that+microwave+steamer+rice cooker

just read the short story.
Ok,he's really dumb
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I just tie plastic bag on my gate and the gas man magically comes to deliver.
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I just tie plastic bag on my gate and the gas man magically comes to deliver.
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dafark got such thing?
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i wonder if any intern still working for them for free? laugh.gif
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haha
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QUOTE(Doomsday @ Aug 30 2016, 11:37 AM)
So if I and team came out a proper system to take gas orders + delivery like GG. Am I plagiarizing their business model?

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QUOTE(maxsullivan69 @ Aug 30 2016, 11:41 AM)
is celcom plagiarisin time dotcom?
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come lets do it

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Kesian, no proper website. using FB messenger to make orders. Just like rempit-startup selling vape juice.
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Those vape juice stores pun making more money than GG
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They might have just got caught up in the whole startup frenzy. Hipster trend la.

I don't think they had the general corporate and life experience to pull it off (judging from their presentation pitches), but of course that is where Digi comes in as their mentor.

Their FB page has interesting comments - one that took attention was the potential corruption involved.

If anyone is interested you can check their FB page, search for Grabgas. Look for the post which has the most comments - and grab not your gas, but your popcorn.
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They might have just got caught up in the whole startup frenzy. Hipster trend la.

I don't think they had the general corporate and life experience to pull it off (judging from their presentation pitches), but of course that is where Digi comes in as their mentor.

Their FB page has interesting comments - one that took attention was the potential corruption involved.

If anyone is interested you can check their FB page, search for Grabgas. Look for the post which has the most comments - and grab not your gas, but your popcorn.
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You can read the initial blog post that triggered the controversy here:

julianee.com/a-tale-of-lies-and-deceit-my-experience-on-how-grabgas-screwed-me-over/
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actually wat is grabgas?
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QUOTE(Sesshoumaru @ Aug 31 2016, 03:46 AM)
They might have just got caught up in the whole startup frenzy. Hipster trend la.

I don't think they had the general corporate and life experience to pull it off (judging from their presentation pitches), but of course that is where Digi comes in as their mentor.

Their FB page has interesting comments - one that took attention was the potential corruption involved.

If anyone is interested you can check their FB page, search for Grabgas. Look for the post which has the most comments - and grab not your gas, but your popcorn.
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To be honest, I'll be hesitant to comment on possible corruption until there's more solid evidence of it. There's always a certain amount of trust involved for such competitions, and very very very rarely do they ask to see your source code. They're more concerned on how solid your team and business plan is. Technology can always be improved on later, but they do at least need to have a MVP level product running, which they did at the time they were pitching to Digi.

It does sound like they're trying to hide a lot of things from the Digi mentor as well, looking at their comments in the whatsapp conversation about:
1) not wanting to bring this payment/renumeration issue to the Digi mentor
2) not comfortable with revealing why they do not want to bring the issue to the Digi mentor.

It very looks very much to me like a bunch of n00bs trying to play corporate politics without the experience to pull it off.

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still got ppl use gas?
I use electric stove and other electric appliances now
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I still use a gas stove. And purposely looked for a gas stove when I moved house early this year. Still cannot get used to using an electric stove.

Interesting thing is, even though its a new neighborhood and all that, there were already name cards for gas delivery in my mailbox. Convenient too, don't even need to call. Just SMS my address to the number on the card, and 30 minutes later the guy's here with a new tank of gas.
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never startup a company with people. xD
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What should we start a company with then smile.gif

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What should we start a company with then smile.gif
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somebody told me he was planning AI bots. not sure if he was kidding or not.
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