That I can answer already: Not long.

Say 4h30m max if you turn off the RGB KBB, lower the screen to 20%, undervolted by a bit - and even then this is for mostly office apps and light surfing.

However you slice it, a 43Wh battery ain't gonna take you very far, unfortunately.

Well, the Onyx is getting about the same results as the Coffee Lake Zephyrus when I run a 30m Cinebench Multi Loop-test (1050-ish points average, no drops), so yeah at least it's not underperforming.

BTW, anybody have any idea what a good starting point for CFL-H UV is? My last 7700HQ easily took -125 to core, cache and iGPU (and probably more, though I couldn't really be bothered to tweak)... and all my searching is only turning up one guy saying -120 over at the GS65 thread in NBR (which is what I'm gonna start with, just because lol).

I'm well aware of silicon differences in terms UV (hell, I'm extremely vocal about how UV settings are pretty much something that only really works on a per-proc basis), but a good starting point does simplify the slog of trial and error lol.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 1 2018, 02:04 PM

I think I lost the silicon lottery

Started with -0.1

Only able to get it stable at -0.045 using throttle stop for core cache and igpu

Haven't tried tweaking it further, though -0.065 already gave me BSODs

Gonna test the mid 50s when I have more time

You're on the Onyx too? Well if you're on the 8750H, be content in the knowledge that it might not just be you, as Intel might have just crammed a bit too much crap in there that it might not even UV as well as the 7700HQ anymore lol.

Do take note that you might NOT want to run the same UV value across the board for all the 3 parts though. Sometimes the core/cache takes a lot more UV then the IGPU can handle. Just in case you didn't notice.

Buuuttt, I haven't tried myself though, maybe in a bit.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 1 2018, 09:10 PM

Yup, the 8750H with GTX 1060.

Good to know, going to need more data to see my chip is normal or the odd one out though

With that slight undervolt, getting max CPU 92 degrees, and GPU 77 degrees while playing games... (most stressful task for the Onyx so far other than benchmarks)

Though that's with turbo boost enabled and Kryonaut in a non-AC room, probably ambient 28 degrees. My previous 4720HQ would reach 100 degrees with turbo boost.

This post has been edited by jrlogger: May 1 2018, 09:54 PM

I'm had just finished setting up UV with ThrottleStop (-125mv CPU, - 125mv Cache and -55mv iGPU, BD Prochot off; I'm using offsets rather then direct voltage adjustment BTW), and I'm now going all FurmarkPriming on it again.

I'm already a third through the 45m run, and things are looking a helluva lot better already. For one I'm seeing sustained peaks of 3.6GHz now, interspaced with lows of 3.2GHz (and a few dips of 2.8Ghz) - though I still have 2/3 of the run to go.

Temps so far is at 84c CPU and 80c GPU, about the same as before, and ThrottleStop is actually telling me the whole thing isn't even subject to Prochot limiting (which indicates thermal issues)... it's just hitting the bloody TDP limit - exactly as ZM Fong said it would.

Oh, and in regards to UV again, do take note that your selected UV value is spread across the processor multiplier steps (aka speeds), and what works at... say, 2.2GHz... might not work as well at the other speed steps (ie. 1.2GHz or 3.2Ghz).

Case in point, me UVing my i5U Lenovo Miix 510 (yeah, I UVed a U-class processor lol). It was fine when it was being benched, but every time the load lessened and the proc slowed down, wierd things started to happen to Windows. Thankfully I quickly realised that it was just the system not being able to live with the UV at the lower points of the processor's speed - so I bumped the UV up a bit and everything was fine.

So yeah. Even if your selected UV value lives fine through a benching session, keep an eye out for weirdness once the load lessens.... and vice versa.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 2 2018, 03:25 AM

So, 45m over. What have we learned from our UV session?

- After about 30m, seems that the situation above has been reversed, and we can see peaks of 3.6Ghz interspaced with valleys of 3.2Ghz... both of which is STILL a lot better than the average of 2.8GHz we were seeing pre-UV.

- The drops to 3.2Ghz is due to the proc hitting the 45w TDP limit more than any form of heat throttling, as Prochot was NEVER engaged (as temps never hit 95c). So yeah, blame Intel lol.

So yeah, the takeout is, UV works quite well to increase the processing capabilities of the Onyx. That said, I did see ONE weird thing happening with the UV set to 125/125/55 - a folder containing only God knows suddenly appeared out on my desktop for no apparent reason (and yeah, sometimes UV doesn't even crash anything, it just makes wierd things happen lol).

So yeah, stepping a bit down to 120/120/55 now, just in case.

And, I just realised you're adjusting voltage direct jrlogger Any reason why you're not using the Offsets to adjust UV instead?

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 2 2018, 03:28 AM

Try increasing PL1 limit using Intel XTU?

Looks like you got a good chip haha.

Wondering what benches do you use to test your UV? I read that sometimes benches aren't definitive, you have to actually use the PC or play some games.

Yup. Sometimes my UV settings would seem fine while doing benches, but would freeze while using Chrome or BSOD after playing a game. Going to need more time to further tweak and find what my 8750H can handle lol.

Followed NBC's ThrottleStop guide and pretty sure I'm using the Offsets, unless I am mistaken? First time trying UV so yeah.

Benches: If I'm in a hurry, the one built into TS. There's also Furmark + Prime95, together or seperately. But again like I said, not just benches. You need to check not only high load stability, but med load and idle stability as well - something you seem to have found out on your own (Benches, games and Chrome).

Ah, just a bit of an ehhh moment because you were mentioning the end Voltages (and not the value of the UV offset used). If you're following the NBC's guide you should be golden. Don't worry.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 2 2018, 08:33 AM

Thanks for your reply, guess it's going to take a while to find the 'right' setting. Now I'm only at -40/-40/-20, do not think it will be much different from stock lol.

No worries, didn't know how to refer to the UVs.

By the way, does your Onyx exhibit creaking sounds from the hinges? My unit's left hinge does sometimes when opening/closing the lid, at first I thought the hinge was broken or something. I think it may be a little too tight.

Re: the Hinges, mine (also the left one) does exhibit a very slight creak, but normally its only there if I'm pulling the lid from an off center position.

It should loosen a bit over time with use, but if the creak is loud, consistent and doesn't lessen at all, check back with Illegear.

I'm not keen on using XTU to be completely honest (don't like the weird things it likes to run stealthily in the background). Also I actually think that that it's actually an EC limitation.

I wonder if you can tune PL1 with ThrottleStop though.

EDIT: Apparently you can. But, the TS author (UncleWebb) also says this (though to be fair its actually in regards to the old Haswell HQs):


So yeah, if the thing HAS built-in EC PL1 limits, it will probably screw me over anyway even if I reset PL1 in ThrottleStop. I MIGHT try though, just to see if it works.



This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 2 2018, 10:38 PM

Jrlogger and Eiraku, are you guys referring to the minor squeezing sound when opening the back case? We can help to apply some oil on it.

As for the EC and BIOS, we will have the 3rd update sometimes this week / next week.

This post has been edited by Prince J: May 3 2018, 11:53 AM

Nah, it should loosen in time, no worries.

As for the 3rd update, hopefully it's the one with the...

... because apparently that one is pretty good *wink wink*

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 3 2018, 01:38 PM

Any reviews on onyx now?

Mine's OTW, just need to finish up pics and the last section. Also look out for reviews coming soon on Notebookcheck about the Schenker XMG Neo 15, which is essentially the same machine (with minor cosmetic differences).

In the mean time, here's a glamour shot of the Per-key RGB KBB to tide you over:



And yeah, we'll probably gonna need a "proper" owners thread on the Onyx here soon.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 3 2018, 02:07 PM

Ok.. thanks, will wait for review. I am consider getting this machine as its kinda thin and not that heavy, slim bezels and numpad too.

This post has been edited by Snoopycute98: May 3 2018, 02:16 PM

Only intermittent sounds from the hinge when opening/closing the lid hopefully will be gone in time.

Great, hopefully it will further fix the fans, mine suddenly revs up when doing nothing stressful, sounds like a plane taking off, judging from co-workers reactions

Looking forward to your review!

Maybe you can start the owners thread

Maybe, if nobody else volunteers for it...

Anyway, I'm do wish too that the new EC/BIOS would help tame the erratic fan curves, but it seems that TongFang is rather on point at churning out updates (they have pushed out a couple already for our Chinese cousin the Z2) so I'm not entirely worried.

At the rate they're going (right now they seem even more active at releasing FW/BIOS then even Clevo lol), they should get a lot of those little niggles fixed pretty soon. Well, hopefully anyway.

And I know for a fact that our boys (and girls) at Illegear are very quick, hard workers as well (even if they're actually just a small team relatively TBH, which people tend to forget sometimes) so that's that.

This post has been edited by Eiraku: May 3 2018, 03:56 PM