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post Mar 21 2018, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(chester_85 @ Mar 21 2018, 10:46 AM)
Other than the overall COT, usually there are COT at each checkpoints, so you can't really take your sweet time in between the starting line to the finishing line.
I never really join a 100km road race before but i think ultra races are more leisure than usual FM, HM races. You can rest when you walk, of course you can take a short nap at every stop. Just timed it and set alarm or ask ppl to wake u up after 10 min or what.  biggrin.gif
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aahh true. cannot stop too long oso in one place. i guess the easiest way is to observe and follow experienced runners laugh.gif
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post Mar 23 2018, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(OcHaa @ Mar 22 2018, 01:37 PM)
i ran 5km. didnt encounter any wall bro
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lol are you freaking kidding me?
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post Mar 23 2018, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(afiqishak @ Mar 22 2018, 02:40 PM)
new SCKLM FM route approximately 2 km got water station.

apart from lack of training, my concern now malas nk collect race kit. they estimate saturday morning need to que for 30 minutes.  sweat.gif
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well you can always you know, sell your bib to me laugh.gif
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post Mar 23 2018, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(afiqishak @ Mar 23 2018, 10:38 AM)
?? Didnt join this year??
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u telling me or asking me?

if asking me i miss the registration la. gaji belum masuk at that time and slots vanish damn fast lol.

if u register and malas join im always interested laugh.gif
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post Mar 23 2018, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(afiqishak @ Mar 23 2018, 11:27 AM)
asking u.  laugh.gif

same with me, i know gonna full really fast. so i use my saving first. later topup balik.

Sorry, last year i didnt join, so this year i have to run.  biggrin.gif
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haha i think since SCKLM explode in popularity this last few years i never had a chance to register.

last time i manage to join is back in 2012 and i actually missed it because overslept lol
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post Mar 23 2018, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(OcHaa @ Mar 23 2018, 12:01 PM)
not kidding bro

i ran 5km really didn't encounter any so called "wall"
pretty smooth
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Lol ok then i can share a bit of basic knowldge.

The "wall" refers to the limit of human body's glycogen storage.

On average, the glycogen storage will be depleted when you run continously around 35km and you can literally die if you continue without eating at that point because the body needs to burn fat storage instead of glycogen and the process is considerably slower making it inefficient to supply energy and you will overexert yourself if you push it.

That's just the physical side. Mentally it will torture you as your body begs you stop and have a lie down and make you regret you ever did this and at that moment you will probably think this is the last time i will be doing this. It fucks up your mind bad and what separates a good and bad runner is how they deal when they hit this wall. Below average people will surrender at this point.

If the most you run is 5k you're so far away from the wall you can't even imagine how it feels like. It's a bit unwise to conclude that running 100k will be easy if you not only haven't been through it, but you haven't even push yourself anywhere near that level of activity and it is seriously dangerous if you attempt it.

That's why a lot of ultra races (more than 42km) usually require proof that you've at least completed one full marathon with a decent time before they let you register.
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post Mar 23 2018, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(90Boyz @ Mar 23 2018, 12:35 PM)
Good explanation ...  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif
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Aw i haz shy blush.gif
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post Mar 23 2018, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(cHaRsIeWpAu^^ @ Mar 23 2018, 01:32 PM)
biggrin.gif you will offense many runners here.
its advisable that you at least have sub 5 in fm before joining any ultra race.
it feels good to run at first 30km, after that your body will be draining out.

thinking easy to achieve sub 5 in fm?

easy if you're training at least 4days per week, if you're weekend warrior then its not that easy to achieve it.

few exceptional good 100km ultra race in malaysia i joined before: penang ultra, fraser ultra, 24h and um24.
you can aim for these races for your virgin 100km. smile.gif
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not really offended but made me a little bit concerned.

at first i was thinking, wow this guy must be a badass. a lot of seasoned runners i know shudder at the idea of doing ultras and he's like, meh ez.

the moment he mentioned doing 5k without tiring i was like whaaaa?

i mean dude, i don't mean to insult but i really get the idea that you're trolling us.

if you are trolling then gratz lol can consider moderately successful. laugh.gif

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post Mar 23 2018, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(mylifesux @ Mar 23 2018, 06:54 PM)
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erm... i think this guys is obviously trolling u all
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Yeah i just notice the "i dont think need a lot of training" part. Should be a dead giveaway. Good one laugh.gif
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post Mar 24 2018, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Mar 24 2018, 05:35 PM)
Did my first 2 hour long super slow run today. Not tired at all but my feet hurt. How to prevent the pain at the bottom of the feet after a period of time walking/running? U know the type of foot pain u feel after long hours shopping or travelling? Yeah that pain...if unable to overcome that then can kiss any marathon hopes goodbye regardless of how fit one can be.
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In my experience is usually it will only hurt the first time. First time i did HM after being inactive for a while i can barely walk to take medal. Few HMs after that I don't have any problem.

Other than that i think a good pair of shoes can help. Those with good cushioning and fits your feet arch type

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post Mar 25 2018, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Mar 24 2018, 09:32 PM)
Oh u mean it's possible to get used to it to the point where it won't bother u? Hey cerita sikit about your first HM. Haha..I've signed up for my first in may. Perlis marathon. Anyone here going?

As for shoes, I'm using stability shoes. Any particular model can recommend for flat feet?
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Yeah i think so. Imo it's like if you never ran before and you just started you'll have all sorts of aching that'll last a while because your body is not used to it.

After you recover your muscles will rebuild stronger to prepare for similar level of intensity.

My very first HM was actually around 6 years ago. I still remember having trouble walking even a week after the event.

Took a long break from serious running not long after that and only started again early last year. My first HM after the break is the one i felt like what you experienced. Feet hurts like hell and everywhere feels like walking using those reflexology slippers.

Few HMs after that no longer feel as bad until i did my first FM lol.

As for shoes i dun really have a recommendation. Last time i ask from the shop unker to recommend oso. I'm more of a minimalist shoe fan but generally people say proper cushioning will help prevent injuries.


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post Mar 25 2018, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Mar 25 2018, 03:08 AM)
Eh regarding the wall in marathons, is it because ppl are skipping water stations and gels? Or u will still hit the wall even if u do take gels
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I think u will hit it as long as you run far enough, fast enough. A lot of people takes gel and still hit it
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post Mar 25 2018, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Mar 25 2018, 09:32 AM)
wow that's awesome. Congrats on your FM.

Hopefully I can get in enough training before my halfM so I can atleast finish the race. How often do you guys train? How far?
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I think for HM should have no problem if you just aim to finish the run. I got by by very little and inconsistent training. I think few pages back got discussion on training plans.


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post Mar 25 2018, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Mar 25 2018, 11:08 AM)
That would suck. How did u fare in your FM. How many packets of gel did u take? What about in HM. Do people take gel in HM?

Do you guys carry own water bottle or rely on water stations?
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Ah it's to be expected lol. To be honest i don't think im really prepared before joining FM. Just testing the waters. That's why i pick FM with 8 hours of cut off time instead of the usual 7.

And i read it somewhere that for a newbie you can increase your chance of finishing an FM by doing the walk run method which i tried and was quite helpful. Finished the run a bit over 7 hours which is considered quite slow. Wouldn't make it if it's a 7 hours race. Quite aching in the whole body afterwards and need to have breaks while walking to collect medal and back to car.

I only brought few snicker bars and the rest just rely on water stations. Haven't actually tried gel yet in my runs.

I think a bottle is good to have if you're competitive and couldn't afford to waste seconds on crowded water stations or if you need to have a certain type of drink might not be available at water stations. For me i took water stations as a motivation to keep going and a place to slow down for a bit.



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post Mar 26 2018, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(limyuyang @ Mar 25 2018, 08:48 PM)
Would like to ask all sifu, Everytime whenever I have a long distance running, I would have a feeling of wanting to poop, I wonder is it just my body being abnormal or it's a normal kind of thing for all runners ?
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Err I guess when you gotta go, you gotta go. U really need to poop or just feel like it but no actual tahi?
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post Mar 26 2018, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(SlomoX @ Mar 26 2018, 10:31 AM)
i myself carry 500ml bottle, dont like the crowd during first 10kms (if its 5km gap between water stations)
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Actually i just hate the hassle of carrying a lot of stuff with you. Not to mention i still don't have the harness and bottle. Too lazy to buy sweat.gif

But i guess it will be necessary for very long runs sweat.gif sweat.gif

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post Mar 26 2018, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(silvadesk @ Mar 26 2018, 10:46 AM)
Speaking of gel.

In my earlier years of running, I used to take gels for my long runs. After 2 years of experimenting, I HONESTLY couldn't find how it helps me in any friggin way -  I know a lot of people who will swear by using gels. So I stopped taking gels and just make sure I am well hydrated before, during and after run. Eat enough rice, pasta and potatoes before race (I don't have other food mantras, feel free to add). If you join ultra race, then most ultras sure got watermelon along the way, just grab those and go. Salt - important. Kurma or Snickers to avoid empty stomach. And gummies to keep me happy before I hit the invisible wall you guys keep mentioning about, LOL.

But most of all, TRAINING CUKUP TAK? Kalau tak cukup training, makan 10 gel pun tak guna kbye.
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Salt need to bring urself one right. I think never see organizer provide them. do you pop those periodically from the start?
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post Mar 26 2018, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(90Boyz @ Mar 26 2018, 04:02 PM)
when you exercise, you will sweat, you will get losses of sodium in your body, so you need salt replenish ..
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woakkay. so you pop them occasionally in the middle of the race onwards?
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post Mar 26 2018, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(silvadesk @ Mar 26 2018, 07:26 PM)
So what is everyone's next event? Mine is Tuba Trail Run in Langkawi.
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I only registered viper tunnel, viper arena and spartan semenyih. So many run i dunno which one to register first +__+
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post Mar 27 2018, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(limyuyang @ Mar 26 2018, 11:42 PM)
Well, sometimes it's only the feelings, sometimes memang can feel the poop at kastam, ready to go already.

But most of the time it's not only the feeling, i can feel my stomach like not feeling well and feel like pooping, and thats what stops me from running continuous for >12km sad.gif

I wonder...if i consume those anti diarrhea pills like imodium, will it helps ? or will it harm my body...

Actually this issue does not occur lately, instead it always occurs whenever i do long runs since i started running ( eventhough i have not been running very often this 2 years, except that now i have to train for scklm fm, only i train for running since last year )

So my another though was could this problem occur due to my body is not used to long runs, not adapted to it yet, thats why after >12km, my body starts to react differently and feels like pooping already.  rclxub.gif
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doesnt sound healthy to supress it with pills and stuff. maybe try emptying your bowels before start running? i think it shouldnt be a big problem if u have pooping break and then just continue with your run. major events like scklm will usually have plenty of toilets along the way.

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