QUOTE(censett123 @ Sep 27 2016, 02:05 PM)
Funny, all the pipu that write good thing about jjptr are non active forum members with very few post
Ive invested in JJPTR and im an active member.JJPTR
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Sep 28 2016, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE(censett123 @ Sep 27 2016, 02:05 PM) Funny, all the pipu that write good thing about jjptr are non active forum members with very few post Ive invested in JJPTR and im an active member. |
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Sep 28 2016, 09:46 PM
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I think the issue with many ppl is that they assume that those investing in forex scams don't know its a scam. While this might be the case with a number of the investors, there is actually a large number of investors who ARE aware that these are scams.
Lets take Genneva for instance. Genneva had approximately 500,000 investors before it collapsed. Yet how many actually lost their investments and lodged reports saying they were cheated? Yes there will always be those who are afraid of lodging reports even thogh they were cheated but I know of many who made very good returns from Genneva and pulled out before it collapsed. I also know of a group of professionals who have set up companies just to invest in scams like Genneva. They have been doing it since 2010. There are certain rules that one needs to follow strictly when investing in scams: 1) Do not invest what ure not prepared to lose 2) Spread out your investments over a few scams. Never invest heavily in just one 3) Limit exposure to scams older than 1 year. In general forex scams don't last more than 1.5-2 yrs except for the elaborate ones. 4) Do your due diligence before investing. Scams which are already 'hot' and 'popular' on the net are closest to collapsing. The bigger the popularity of the scam, the faster its gonna collapse 5) Invest in scams which are elaborately set up e.g FX United, Efzinitus (both in trouble now). The more elaborate the scam, the harder for the authorities to shut it down. 6) Target scams with moderate returns e.g 11-20% per month. The higher the returns the faster the scam will reach 'maturity' and collapse. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Sep 28 2016, 09:48 PM |
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Sep 30 2016, 10:29 AM
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Its important to note that JJPTR just like FX United, Efzinitus, Venus FX, etc are all forex scams whos business model is solely based on a Ponzi pyramid scheme where funds from new investors are used to pay existing investors. Nothing else said is worth anything. There is no trading done at all. That's why its important to keep getting new investors in.
But ive invested KNOWING that its a scam. It's a risk for sure but its a risk im prepared to take. I pumped in RM16,800 into JJPTR since 3 July 2016. To date ive got back RM10,260. Not too bad I guess. Hope it lasts. |
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Oct 1 2016, 02:22 PM
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QUOTE(Bill Cake @ Sep 30 2016, 06:18 PM) Yes, the rate has gone up coz ringgit is weak against US dollars. There is no homework to be done when ure investing in forex scams. Its all dependent on luck and your risk appetite. If ure lucky the scam lasts long enuf for u to recover your capital and also make a good return. if ure unlucky, the scam runs into trouble before ure able to recover your capital. It was still 3.8/4.2 rate when I registered for 2 new investors 2 days ago. Jjptr will adjust rate every month based on market rate. Btw no registration will be accepted these 3 days as jjptr is busy paying 20% dividend to investors. Me too looking forward to my 4th 20% returns. Many here still think we are fools rushing in........ But we have done our homework. Cheers! The success of a forex scam is 100% dependant on the number of new investors coming in. The moment the new investors are reduced, the scam falls apart and the top honchos close it down to escape. I really hope ure advising all your new recruits that this is a scam and there is a very real risk of losing their investments. That's wht I tell all my downlines. We have to be fair to them by telling them the truth and not mislead them into a false sense of security. |
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Oct 1 2016, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE(stevenlee1990 @ Sep 30 2016, 08:36 PM) Use some gifted common sense. The top performing fund in the world was DSP BlackRock Micro Cap Fund managed to provide a return of 275% from 2013-2016. That's an average of 91% per year only. The bulk of their earnings was made in 2013 and 2014 while 2015 onwards they started to drop because of the volatile stock market. 20% monthly yes is possible. If consistent and commercially, he should have been sitting next to Warren Buffett Funds managed by Wall Street Professionals are only making average 25% return yearly. In tandem, the forex market was badly hit last year and this year. Yes USD5 trillion is traded every day. It doesn't mean profit. It just means trades. Majority of forex traders even the best on Wall Street lost money especially in the first half of this year because of the massive drops in the USD and Euros. So if JJ or any forex scam out there claims that they can consistently provide between 132-240% consistent returns a year from forex trading, then you know that's 100% BULLSHIT. |
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Oct 1 2016, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Sep 30 2016, 01:45 PM) PM me. That means new investors need to pay RM4,300 for a max account. Existing investors get back RM780 per month instead of RM760.Today rate 4.3 / 3.9 USD Increased Correct? |
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Oct 1 2016, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE(idealhometech @ Oct 1 2016, 03:07 PM) Yes, now they need to pay x0.1 more.. But existing investors like us will now get RM780 per month rite?Old rate 4.2 min 25usd - RM105 max 1000usd - RM4200 Now oct 16 New rate 4.3 min 25usd - RM107.5 max 1000usd - RM4300 |
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Oct 1 2016, 11:10 PM
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QUOTE(audio technica @ Oct 1 2016, 07:51 PM) I am now buying my third car, you want to know how? Work hard and dont dream like a fool and invest into these nonsense. U're buying a 3rd car and that's good investment? And no i don't want to know how to buy 3 or 10 cars. Doesn't mean anything to me. And what makes u think we don't work hard? This is a very small part of my total investment portfolio. |
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Oct 2 2016, 04:50 PM
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QUOTE(Davez89 @ Oct 2 2016, 02:38 PM) haha u fool, no one is joining under me so technically im scamming no one. Actually what he said is true. The fact that we participated and are now here encouraging others to participate (albeit knowing the risks) means that we too are part of the intention to scam others.its like saying if someone comes to my house and suicide i'll be charged as a killer. others greed is not my problem. "The act of participation is scamming." how about going back to school? |
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Oct 3 2016, 12:46 PM
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QUOTE(KuzumiTaiga @ Oct 3 2016, 06:27 AM) usually what day of the month ROI will bank in? Distribution is on 3 separate dates depending on when u register 10th, 20th and 30th. And so far since I joined in early July, they have been very prompt with the payments. Quite efficient so far. |
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Oct 3 2016, 10:37 PM
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QUOTE(KuzumiTaiga @ Oct 3 2016, 06:17 PM) don't really think I have the guts to throw more than a few hundred. Is that RM500 or USD500?the 18% every month is very attractive though, meanwhile my friend who put in 10k into CIMB FD only got about 500-ish back after a year. Basically for now if I were to... dump in 500 (FOR EXAMPLE) i'll just have to pray hard hard that it will pay on time for the next 6 months at least to cover back my capital and then faster take out the 500 bucks I put in? U need to keep a few things in mind. Firstly, your budget. Never invest something ure not prepared to lose. Secondly, these are scams which wont last long so go in as big as u can (calculate all risks), make your money and then get out. Thirdly, investing too small is worthless if u ask me. After 6 months, u just 'double up'. |
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Oct 3 2016, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE(Davez89 @ Oct 3 2016, 09:13 PM) if u have such feelings like pray hard hard u can recover back ur money i suggest u dont invest in JJPTR. Same philosophy here. ASB already maxed out, properties 'maxed out' also. So time to take on more riskier ventures. only dump in money u can afford to lose example if u throw in 500 today and its gone the next day how would u feel? if u feel super moody,sad etc etc then better keep in FD. to me investing is like waiting to hit the jackpot having my risk distributed among low/medium/high risk return for example low risk, I invest in ASB.. steady return around 7% high risk would be like jjptr,shares,forex,crypto currency. who knows it might blow up to few thousand % in future? |
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Oct 5 2016, 10:10 PM
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Is it true that some JJ investors have delayed payments?
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Oct 6 2016, 08:59 AM
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QUOTE(bamkai @ Oct 5 2016, 11:06 PM) Now "investmemt " plan is getting very creative. Is this thing even legal? . Or admin just close 1 eye after been fed. Heard my fren who invest 1k usd will earn bk his capital in 2months time and his fren who joined 2yrs ago getting constant 1.2k return every month with just 2k capital. Dono how true is this Any 'investment' plan which offers higher returns than Amanah Saham Bumiputera with little / no additional risk is always a SCAM. What admin are you referring to anyway? Which scheme are you talking about? JJPTR? Your friends are not just earning with their own money/investments. The reason why they can get high returns is also because they have a number of downlines. |
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Oct 6 2016, 10:55 AM
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QUOTE(bamkai @ Oct 6 2016, 10:04 AM) refering to the authority - BNM There are about 10,000 different illegal Ponzi schemes ongoing in Malaysia alone now. Its just too much for BNM to take action fast. But sooner or later they will and that's when the scheme will collapse. |
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Oct 6 2016, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE(Bill Cake @ Oct 6 2016, 12:49 PM) There have been growing calls for the government to have greater control of non-regulated investment activities. However, one issue seems to be the jurisdiction the alternative investment falls under. When it comes to forex schemes, there are 2 differentiators:When contacted, Bank Negara Malaysia said these alternative schemes are not under its purview. The Securities Commission only regulates capital market instruments.Public are advised to be cautious of the risk associated with these alternative investment. 1) If forex trading is being done but minus a official licence, it falls under BNM 2) If forex trading is just a front to mask the Ponzi (member get member) scheme at the back, it falls under PDRM Commercial Crimes Either way both are illegal and both will be acted upon by either BNM or PDRM. |
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Oct 7 2016, 12:07 AM
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QUOTE(limyeeshin @ Oct 6 2016, 04:02 PM) Just some information to shared with you. 100% correct. All illegal forex schemes who promise high returns do this. Its called SIMULATION. FX United, Efzinitus, etc especially. NO real trading takes place. Its all bullshit. The only thing that sustains the scheme are NEW MEMBERSHIP. Without that, everything collapses.I saw this from a FB page which expose and educate people about the ponzi schemes and scams in Malaysia. https://www.facebook.com/JusticeAlwaysLate2/https://www.facebook.com/JusticeAlwaysLate2/ Look for the post on 31st Aug. Its in Chinese so sorry to those who does not understand. First of all do not blindly believe whatever the page said. It is also possible he has his own agenda. But I am sharing this info because of a particular interesting story. ----- In order to convince its investor, JJPTR allow investor login to its MT4 "Real trade" account in weekend to see the profit with their own eyes. Forex market DO NOT open in the weekend so all you see there is only the trade results. An anonymous source provider login to JJPTR's real trading account in the weekend. He left the MT4 terminal stayed login throughout the weekend then on Monday, SURPRISE! JJPTR's staff didn't saw this guy still login to the real trading account and they started they EA on a fine Monday morning as usual. Check this real time trading activity as recorded on their MT4 account: at 2:18, all the floating losses trades were DELETED using the MT4 administrator account. How does that happened? There were about 800k USD of loses, and take close look at the balance. When all the losing trades disappeared, the balance is UNCHANGED!! That means those loses trades are gone into thin air, which is impossible in ANY legit trading account. Then follow the video to see the account history, NO SIGN of those losing trades. For a combine of more than 800K loses, it SURE will appear in the activity history and also cause the account balance to reduce. There are one particular position which is >700 lot in one trade. This did not shown in the account history as stated as well. For a trade that BIG in size, its hard to overlook it. Where did it went? Deleted of course. Why none of that happened? Because those losing trades were simply deleted as if they didn't exist. This can only be done when the company DID NOT even put the trades into the REAL MARKET. so the whole thing that JJ claimed where their main source of income is fake. If JJPTR wants to rebuke this, they are by all mean welcome to let people watch them trade LIVE. This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Oct 7 2016, 12:08 AM |
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Oct 7 2016, 08:45 AM
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QUOTE(Bill Cake @ Oct 7 2016, 12:50 AM) You are just wasting yr time exposing their trading activities . What you show us here is just a good example He is merely trying to prove that there is no forex trading being done by JJPTR contrary to what they claim. While most of us here know that JJPTR is a scam, there are many unscrupulous agents who go around telling lies that JJPTR actually does forex trades. His post above gives potential investors the proof they need to counter that. After that it becomes their risk if they want to invest in something that's illegal and based on a Ponzi scheme.of paper trading . Win or lose here is not going to affect jjptr. Is not going to cause jjptr to fold up even if they incur loses for several weeks. You must be new to this form of investment. |
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QUOTE(Hnnnnggg @ Oct 9 2016, 02:29 AM) cant believe still have folks believe these shit... if money can come so easy... better all quit your job just invest on these. U don't have to believe in order to invest. Most of us know that. |
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QUOTE(Bill Cake @ Oct 9 2016, 03:07 PM) Yes, for some smart investors money comes easy but why should they quit their jobs. Whats Mface?After all they are getting high returns without doing anything. Just like putting money in fixed deposit. A friend of mine is getting more than rm10k a month from investing in Mface and he is not quitting. No reason for him to quit but to enjoy his extra bonus with his family every month. Not everyone has the guts to get involved in high risk scheme so just wish them Good Luck After all is their money, 😂😂😂 |
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