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 [OFFICIAL]Rig Suggestion Q&A Thread V12!

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caprillachen
post Sep 4 2016, 05:05 PM

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1 question to pc master race, in what situation do I need liquid colling instead of fan? My room has no aircond and normally use to render.
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post Sep 4 2016, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(linkinawe @ Sep 4 2016, 01:01 AM)
Intel Core i3 6100 --> i5 6500
Gigabyte H110M-DS2/Asus H110M-K
Kingston/Corsair 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM
Kingston SSDNow UV400 120GB SSD

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I decided to go with i5 6500. So the mobo no need to change right ? Since I only run one SSD , maybe a couple of HDD, without gaming , no need GPU also. For the mobo, Giga or Asus are the same ? Do they have pro and cons ?

btw, i3 6100 is the best i3 in term of price and performance ? asking on behalf of my friend
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If I'm not mistaken, SanDisk SSD is more reliable (plus or ultra 2)
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post Sep 4 2016, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Sep 2 2016, 01:52 PM)
Yaya. One of my friends also suggested me this 850 Evo SSD. He said the speed is notably faster than the UV400. Since both are SSDs, can the difference be THAT noticeable ahh for a layman like me? If it is not, then no point forking out the extra for something which I cannot feel haha.
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Online sources show that it has a boot up speed diff about max 3 seconds only. If you're really on a budget, any SSD would show a notable difference. My MacBook pro late 2011 used to take 2 minutes to boot from a standard hard drive. 20-25 seconds now using Sandisk Ultra 2 ssd.
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post Sep 4 2016, 05:29 PM

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QUOTE(DesktopLimousine @ Sep 4 2016, 04:44 PM)
My friend needs a suggestion for rm2k rig. Will use for gaming and video editing including photoshop. Thanks!
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Intel Core i3 6100 - RM 470
Gigabyte H110M-DS2 (D4) - RM 276
Kingston 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 145
Palit GTX950 2GB GDDR5 StormX - RM 609
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 209
FSP Hexa+ 450W - RM 166
Tecware F3 - RM 125

Total: RM 2000 (ETech price inclusive of GST)

QUOTE(- JaY - @ Sep 4 2016, 04:56 PM)
did advice my friend about all these, he decided to go for a "bigger" upgrade to future proof abit and budget can go up till 2500.

Any recommendations for this budget? His power supply might be able to reuse if can support RX470/GTX1060, the model is CM RS460-PCAR-A3.

Proc: i5/Xeon
Mobo: u recommended a m-ATX mobo, is there any difference compared to other form factors?
Graphic: around 900-1k range
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The 12V rails in the stated PSU is able draw a maximum of 312W from the wall, based on the power draw reported by online reviews, the PSU is able to handle the load of RX470/RX480/GTX1060, if you have other components (those power hungry one) to hook on this PSU then it is recommended to get a better one.

Skylake Xeon CPU requires C232 chipset mobo and it is not cheap to get so stick with Core i5 family is a wiser choice for now.

Intel Core i5 6500 - RM 835
Gigabyte B150M-D3H (D4) - RM 379
Kingston 8GB DDR4 2133MHz Value RAM - RM 152
Gigabyte RX470 4GB GDDR5 G1 Gaming - RM 999

Total: RM 2265 (ETech price inclusive of GST)

Optional build/upgrade:
1. Zotac GTX1060 6GB GDDR5 Mini - RM 1169 (Merdeka promotion till end of this month by Zotac MY)
2. Zotac GTX1060 3GB GDDR5 Mini - RM 949

QUOTE(caprillachen @ Sep 4 2016, 05:05 PM)
1 question to pc master race, in what situation do I need liquid colling instead of fan? My room has no aircond and normally use to render.
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When you overclock the CPU.

For locked (non-overclockable) CPU, you can just get a decent RM 150 3rd party CPU cooler to reduce the temperature if it gets too hot when you do the rendering, but of course you can spend more money to get a decent liquid cooler AIO if you want the temperature to be even lower.
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post Sep 4 2016, 05:36 PM

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For locked (non-overclockable) CPU, you can just get a decent RM 150 3rd party CPU cooler to reduce the temperature if it gets too hot when you do the rendering, but of course you can spend more money to get a decent liquid cooler AIO if you want the temperature to be even lower.
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But is liquid cooling make less noise or more noise compare to fan? Sorry im very noob in this

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QUOTE(caprillachen @ Sep 4 2016, 05:36 PM)
But is liquid cooling make less noise or more noise compare to fan? Sorry im very noob in this
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Same theory as air cooler, you need to install casing fan on the radiator itself to dissipate the heat from it, some liquid cooler AIO allow user to control the speed of the fan via 3rd party software (like Corsair Link), so the audible level is solely based on your own settings.

Some are automated, meaning when the temperature rises, the fan will increase its speed and noise level will increase also.


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post Sep 4 2016, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Sep 4 2016, 06:44 PM)
Same theory as air cooler, you need to install casing fan on the radiator itself to dissipate the heat from it, some liquid cooler AIO allow user to control the speed of the fan via 3rd party software (like Corsair Link), so the audible level is solely based on your own settings.

Some are automated, meaning when the temperature rises, the fan will increase its speed and noise level will increase also.
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Okay, thx alot yea, one last question, should I get i5 6600k or i7 6700?

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post Sep 4 2016, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Sep 4 2016, 06:44 PM)
Same theory as air cooler, you need to install casing fan on the radiator itself to dissipate the heat from it, some liquid cooler AIO allow user to control the speed of the fan via 3rd party software (like Corsair Link), so the audible level is solely based on your own settings.

Some are automated, meaning when the temperature rises, the fan will increase its speed and noise level will increase also.
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Okay, thx alot yea, one last question, should I get i5 6600k or i7 6700?

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post Sep 4 2016, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(caprillachen @ Sep 4 2016, 05:53 PM)
Okay, thx alot yea, one last question, should I get i5 6600k or i7 6700?
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Depends on your budget and usage.

If you do a lot of rendering work then it is better to go for multi core CPU.
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post Sep 4 2016, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(JolamIII @ Sep 4 2016, 05:11 PM)
Online sources show that it has a boot up speed diff about max 3 seconds only. If you're really on a budget, any SSD would show a notable difference. My MacBook pro late 2011 used to take 2 minutes to boot from a standard hard drive. 20-25 seconds now using Sandisk Ultra 2 ssd.
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Thanks for your explanation. Do you recommend SanDisk or Kingston SSD? In terms of reliability.
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QUOTE(caprillachen @ Sep 4 2016, 05:05 PM)
1 question to pc master race, in what situation do I need liquid colling instead of fan? My room has no aircond and normally use to render.
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1. Get it if your budget allowed.

2. Current cooling system not good enough for a long hours.


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post Sep 4 2016, 09:30 PM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Sep 4 2016, 08:45 PM)
Thanks for your explanation. Do you recommend SanDisk or Kingston SSD? In terms of reliability.
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I read online than sandisk's reliability is better than Kingston's. However, most consumer products typically have the same lifespan, so go for whatever fits your budget. However, do Google up the speed differences before buying your product. I found out online that the sandisk ultra 2 is faster than the Kingston hyper x fury, despite pc depot saying that most customers purchase Kingston's ssds. Therefore, I went with the sandisk.
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post Sep 5 2016, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(annas473 @ Sep 4 2016, 09:51 PM)
1. Get it if your budget allowed.

2. Current cooling system not good enough for a long hours.
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what would happen for long hours?

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post Sep 5 2016, 01:56 PM

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Among these 4 GPU, which one is the better choice providing they are come with 3 years local warranty and the price is different +- RM60 only?

1) Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1070 G1 Gaming OC

2) Asus nVidia GeForce GTX 1070 ROG Strix OC

3) EVGA nVidia GeForce GTX 1070 FTW Gaming ACX 3.0

4) EVGA nVidia GeForce GTX 1070 SC Gaming ACX 3.0
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post Sep 5 2016, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(sleepy 1 @ Sep 5 2016, 01:56 PM)
Among these 4 GPU, which one is the better choice providing they are come with 3 years local warranty and the price is different +- RM60 only?

1) Gigabyte nVidia GeForce GTX 1070 G1 Gaming OC

2) Asus nVidia GeForce GTX 1070 ROG Strix OC

3) EVGA nVidia GeForce GTX 1070 FTW Gaming ACX 3.0

4) EVGA nVidia GeForce GTX 1070 SC Gaming ACX 3.0
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If they really fall into those categories you mentioned, then I will pick whichever I prefer, in this case, EVGA card (the color and theme suit my rig design) laugh.gif
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post Sep 5 2016, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Sep 5 2016, 02:08 PM)
If they really fall into those categories you mentioned, then I will pick whichever I prefer, in this case, EVGA card (the color and theme suit my rig design)  laugh.gif
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I am in the dilemma between Asus and EVGA, but I ended purchased Asus Rog Strix 1070 OC. And I accidentally purchase 2 same card!!! Try to return it via ebay but seem like I need to wait till i receive the card then only can return it. cry.gif cry.gif cry.gif


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QUOTE(sleepy 1 @ Sep 5 2016, 02:33 PM)
I am in the dilemma between Asus and EVGA, but I ended purchased Asus Rog Strix 1070 OC. And I accidentally purchase 2 same card!!! Try to return it via ebay but seem like I need to wait till i receive the card then only can return it.  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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Asus Strix is also ok. So you mean initially you only want to buy 1 card but then accidentally bought 2? And they charged your credit card twice? sweat.gif
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post Sep 5 2016, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Sep 5 2016, 02:47 PM)
Asus Strix is also ok. So you mean initially you only want to buy 1 card but then accidentally bought 2? And they charged your credit card twice?  sweat.gif
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Unfortunately, that is the case. Would see how it go once it arrive.


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post Sep 5 2016, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ Sep 2 2016, 10:00 PM)
Depends on your budget and usage, if don't care about form factor, then cheap entry level of H110/B150 mATX mobo should be enough, if you want standard ATX then you can look for H170.

Some examples:

Gigabyte H110M-DS2 (D4)
Gigabyte B150M-D3H (D4)
Gigabyte H170-HD3 (D4)
ASRock H170 Pro4 (D4)

From the 2 casing models you've listed down, it seems like your budget for the casing is around RM 300 - RM 400.

There are other options available too within this budget such as Phanteks Eclipse P400/Enthoo Pro M, CM MasterBox 5, Fractal Design Define S.

If I were to choose one from this list, I will go for Phanteks Eclipse P400  tongue.gif
Thanks, would like to ask how much power is suitable for this kind of build:-

Intel Core i5 6500
H110M
Kingston 16GB DDR4 2133MHz (2x 8GB)
GTX 1070
WD 3.5” 1TB 7200RPM 64MB SATA III
Kingston SSDNOW 240GB SSD

Is it suitable and compatible for the parts above??

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post Sep 5 2016, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(munyen @ Sep 5 2016, 04:49 PM)
Thanks, would like to ask how much power is suitable for this kind of build:-

Intel Core i5 6500
H110M
Kingston 16GB DDR4 2133MHz (2x 8GB)
GTX 1070
WD 3.5” 1TB 7200RPM 64MB SATA III
Kingston SSDNOW 240GB SSD

Is it suitable and compatible for the parts above??
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You didn't specify the exact H110 model so please make sure it is using DDR4 RAM module instead of DDR3 then everything will be fine (if you pick from one of the boards listed by me then it is good to go).

If speaking of raw power draw during load, a decent true power 300W - 350W PSU is enough, but you need to prepare some extra headroom for future expansion and overhead, so a true power 450W - 500W rated PSU is more preferred in this way.

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