yea, KO in terms of higher fuel consumption and probably more noisy cabin. not bashing proton but most of us knows proton cars FC haven't been so well, and the NVH also one of their weakness.

proton site already have the info for Persona R

too bad it can't get EEV status, hoping saga can get EEV status.

EEV status doesn't depend on your engine is new or not. if to say old, bezza dual VVT NR series engine is at least 8 years old, while campro vvt is just like 5 years old max.

the vehicle weight plays an important role in fuel economy, of coz the tuning of engine and gearbox as well. to entitle for EEV status for persona and saga (1000-1200kg level), the FC need to be 5.0L per 100km tested under a dunno what UN standard adi. Persona fail it because relatively heavy body (that makes the FC higher), and the slightly bigger engine capacity.

With saga, i presume the weight is 1050kg, which is 100kg lesser than persona, and 1300cc vvt engine, with a better tuned CVT box, i think saga able to achieve the requirement of 5L per 100km provided proton tune it well. Just finger crossed.

saga is the only chance for proton to undercut bezza and myvi at one shot. persona will be fighting on it's own turf as there's no b seg sedan from perodua, same as preve. iriz is fighting with myvi but it lose out.

Bezza is A seg and for saga proton place it under A+ seg, with the body frame and platform remains the same as old saga, i believe the interior space wouldn't be a a world apart from current saga hence make it more spacious than bezza, but still, it really depends on how much effort proton had put into saga if they wanna undercut bezza using saga. I just worried proton put too much effort in persona and ertiga and less concentration on saga, in the end of the days we still having reliability problem, assembly problem, bad NVH (saga NVH is really a killer i would say).

Just hope that the upcoming saga is a good car, if the fuel ecoonomy is good then it will able to put up a good show, forcing perodua to up their game by improving bezza. i call it healthy competition.

repo wise, perodua beats proton hands down; reliability wise, perodua wins proton by a tat. both have their own problems but relatively perodua is better. my house 2006 myvi doing well but 2009 saga BLM already had some oil seal and bearings replaced.

FC wise, needless to say, campro iafm vs dvvt.

For handling no way perodua come close to Proton, i tested bezza and the body roll makes me uneasy, and the throttle response is really sluggish, i used to thought my BLM throttle response is sucks enough, guess i found another champion already.

i agree to you, i think HPF will not feature on the saga, but if proton able to achieve tax break due to EEV status, then maybe HPF is possible. When your car is lighter, you able to get a better FC. Old sga BLM is 1050kg, i bet the new saga should be around that, the game plan will be tweaking the engine and gearbox if proton want to push saga for EEV status.

I'm really looking forward for the new saga, to see whether it able to challenge the supremacy of bezza when it launch, if proton really sincere, i think they could.

give you three years free service consider a big charity adi.... i bet the free service doesnt includes timing belt kit, else you gonna save a lot.