Dear sifu with knowledge of condo management,

My new condo VP Jan this years, after some hoohaa from defects repairs to being sue and paying damages, I tot we could finally enjoy some time off.

But shits happens,

Recently we start receiving an invoice (from developer) asking for tnb deposit for bulk meter(common area).

I'm suprised as I never heard this before, upon asking other ppl in the same line, they verify that it's rare but not illegal, and usually happen because management no more money.

So we start questioning the management team (still under dev) they responded with half assed answers and say it's required by tnb with further instruction that it need to be pay within 14 days as per snp clauses (which they conveniently left out the part that say the vendor(developer) is to bare all cost)

There was no mentioned on other reason to pay the tnb bulk meter deposit.

We then proceed to ask to see the management Acc to verifies what's happening and again, they replied that we can see till jmb is form.

What's fellow sifu opinion and suggestion in this case?

Can give some advise what to do?

Anyone?

hi bro, ur casa green house?

tomolo i share abit, urs very technical to reply

Yes bro, I'll wait for your replies then:)

Thanks a million:)

I think the developer is pretty cheeky exploiting a loop hole in the SPA, possible is an old trick.

From first reading, of 22(1) it seems to suggest that the cost of laying the utilities and application for connection to the Parcel is borne by developer then 22(2) skips everything else and goes straight to "deposits" for installation of the utilities meters and the vendor shall bear all other cost.

I think the key word missing in 22(2) is the word "Parcel". This would have clarified a lot of things. Unfortunately, it's not there so we will have to work with what we have.

indeed 22(2) did state payment of deposit but normally this is with reference to utilities consumed by the parcel. there is nothing in the agreement that say you have to pay deposit for common area facility i.e. electricity bulk meter.

So perhaps you manage to win this argument, then the developer say... hey look your maintenance fund doesn't have enough monies to pay for the deposit.

If you look at 18 and BCPA 2007 (now superseded by SMA 2013), you will find no where does it mentioned payment for deposit for electricity bulk meter. You will see the maintenance charges recurring theme is "maintain and manage" the common facilities. In addition to that, the developer will need to justify such payment of fees in schedule 5 (see 18(4)).

The end result... looks like you don't have to pay for "bulk" meter electricity deposit. On the other hand, the SPA is not too helpful as to who's responsibility is it...

I can only conclude if authorities not willing to wade in on this issue it will be a stalemate...

perhaps you should refer this to housing tribunal.

There's just too much loop hole, my developer just released a notice on this issue and push the responsibility to tnb and saying it's their requirement for payment of bulk meter deposit.

With no other justification nor answer, it's making many owner frustrated, but to make matter worst, there's owner that already paying it to avoid any trouble, and the management even say to us, other owner also pay already what.

Hi bro, how much your developer is charging you the bulk meter for common area?

our silk residence is around rm 1600 for common bulk and another rm500 (i think) for individual sub

the developer did attached us a proof of receipt for the payment of deposit made to TNB.

maybe you should request the such from them.

Actually and contractually, this common bulk deposit should recover from JMB then JMB will recover from every unit. but since now no JMB formed, developer can recover the said but providing with necessary supporting document.

i hope they did attached to you a copy of receipt.

so far silk resident owners no issue on this because it is part of disbursement money for VP

Your TNB meter is individual or bulk?

we need to dig deeper.

wow 1.6k? that's alot more than us.

we've already paid the individual meter deposit, around 500+ too if i remember correctly,

but there was no provision nor any written clause on having us pay the commmon bulk meter which only amount to under rm 300. and it's definitely not mentioned in any document during the disbursement of VP.

All of the sudden (8 months) after VP, they sent us an invoice (from developer) with the heading as "Miscellaneous Invoice" asking the payment labelled as "TNB DEPOSIT - COMMON"

along with the invoice is the billing of tnb electricty bill amount, and no mention on the deposit of common bulk meter.

you have the right to demand a proof copy of receipt from them. the have to derive out the details and calculation how the deposit come about

for individual, rm500 is 2 months estimated elec bill

for common area, i think they based on tnb contribution fees

ours a lot because of those function halls, there are six like that.

according to them, the amount is derive from dividing the amount equally amount all share unit.

not much info beyond that other then just gibberish on it being a " requirement" from tnb

Bump for any latest development on this TNB bulk meter deposit

Anyone can show rule that this amount to be bear by owner instead of JMB ?

Hi bro peri peri,
hope you still remember me? Recently my developer sending 2 demand letter for this tnb common rm1.3k and individual tnb meter rm700, I’m confused of this but after reading from you, we as owner dunno what to do? Developer will demand this no matter how. Need some input from bro peri.
Thanks,
Chanyee


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