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BEANCOUNTER
post Aug 3 2016, 12:02 AM

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Once the spa is duly signed by bith parties...it has to be launch to stanp opis within 30 days.

Usually when buyer signed spa u dun put the date de...
The date only put after the directors sign them.

You can argue that the time you fully paid the 10% deposit as the date of spa....
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post Aug 3 2016, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Aug 3 2016, 01:02 AM)
Once the spa is duly signed by bith parties...it has to be launch to stanp opis within 30 days.

Usually when buyer signed spa u dun put the date de...
The date only put after the directors sign them.

You can argue that the time you fully paid the 10% deposit as the date of spa....
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One question boss, what if l manually write the date during the spa (to prevent no delay of stamping to gain rpgt date) and the process to stamping had exceeded 30 days? So need to reSPA? Thanks
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post Aug 3 2016, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(Jagalat @ Aug 3 2016, 12:56 AM)
One question boss, what if l manually write the date during the spa (to prevent no delay of stamping to gain rpgt date) and the process to stamping had exceeded 30 days? So need to reSPA? Thanks
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I dunno know lah...ayam not lawyer...

Any lawyer here like to response?
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post Aug 3 2016, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(Jagalat @ Aug 3 2016, 12:56 AM)
One question boss, what if l manually write the date during the spa (to prevent no delay of stamping to gain rpgt date) and the process to stamping had exceeded 30 days? So need to reSPA? Thanks
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Penalty will be imposed for late stamping, as follows:
(a) RM25.00 or 5% of the deficient duty, whichever is the greater, if stamped within 3 months after the time for stamping;

(b) RM50.00 or 10% of the deficient duty, whichever is the greater, if stamped after 3 months but not later than 6 months after the time for stamping;

© RM100.00 or 20% of the deficient duty, whichever is the greater, if stamped after 6 months from the time for stamping; may be imposed.
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post Aug 3 2016, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(Jasoncat @ Aug 3 2016, 10:14 AM)
Penalty will be imposed for late stamping, as follows:
(a) RM25.00 or 5% of the deficient duty, whichever is the greater, if stamped within 3 months after the time for stamping;

(b) RM50.00 or 10% of the deficient duty, whichever is the greater, if stamped after 3 months but not later than 6 months after the time for stamping;

© RM100.00 or 20% of the deficient duty, whichever is the greater, if stamped after 6 months from the time for stamping; may be imposed.
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Thank you.
Whichever the greater is a powerful word.
Is the deficient duty calculated from spa price? Or it is just some admin/procedural charges...
How to calculate the deficient duty?

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post Aug 3 2016, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(Jagalat @ Aug 3 2016, 11:00 AM)
Thank you.
Whichever the greater is a powerful word.
Is the deficient duty calculated from spa price? Or it is just some admin/procedural charges...
How to calculate the deficient duty?
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Says you are supposed to pay RM1000 stamp duty but due to delay for 1 month, there will be a 5% penalty charge on the RM1000, but not on the underlying contract value.
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post Aug 3 2016, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(Jasoncat @ Aug 3 2016, 11:18 AM)
Says you are supposed to pay RM1000 stamp duty but due to delay for 1 month, there will be a 5% penalty charge on the RM1000, but not on the underlying contract value.
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hence the loophole.
many people or biz don't practise stamping.
they can stamp only when there's a need to basis.
and pay the miniscule fine.

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post Aug 3 2016, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(kochin @ Aug 3 2016, 11:48 AM)
hence the loophole.
many people or biz don't practise stamping.
they can stamp only when there's a need to basis.
and pay the miniscule fine.
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and the banks are the culprits too.
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post Aug 3 2016, 01:25 PM

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1) Place booking 2K to secure the unit
2) Developer issue offer letter
3) Apply bank loan for 70% margin and got approval within 10 days
4) 14 days from letter offer sign SPA and paid balance of 10% downpayment after minus 2K booking and discount
5) Developer return the stamped copy of SPA to you 4 months later.

Signed SPA 1st March 2013 but SPA dated 1st July 2013...
SPA stated VP date start 36 months from the date of the agreement.

Now VP date is June 2016. No LAD from developer. Is there a law where developer must stamp the SPA X-days after purchaser sign? Normally they don't fill up the date and leave empty during purchaser sign the SPA...
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post Aug 3 2016, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(chongmelvin2238 @ Aug 3 2016, 01:25 PM)
1) Place booking 2K to secure the unit
2) Developer issue offer letter
3) Apply bank loan for 70% margin and got approval within 10 days
4) 14 days from letter offer sign SPA and paid balance of 10% downpayment after minus 2K booking and discount
5) Developer return the stamped copy of SPA to you 4 months later.

Signed SPA 1st March 2013 but SPA dated 1st July 2013...
SPA stated VP date start 36 months from the date of the agreement.

Now VP date is June 2016. No LAD from developer. Is there a law where developer must stamp the SPA X-days after purchaser sign? Normally they don't fill up the date and leave empty during purchaser sign the SPA...
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do you have the booking receipt?
you can in theory count from that day but it's a hard battle.
but after all, max you can claim is not a lot. minor delays.
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post Aug 3 2016, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(chongmelvin2238 @ Aug 3 2016, 01:25 PM)
1) Place booking 2K to secure the unit
2) Developer issue offer letter
3) Apply bank loan for 70% margin and got approval within 10 days
4) 14 days from letter offer sign SPA and paid balance of 10% downpayment after minus 2K booking and discount
5) Developer return the stamped copy of SPA to you 4 months later.

Signed SPA 1st March 2013 but SPA dated 1st July 2013...
SPA stated VP date start 36 months from the date of the agreement.

Now VP date is June 2016. No LAD from developer. Is there a law where developer must stamp the SPA X-days after purchaser sign? Normally they don't fill up the date and leave empty during purchaser sign the SPA...
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you can built your case there. There are always reason why SPA is printed a date there for everyone signature. You signed, you had accepted their offer. Stamping date is beyond your control but developer should not taking advantage on late stamping to "buy time". exercise your right
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QUOTE(kochin @ Aug 3 2016, 01:35 PM)
do you have the booking receipt?
you can in theory count from that day but it's a hard battle.
but after all, max you can claim is not a lot. minor delays.
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yup. have the receipt.. yes, tough battle. just angry.. mad.gif mad.gif
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post Aug 3 2016, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(peri peri @ Aug 3 2016, 01:58 PM)
you can built your case there. There are always reason why SPA is printed a date there for everyone signature. You signed, you had accepted their offer. Stamping date is beyond your control but developer should not taking advantage on late stamping to "buy time". exercise your right
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SPA usually no date whoa....before buyer sign his/her part.....
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QUOTE(chongmelvin2238 @ Aug 3 2016, 01:25 PM)
1) Place booking 2K to secure the unit
2) Developer issue offer letter
3) Apply bank loan for 70% margin and got approval within 10 days
4) 14 days from letter offer sign SPA and paid balance of 10% downpayment after minus 2K booking and discount
5) Developer return the stamped copy of SPA to you 4 months later.

Signed SPA 1st March 2013 but SPA dated 1st July 2013...
SPA stated VP date start 36 months from the date of the agreement.

Now VP date is June 2016. No LAD from developer. Is there a law where developer must stamp the SPA X-days after purchaser sign? Normally they don't fill up the date and leave empty during purchaser sign the SPA...
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can you remember who did you pay the 10% deposit to?

to the developer or lawyer holds in trust?

like I said earlier, if the deposit is paid to the developer and they 'cash out' immediately, there is good chance you might have a case here.....
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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Aug 3 2016, 02:45 PM)
SPA usually no date whoa....before buyer sign his/her part.....
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Front page and signing page. witnessed by lawyer.
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post Aug 3 2016, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(peri peri @ Aug 3 2016, 02:50 PM)
Front page and signing page. witnessed by lawyer.
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the date they inserted later de....after the directors signed their parts.
I never signed any SPA with date pre printed before buyer signed.
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post Aug 3 2016, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Aug 3 2016, 02:54 PM)
the date they inserted later de....after the directors signed their parts.
I never signed any SPA with date pre printed before buyer signed.
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in this context... that is where the developer took advantage of buyer

Some projects... developer only return the dated + stamped SPA 4-5months after you sign it.

Effectively, the contractual completion date is shifted by same duration. For some... they may just miss the juicy LAD.

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Aug 3 2016, 02:54 PM)
the date they inserted later de....after the directors signed their parts.
I never signed any SPA with date pre printed before buyer signed.
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its not pre printed. When appointment set with lawyer for signing, the LA will chop stamp the date there. you dont sign something without a date, it is very disadvantage to you.
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QUOTE(gks @ Aug 3 2016, 03:00 PM)
in this context... that is where the developer took advantage of buyer

Some projects... developer only return the dated + stamped SPA 4-5months after you sign it.

Effectively, the contractual completion date is shifted by same duration. For some... they may just miss the juicy LAD.
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have you ever signed any new property SPA where the date is printed on SPA before buyer put a stroke in SPA?
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post Aug 3 2016, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(BEANCOUNTER @ Aug 3 2016, 03:04 PM)
have you ever signed any new property SPA where the date is printed on SPA before buyer put a stroke in SPA?
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No.. that is where some developers take advantage where they only sign and stamp the SPA and return it few months later.

In fact... almost like 99% of documents that I signed without date pre-chop on it.



 

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