the hardest steel of all and until today with all our tech we can't produce steel harder than Damascus steel?
is damascus steel really that powerful?
is damascus steel really that powerful?
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Aug 29 2016, 05:21 PM, updated 10y ago
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the hardest steel of all and until today with all our tech we can't produce steel harder than Damascus steel?
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Aug 29 2016, 05:25 PM
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Hard steel ~= good steel.
We muse steel because it is ductile enough to be safe, but hard enough to be strong. Cannot be both at the same time. |
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vibranium > all
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Yes i use it for my Sword of Agility
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Adamantium or Vibranium is better.
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Pakai je la depleted uranium
Stab your enemies AND give them cancer |
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think this is the highest attack for dagger type of weapon. with 2 slot.
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its a myth. our modern mass produced steel is stronger especially the high carbon 1060 steel
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Dulu la Damascus memang stronk
Nowadays got many kinds of steel that are much stronger because of better smelting process |
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QUOTE(hvk13 @ Aug 29 2016, 05:27 PM) it is not. there are plenty of Damascus steel swords left. Saudi king has one. the method to produce has been lost and the best swords in the world are Damascus steel made. even more deadly than Japanese katana. |
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Valyrian steel
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Good tech? Sure.
Can't replicate yet? Not till the exact ways are discovered. Nothing is better? What you smoking? Lol. |
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Do forced patina auto hardness +20
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QUOTE(GnomeMage @ Aug 29 2016, 05:28 PM) it is not. there are plenty of Damascus steel swords left. Saudi king has one. the method to produce has been lost and the best swords in the world are Damascus steel made. even more deadly than Japanese katana. dude. Japanese katana using ciplak metal la. Many weapons is more deadly than katana |
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Cannot kill White Walker also no point.
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QUOTE(GnomeMage @ Aug 29 2016, 05:28 PM) it is not. there are plenty of Damascus steel swords left. Saudi king has one. the method to produce has been lost and the best swords in the world are Damascus steel made. even more deadly than Japanese katana. Meh light Saber can cut Damascus steel like butter |
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QUOTE(GnomeMage @ Aug 29 2016, 05:28 PM) it is not. there are plenty of Damascus steel swords left. Saudi king has one. the method to produce has been lost and the best swords in the world are Damascus steel made. even more deadly than Japanese katana. katana steel is actually not that good. only the method is unique allowing poor raw material to have some strength.fun fact, the fabled valyrian steel in game of thrones is based on the real-life damascus steel. |
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Lol bullshit. For it's generation, maybe yes.
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kryptonite better, can melt steel
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see what characteristic u wan ma, u wan rigid , high Young's Modulus , u wan ductile, u wan corrosion resistant owat...diff character serves diff purpose.
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The amount of people brainwashed and simply believe in here is staggering, i tot /k semua pandai pandai punya, bukan ka?
BTW Damascus sword is sharp due to carbon nanotubes, it's definitely not hard, a rock is harder lmao |
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QUOTE(sad_ticket @ Aug 29 2016, 05:41 PM) So which steel is good. Maybe you will say China steel or Nun Chuck steel right. Truth hurts right?In K/ later on they will say evrything from China is the best steel make on earth because k/ love to protek "orang kite" If its so good then why nobody can reproduce it anymore? Forgotten skill? |
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In ancient world, there’s a myth about indestructible armor and weapon or sword that can split a stone in one slide. Well, according to the historian sword expert, Prof. Dr. Peter Paufler of Germany, there is one sword that proof to have the ability to slice any hard object into 2 pieces with one slice. It is the sword owned and used by Salahuddin Al Ayyubi.
It is the sharpest sword in world history recognized by metallurgical experts (what is metallurgical experts?). Its sharpness is able to penetrate armor crusader, cut two opposing swords, shields and stone splitting without damage or blunt to the sword edge. The legendary sword made famous by Damascus and Persian has overcome the greatness of Japanese Katana sword and the sword Excalibur of King Arthur. What is the sword made of? The sword is forged with steel “DaMarcus” secret technique that is coated with CNT (Carbon Nano Tubes), which makes it is very sharp and light weight. Their Secret art of sword-making is greatly admired by Western families and modern metallurgical studies. We on this modern age are still not able to produce high-tech sword (NANO technology) of the Islamic civilization in the period of the 11th-12th century. What the CNT? CNT is a chain of carbon atoms bound between each other in a hexagonal cylinder having a diameter as small as 1-2 nano-meters. The cylindrical CNT may reach a length so that tens of microns and closed at the tip portion as if a piece of pipe that is closed in both two edges. Characterization performed on this material also explains THAT CNT has the highest strength compared to other materials. It also has properties of electrical conduction exceeded copper and metal. The uniqueness of carbon nano is having resistance to high temperatures and have a body that is lighter than aluminum. So in combat, the light weight of the sword can be advantage to the wielder. see also: video of Salahuddin Al Ayyubi Sword NANO technology using steel “DaMarcus” which is also called wootz. The iron ore contains a number of elements Carbon percentages. In addition to iron and carbon, elements such as chromium, manganese, cobalt is also coupled to add more strength, sharpness and flexibility. Salahuddin Al-Ayubi lead the Army of Islam in the Crusades with this unseen sword making technology in the period of the 12th Century. This sword making techniques are so secret till only a few families blacksmith in Damascus are mastered. Finally in the period of the 18th, this sword making technology have been lost and forgotten. What remains is swords, spears and knives that are now scattered in different Museum worldwide. Just to remind us that technology of Islamic civilization has been lost in ages. |
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Unobtainium is the hardest. got wiki page for it. scarce to impossible to find on earth. the few that we got went to design high grade full body armor equipped with an AI. this one is dubbed the best body armor human yet to make to date.
Also it is widely documented with video and audio of it in outer space in one of the stars few thousand lightyears away called pandora. It a good thing we have google. do your homework. its on the net and on wiki. obviously this can be trusted. I have faith in the internet. |
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Saw a Damascus kitchen knife... sold a staggering price.. the pattern on the knife is nice thou.
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Mithril > All
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Topkek now all use russian Ak47 only QUOTE(izaydi @ Aug 29 2016, 05:50 PM) In ancient world, there’s a myth about indestructible armor and weapon or sword that can split a stone in one slide. Well, according to the historian sword expert, Prof. Dr. Peter Paufler of Germany, there is one sword that proof to have the ability to slice any hard object into 2 pieces with one slice. It is the sword owned and used by Salahuddin Al Ayyubi. It is the sharpest sword in world history recognized by metallurgical experts (what is metallurgical experts?). Its sharpness is able to penetrate armor crusader, cut two opposing swords, shields and stone splitting without damage or blunt to the sword edge. The legendary sword made famous by Damascus and Persian has overcome the greatness of Japanese Katana sword and the sword Excalibur of King Arthur. What is the sword made of? The sword is forged with steel “DaMarcus” secret technique that is coated with CNT (Carbon Nano Tubes), which makes it is very sharp and light weight. Their Secret art of sword-making is greatly admired by Western families and modern metallurgical studies. We on this modern age are still not able to produce high-tech sword (NANO technology) of the Islamic civilization in the period of the 11th-12th century. What the CNT? CNT is a chain of carbon atoms bound between each other in a hexagonal cylinder having a diameter as small as 1-2 nano-meters. The cylindrical CNT may reach a length so that tens of microns and closed at the tip portion as if a piece of pipe that is closed in both two edges. Characterization performed on this material also explains THAT CNT has the highest strength compared to other materials. It also has properties of electrical conduction exceeded copper and metal. The uniqueness of carbon nano is having resistance to high temperatures and have a body that is lighter than aluminum. So in combat, the light weight of the sword can be advantage to the wielder. see also: video of Salahuddin Al Ayyubi Sword NANO technology using steel “DaMarcus” which is also called wootz. The iron ore contains a number of elements Carbon percentages. In addition to iron and carbon, elements such as chromium, manganese, cobalt is also coupled to add more strength, sharpness and flexibility. Salahuddin Al-Ayubi lead the Army of Islam in the Crusades with this unseen sword making technology in the period of the 12th Century. This sword making techniques are so secret till only a few families blacksmith in Damascus are mastered. Finally in the period of the 18th, this sword making technology have been lost and forgotten. What remains is swords, spears and knives that are now scattered in different Museum worldwide. Just to remind us that technology of Islamic civilization has been lost in ages. |
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valyrian steel is the strongest....
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QUOTE(sad_ticket @ Aug 29 2016, 05:41 PM) So which steel is good. Maybe you will say China steel or Nun Chuck steel right. In K/ later on they will say evrything from China is the best steel make on earth because k/ love to protek "orang kite" QUOTE(sad_ticket @ Aug 29 2016, 05:31 PM) QUOTE(manickam123 @ Aug 29 2016, 05:54 PM) Was waiting for someone to call that out congrats |
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Legendary Swords' Sharpness, Strength From Nanotubes, Study Says
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...h-swords_2.html QUOTE The blades were generally made from metal ingots prepared in India using special recipes, which probably put just the right amount of carbon and other impurities into the iron (India map). By following these recipes and following specific forging techniques, "craftsmen ended up making nanotubes more than 400 years ago," Paufler and his colleagues write. When these blades were nearly finished, blacksmiths would etch them with acid. This brought out the wavy light and dark lines that make Damascus swords easy to recognize. But it could also give the swords their sharpness, Paufler says. Because carbon nanotubes are resistant to acid, they would protect the nanowires, he theorizes. After etching, many of these nanostructures could stick out from the blade's edge, giving it tiny saw-like teeth. Skeptical Smiths The techniques for making the steel were lost around A.D. 1700. But many researchers are studying how to recreate the blades—even though metallurgical experts warn that the blades, though exceptional for their time, are far outperformed by modern steels. While some scientists have claimed success, others dispute that the reproductions are truly the same as the originals. And many experts doubt that the new findings will clear things up. John Verhoeven, a metallurgist at Iowa State University at Ames who has worked on reproducing the Damascus sword-making techniques, is skeptical that Paufler and his colleagues have cracked the secret of Damascus blades. "I don't think that (the nanowires) are anything unusual," Verhoeven said. "I think those structures would be found in normal steels." |
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TS go do more research before posting pls.
First of all, we already understand how Damascus steel was made. We are just not certain how they managed to fold carbon nanotubes into steel with primitive metalworking technology. That just means we can't duplicate the exact process, but that's not to say the modern steel making techniques are inferior to it. I'll take a modern steel sword vs your Damascus sword any day. Heck some American dude managed to make knives that can cut through steel and still be as sharp as before and that kicks the crap out of Damascus steel. He refused to reveal his secret to anyone but modern science has also figured out what he did: https://clarksonhistory.wordpress.com/2013/...-richtig-knife/ So yeah...so much for moden steel being weaker. |
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QUOTE(arubin @ Aug 29 2016, 06:04 PM) TS go do more research before posting pls. Clark who?😱First of all, we already understand how Damascus steel was made. We are just not certain how they managed to fold carbon nanotubes into steel with primitive metalworking technology. That just means we can't duplicate the exact process, but that's not to say the modern steel making techniques are inferior to it. I'll take a modern steel sword vs your Damascus sword any day. Heck some American dude managed to make knives that can cut through steel and still be as sharp as before and that kicks the crap out of Damascus steel. He refused to reveal his secret to anyone but modern science has also figured out what he did: https://clarksonhistory.wordpress.com/2013/...-richtig-knife/ So yeah...so much for moden steel being weaker. |
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QUOTE(arubin @ Aug 29 2016, 06:04 PM) TS go do more research before posting pls. First of all, we already understand how Damascus steel was made. We are just not certain how they managed to fold carbon nanotubes into steel with primitive metalworking technology. That just means we can't duplicate the exact process, but that's not to say the modern steel making techniques are inferior to it. I'll take a modern steel sword vs your Damascus sword any day. Heck some American dude managed to make knives that can cut through steel and still be as sharp as before and that kicks the crap out of Damascus steel. He refused to reveal his secret to anyone but modern science has also figured out what he did: https://clarksonhistory.wordpress.com/2013/...-richtig-knife/ So yeah...so much for moden steel being weaker. It's like saying horse carriage was better than modern cars because it used actual horse |
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QUOTE(arubin @ Aug 29 2016, 06:04 PM) TS go do more research before posting pls. harlo boss First of all, we already understand how Damascus steel was made. We are just not certain how they managed to fold carbon nanotubes into steel with primitive metalworking technology. That just means we can't duplicate the exact process, but that's not to say the modern steel making techniques are inferior to it. I'll take a modern steel sword vs your Damascus sword any day. Heck some American dude managed to make knives that can cut through steel and still be as sharp as before and that kicks the crap out of Damascus steel. He refused to reveal his secret to anyone but modern science has also figured out what he did: https://clarksonhistory.wordpress.com/2013/...-richtig-knife/ So yeah...so much for moden steel being weaker. I didn't read any article. my friend brag to me king Saudi has 1 Damascus steel sword, and the only reason isis is not yet vanquished is because the sword is not yet drawn...if Saudi king draw his sword, Obama 's head will roll also... so I open tered. |
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QUOTE(HaN18 @ Aug 29 2016, 05:28 PM) QUOTE(homicidal85 @ Aug 29 2016, 05:31 PM) katana steel is actually not that good. only the method is unique allowing poor raw material to have some strength. fun fact, the fabled valyrian steel in game of thrones is based on the real-life damascus steel. QUOTE(zororo @ Aug 29 2016, 05:54 PM) yup, powderful stuffThis post has been edited by azbro: Aug 29 2016, 06:25 PM |
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"There are many myths about the strength and capabilities of Damascus steel but today it is largely popular because of its aesthetic beauty. Mostly for collectors only."
http://bestpocketknifetoday.com/discoverin...st-knife-steel/ |
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Can the lightsaber cut it?
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i tot valyrian steel is the best
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QUOTE(KLboy92 @ Aug 29 2016, 06:01 PM) Legendary Swords' Sharpness, Strength From Nanotubes, Study Says "The blades were generally made from metal ingots prepared in India"http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...h-swords_2.html "even though metallurgical experts warn that the blades, though exceptional for their time, are far outperformed by modern steels. " |
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lol the comments so far.
Vibranium Adamantium Valyrian . . . Then . . Unobtainium .... LOL |
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QUOTE(zororo @ Aug 29 2016, 06:40 PM) http://www.caesars.com.sg/Buy straight from the store. Now go to that website. Weapons Porn at its best You can order stuff thats not available at the store too. Need to wait a bit. |
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Eh. I tot HPF steel strongest. Or else why proton keep pot pet pot pet about their HPF steel.
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QUOTE(GnomeMage @ Aug 29 2016, 06:17 PM) harlo boss Than talk about that rumor only lar, instead of making funny claims about Damascus steel. I didn't read any article. my friend brag to me king Saudi has 1 Damascus steel sword, and the only reason isis is not yet vanquished is because the sword is not yet drawn...if Saudi king draw his sword, Obama 's head will roll also... so I open tered. |
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Tamahagane the best. Nuff said! Else ! I potek potek with my REM.
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QUOTE(azbro @ Aug 29 2016, 06:54 PM) http://www.caesars.com.sg/ thansk brah ~! Buy straight from the store. Now go to that website. Weapons Porn at its best You can order stuff thats not available at the store too. Need to wait a bit. |
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if you guys are interested, just google for superplastic metal. same qualities as damask steel.
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QUOTE(GnomeMage @ Aug 29 2016, 05:28 PM) it is not. there are plenty of Damascus steel swords left. Saudi king has one. the method to produce has been lost and the best swords in the world are Damascus steel made. even more deadly than Japanese katana. the katana is one of the most useless sword around if you talk about strength. myth jer that it is strong. |
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QUOTE(fuzzy @ Aug 30 2016, 12:13 PM) the katana is one of the most useless sword around if you talk about strength. myth jer that it is strong. Depends.. for their purposes it is the best. It is very thin and very sharp.. you can kill someone in armor because the plates don't fit perfectly, all you have to do is find a thin gap in the armor.. |
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Maybe damascus steel is good for bladed-weapon only, and not so durable as armor material.
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Aug 30 2016, 12:18 PM) Depends.. for their purposes it is the best. It is very thin and very sharp.. you can kill someone in armor because the plates don't fit perfectly, all you have to do is find a thin gap in the armor.. It's sharp, not strong lo like i said. |
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Aug 30 2016, 12:27 PM
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289 posts Joined: Nov 2010 From: sunny bikini yard |
Topkek. Keris>Damascus sword
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Aug 30 2016, 12:34 PM
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Have you heard in master race history, the Kris is the most deadly weapon on the world. One small cut from the Kris, dead in 1 minute.
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