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amad108
post Jul 25 2016, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(yattnana @ Jul 25 2016, 01:12 PM)
Honda have 5 years unlimited mileage warranty.... thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
Great to those travelling salesmans who covered 80K km per year  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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free labor only, no free parts i think..
mazda each time service no need to pay at all.. 5 years warranty mean u have commitment to send to SC for 5 years..

so have pro n cons there..
3 years with free parts n labor - mazda (engine oil, oil filter, cabin filter etc FOC)
5 years with free labor - honda

that free labor for how many times for honda? is it for 5 years too? if yes quite nice..
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QUOTE(isr25 @ Jul 25 2016, 11:16 AM)
If you want to get the civic, get the 1.5T. Frugal if you drive normally, but power is there if you need it. Don't think of it as a "Turbo" per se, but an efficient 2.4L engine. People may say a lot about the CVT, but you'll see the speedo numbers going up up up, even though you may not "feel" it coz it's very linear.
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Civic 1.5T doesn't have the power of a 2.4L engine. I would say it is closer to 2.0L

QUOTE(Vinci777 @ Jul 25 2016, 11:29 AM)
Mazda 3 facelift coming out next year you dont wanna buy a car now den sulk up looking at more hensem 1 next year. sad.gif
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There is very little physical change over the existing model but you get the new "torque steer" electronic aid for cornering. Not a lot to wait for and price may go up.

QUOTE(yattnana @ Jul 25 2016, 01:12 PM)
Honda have 5 years unlimited mileage warranty.... thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
Great to those travelling salesmans who covered 80K km per year  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif
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You have to fight tooth and nail to claim warranty from Honda when your car is less than 3 years old. After 3 years good luck to you. Hopefully you haven't added in any accessory to give them reason to void your warranty.
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post Jul 25 2016, 01:46 PM

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and why boot capacity for civic is smaller then city?
519 liter civic vs 536 liter city

while mazda 3 only a mere 419 liter for sedan.. even the new perodua bezza is 509 liter
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post Jul 25 2016, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(kluseng @ Jul 25 2016, 01:45 PM)
You have to fight tooth and nail to claim warranty from Honda when your car is less than 3 years old. After 3 years good luck to you. Hopefully you haven't added in any accessory to give them reason to void your warranty.
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as for mazda, my friend CX5 got no problem claims warranty.. its below plastic cover damage due to hit something hard.. ask mazda to replace while in warranty, they do it with no question ask..
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QUOTE(kluseng @ Jul 25 2016, 01:45 PM)
Civic 1.5T doesn't have the power of a 2.4L engine. I would say it is closer to 2.0L
There is very little physical change over the existing model but you get the new "torque steer" electronic aid for cornering. Not a lot to wait for and price may go up.
You have to fight tooth and nail to claim warranty from Honda when your car is less than 3 years old. After 3 years good luck to you. Hopefully you haven't added in any accessory to give them reason to void your warranty.
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depends on where you service your Honda. I never had that problem when it comes to claims.

However for Mazda, i had bad experience with their service center. won't be buying any mazda in the near future.
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post Jul 25 2016, 01:54 PM

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if u buying honda civic 1.8 better choose mazda3 if u wanna more oomph. Otherwise if you prefer tech, go for civic.

If you need more oomph go for civic 1.5TC
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QUOTE(amad108 @ Jul 25 2016, 01:46 PM)
and why boot capacity for civic is smaller then city?
519 liter civic vs 536 liter city

while mazda 3 only a mere 419 liter for sedan.. even the new perodua bezza is 509 liter
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The sophisticated multilink rear suspension take up a lot of space....
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post Jul 25 2016, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(kluseng @ Jul 25 2016, 01:45 PM)
Civic 1.5T doesn't have the power of a 2.4L engine. I would say it is closer to 2.0L
There is very little physical change over the existing model but you get the new "torque steer" electronic aid for cornering. Not a lot to wait for and price may go up.
You have to fight tooth and nail to claim warranty from Honda when your car is less than 3 years old. After 3 years good luck to you. Hopefully you haven't added in any accessory to give them reason to void your warranty.
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It is performing as a 2.4L engine - the only exception seems to be Mazda SkyActiv engines which runs a very high compression ratio of 13.0:1 - then yes, Civic 1.5T is close to the Mazda 2.0 engine performance. But when compared to Honda, Toyota, Mitsubishi cars, it's performing like a 2.4L engine. Look it up smile.gif
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post Jul 25 2016, 03:24 PM

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Just get the car that you "feel" connected or really want to own. No need to think so hard about the differences. Go test drive both cars, all the variants, be thick face enough to test drive a few times and longer distances. Request to drive on longer routes, preferably those that you use the most like those to and fro workplace. IF they don't allow on that day itself, schedule a time where they can make arrangement to block longer time for you. If they still don't allow. get another sales adviser or another dealer.

I test drive for more than 70km totally more than 1 hour on the Mazda3 and dealer and sales adviser entertained my request happily. The sales adviser also let me go up to highway (toll bayar sendiri la of course), drive above speed limit almost the whole stretch. The SA some more mention don't know why people don't dare test drive further and harder, so i must be a rare one. Just that another sales advisor with a potential customer kind of angry as they waited longer than expected.

Engine performance wise is pretty much similar for normal driving. The Civic might have better response as it is a more powerful turbocharged engine after all. However, the Skyactiv engine is no slouch either and can rev up quite easily. The behavior is also different due to the type of transmission used. So again, go test drive and "feel" which you prefer.

Bring your family along if that's a concern to you. If not, better don't as will be more opinions and viewpoints that confuses you. If you're an active person that does sports, bring along your sports equipment and see whether you can secure/fit into the cabin/boot properly. Big is nice but doesn't always mean best. How likely are you to fit the boot to the brim in your current car's ownership. Hardly or never right?

Road noise is a bit subjective. Some can be higher pitched, some lower pitched. Tyres also play a part. Mazda comes with a set of performance tyres from factory. These tyres' is noisier in nature as the compounds are harder for better grip and lesser sidewall flexing. The Civic on the other hand comes with normal tyres. Hence will be more cosseting.

The mazda definitely losses out in interior space, but I ferry my family around with it including a baby in a baby chair and no one complains about being squeezy. If you're close or above 6 feet, only than the difference can be greatly felt. On a side note, my baby likes it when I corner hard on the mazda biggrin.gif

IF still really can't decide, just go for the Civic. Even halfway through you hate the car, you can ditch it easily as the resale market for it is good.

This post has been edited by wkc5657: Jul 25 2016, 03:34 PM
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Just tested the new Civic (but never driven the M3 before), I can say it drives quite well.

Other than the fact that is a front wheel drive, the engine response is good and fairly immediate. I was changing lane from 2nd to 3rd and i had no problems getting up to 3rd lane speeds. Cornering was good too for a front wheel drive car.

Kit wise, the medium spec without the LED or Nav is good enough as the car has the killer feature of all, Mirror Link for iOS and Android. I think all cars should have this feature regardless of what make and to have it at this price point and integrated in to the car system, makes it a very good ownership prospect of the potential buyer. It may not have the exterior styling of a M3 but it won't be too boring to look at in the long run.
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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jul 25 2016, 03:24 PM)
Just get the car that you "feel" connected or really want to own. No need to think so hard about the differences. Go test drive both cars, all the variants, be thick face enough to test drive a few times and longer distances. Request to drive on longer routes, preferably those that you use the most like those to and fro workplace. IF they don't allow on that day itself, schedule a time where they can make arrangement to block longer time for you. If they still don't allow. get another sales adviser or another dealer.

I test drive for more than 70km totally more than 1 hour on the Mazda3 and dealer and sales adviser entertained my request happily. The sales adviser also let me go up to highway (toll bayar sendiri la of course), drive above speed limit almost the whole stretch. The SA some more mention don't know why people don't dare test drive further and harder, so i must be a rare one. Just that another sales advisor with a potential customer kind of angry as they waited longer than expected.
I often floor the pedal when test drive but before I do that I will always ask the SA OK nor not. Fast U turn. Bad roads. Otherwise why call it a test car? biggrin.gif

If like it at first drive, come back another day and see still like it or not. Who knows, may be 1st test drive the star and the sun are in my favor but not the next?

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post Jul 25 2016, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(isr25 @ Jul 25 2016, 02:27 PM)
It is performing as a 2.4L engine - the only exception seems to be Mazda SkyActiv engines which runs a very high compression ratio of 13.0:1 - then yes, Civic 1.5T is close to the Mazda 2.0 engine performance. But when compared to Honda, Toyota, Mitsubishi cars, it's performing like a 2.4L engine. Look it up smile.gif
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WTH did u trying to convey? Honda to Honda comparison?
I'm sure u have never driven M3 before.
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post Jul 25 2016, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(leon898 @ Jul 25 2016, 06:07 PM)
WTH did u trying to convey? Honda to Honda comparison?
I'm sure u have never driven M3 before.
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I'm trying to convey that Mazda's engine are indeed powerful bro. Mazda's 2.0 Engines are close to Honda's 1.5T or 2.4L engines. Do read carefully

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post Jul 25 2016, 10:29 PM

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My comments with the Civic would be:

1) The welding of the car doesn't seem up to par
2) The rear door needs strength to close, maybe i tried when the car was still new lol.
3) 1.8 Civic seems sufficient for city driving to my surprise
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QUOTE(Victor3010 @ Jul 25 2016, 10:29 PM)
My comments with the Civic would be:

1) The welding of the car doesn't seem up to par
2) The rear door needs strength to close, maybe i tried when the car was still new lol.
3) 1.8 Civic seems sufficient for city driving to my surprise
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The new EarthDream CVT make the 1.8L civic felt more powerful that it actually is. Damn good gearbox!
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post Jul 25 2016, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(yattnana @ Jul 25 2016, 04:07 PM)
The new EarthDream CVT make the 1.8L civic felt more powerful that it actually is. Damn good gearbox!
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Oh yes, that gearbox made the 1.8 awesome!
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post Jul 25 2016, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jul 25 2016, 08:24 AM)
Just get the car that you "feel" connected or really want to own. No need to think so hard about the differences. Go test drive both cars, all the variants, be thick face enough to test drive a few times and longer distances. Request to drive on longer routes, preferably those that you use the most like those to and fro workplace. IF they don't allow on that day itself, schedule a time where they can make arrangement to block longer time for you. If they still don't allow. get another sales adviser or another dealer.

I test drive for more than 70km totally more than 1 hour on the Mazda3 and dealer and sales adviser entertained my request happily. The sales adviser also let me go up to highway (toll bayar sendiri la of course), drive above speed limit almost the whole stretch. The SA some more mention don't know why people don't dare test drive further and harder, so i must be a rare one. Just that another sales advisor with a potential customer kind of angry as they waited longer than expected.

Engine performance wise is pretty much similar for normal driving. The Civic might have better response as it is a more powerful turbocharged engine after all. However, the Skyactiv engine is no slouch either and can rev up quite easily. The behavior is also different due to the type of transmission used. So again, go test drive and "feel" which you prefer.

Bring your family along if that's a concern to you. If not, better don't as will be more opinions and viewpoints that confuses you. If you're an active person that does sports, bring along your sports equipment and see whether you can secure/fit into the cabin/boot properly. Big is nice but doesn't always mean best. How likely are you to fit the boot to the brim in your current car's ownership. Hardly or never right?

Road noise is a bit subjective. Some can be higher pitched, some lower pitched. Tyres also play a part. Mazda comes with a set of performance tyres from factory. These tyres' is noisier in nature as the compounds are harder for better grip and lesser sidewall flexing. The Civic on the other hand comes with normal tyres. Hence will be more cosseting.

The mazda definitely losses out in interior space, but I ferry my family around with it including a baby in a baby chair and no one complains about being squeezy. If you're close or above 6 feet, only than the difference can be greatly felt. On a side note, my baby likes it when I corner hard on the mazda biggrin.gif

IF still really can't decide, just go for the Civic. Even halfway through you hate the car, you can ditch it easily as the resale market for it is good.
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QUOTE(amad108 @ Jul 25 2016, 06:39 AM)
free labor only, no free parts i think..
mazda each time service no need to pay at all.. 5 years warranty mean u have commitment to send to SC for 5 years..

so have pro n cons there..
3 years with free parts n labor - mazda (engine oil, oil filter, cabin filter etc FOC)
5 years with free labor - honda

that free labor for how many times for honda? is it for 5 years too? if yes quite nice..
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I think Honda's free labor is every alternate service provided you achieve your mileage on time vmad.gif vmad.gif vmad.gif
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post Jul 26 2016, 01:09 AM

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Thanks to all the sifus here.

Went to test drive both cars again and now the choice leans more towards the Honda Civic 1.5 turbocharged variant. It is fairly powerful, with less tyre noise and better sound insulation in my opinion. The more spacious cabin also provides a more comfortable ride, especially for passengers. The Mazda is more sport oriented. Hence, the Civic is more suited for families in my opinion.

This post has been edited by soliddragon88: Jul 26 2016, 01:10 AM

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