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GOBEK API - SATU CIPTAAN MELAYU UNTUK DUNIA

Gobek api ialah sejenis alat yg digunakan utk menyalakan api. Ia diperbuat daripada kayu atau tanduk dan ada yg dihias dgn perak dan emas.

Fungsinya sama dgn lighter hari ini. Gobek api dicipta dan digunakan di nusantara sejak abad ke 17.

Ia berdasarkan prinsip pemampatan (combustion). Udara yg dimampatkan melalui tekanan omboh (piston) menghasilkan kepanasan sehingga 800°F.

Justeru ia boleh membakar cebisan kapas, kekabu atau habuk dari daun enau atau dedalu yg mudah terbakar yg diletakkan di hujung omboh.

Ertinya saintis Melayu dulu dah faham ilmu kimia, fizik dan biologi utk menghasilkan alat kecil yg merupakan inovasi Melayu ini.

Malah seorang saintis Jerman (maaf saya tak ingat namanya) dalam artikel beliau menyatakan kekaguman terhadap ciptaan Melayu ini dan menganggap gobek api inilah yg mencetuskan idea utk Jerman menghasilkan sistem enjin diesel (boleh Google dan baca sendiri).

Apa pun kedatangan explorer Eropah ke Nusantara pada abad ke 18 menyebabkan mereka terlihat gobek api ini lalu dibawa pulang dan dikaji.

Akhirnya pada lewat abad ke 18 saintis Perancis dan Britain mendaftar paten utk alat ini. Awal abad ke 20 pula seorang pereka Amerika Syarikat mendaftar paten di USA di bawah nama fire piston.

Lihatlah betapa mereka menciplak ciptaan nenek moyang kita, memanggilnya dgn nama primitive technology dan kemudian mengaku yg ia hasil ciptaan mereka.

Di mana prinsip intellectual property yg mereka agungkan?

Apapun sedarlah saudara/ri bahawa org Melayu telah mencipta teknologi ini 200 tahun sebelum Barat mampu mencipta alat menghidupkan api. Pada 1805 barulah Jean Chancel mencipta macis di Paris. Pada 1910 barulah Ronson mencipta lighter diikuti Zippo 1932.

Jadi sedarlah wahai org Melayu bahawa anda sebenarnya bangsa yg cerdik dan pernah memberi sumbangan besar kepada tamadun dunia.

rujuk juga :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_piston
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvZzTWej764
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An 1876 New York Times article[4] reported the discovery of the earliest date of its use in the west. It reports an address by a Professor Govi that claimed a book written by Father Boscovich, of Rome in 1755, De Litteraria Expeditione per Pontifican Ditionem, (The Clever Mechanism) makes the claim that the fire piston was invented in 1745 by Abbe Augustin Ruffo. This report also claims that the modern fire piston was reinvented independently in the west through experiments with the air gun and not modeled after Asian designs.

It is recorded that the first fire piston made its wider debut in front of scientists in 1802 and was patented in 1807 simultaneously in both England and France. Fire pistons, or fire syringes as they were called then, were popular household tools throughout Europe during the early nineteenth century until the safety match was invented in 1844.
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An 1876 New York Times article[4] reported the discovery of the earliest date of its use in the west. It reports an address by a Professor Govi that claimed a book written by Father Boscovich, of Rome in 1755, De Litteraria Expeditione per Pontifican Ditionem, (The Clever Mechanism) makes the claim that the fire piston was invented in 1745 by Abbe Augustin Ruffo. This report also claims that the modern fire piston was reinvented independently in the west through experiments with the air gun and not modeled after Asian designs.

It is recorded that the first fire piston made its wider debut in front of scientists in 1802 and was patented in 1807 simultaneously in both England and France. Fire pistons, or fire syringes as they were called then, were popular household tools throughout Europe during the early nineteenth century until the safety match was invented in 1844.
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> reinvented
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Later bomb also ciptaan mslayu.
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post Jul 22 2016, 07:26 PM

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Lighter for the cave men, seems legit.
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Pemampatan is compression
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ini boleh pusing sampai meleis pencipta pistol ni
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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Jul 22 2016, 07:25 PM)
Later bomb also ciptaan mslayu.
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Ko tau pistol dalam cerita pirate of caribbean? Tu namanya "terakol"
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Ko tau pistol dalam cerita pirate of caribbean? Tu namanya "terakol"
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Tak tau. But i know all those ciptaan pertama will become melayu

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QUOTE(edwardstevens @ Jul 22 2016, 07:14 PM)
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GOBEK API - SATU CIPTAAN MELAYU UNTUK DUNIA

Gobek api ialah sejenis alat yg digunakan utk menyalakan api. Ia diperbuat daripada kayu atau tanduk dan ada yg dihias dgn perak dan emas.

Fungsinya sama dgn lighter hari ini. Gobek api dicipta dan digunakan di nusantara sejak abad ke 17.

Ia berdasarkan prinsip pemampatan (combustion). Udara yg dimampatkan melalui tekanan omboh (piston) menghasilkan kepanasan sehingga 800°F.

Justeru ia boleh membakar cebisan kapas, kekabu atau habuk dari daun enau atau dedalu yg mudah terbakar yg diletakkan di hujung omboh.

Ertinya saintis Melayu dulu dah faham ilmu kimia, fizik dan biologi utk menghasilkan alat kecil yg merupakan inovasi Melayu ini.

Malah seorang saintis Jerman (maaf saya tak ingat namanya) dalam artikel beliau menyatakan kekaguman terhadap ciptaan Melayu ini dan menganggap gobek api inilah yg mencetuskan idea utk Jerman menghasilkan sistem enjin diesel (boleh Google dan baca sendiri).

Apa pun kedatangan explorer Eropah ke Nusantara pada abad ke 18 menyebabkan mereka terlihat gobek api ini lalu dibawa pulang dan dikaji.

Akhirnya pada lewat abad ke 18 saintis Perancis dan Britain mendaftar paten utk alat ini. Awal abad ke 20 pula seorang pereka Amerika Syarikat mendaftar paten di USA di bawah nama fire piston.

Lihatlah betapa mereka menciplak ciptaan nenek moyang kita, memanggilnya dgn nama primitive technology dan kemudian mengaku yg ia hasil ciptaan mereka.

Di mana prinsip intellectual property yg mereka agungkan?

Apapun sedarlah saudara/ri bahawa org Melayu telah mencipta teknologi ini 200 tahun sebelum Barat mampu mencipta alat menghidupkan api. Pada 1805 barulah Jean Chancel mencipta macis di Paris. Pada 1910 barulah Ronson mencipta lighter diikuti Zippo 1932.

Jadi sedarlah wahai org Melayu bahawa anda sebenarnya bangsa yg cerdik dan pernah memberi sumbangan besar kepada tamadun dunia.

rujuk juga :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_piston
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvZzTWej764
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tapi sekarang? kena potek.
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zaman kegemilangan Melaka dah lama berakhir

bangun lah dan belajar sebanyak yang mungkin

jangan duduk lepak je
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then how about chinese bamboo piston?

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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Jul 22 2016, 07:37 PM)
Tak tau. But i know all those ciptaan pertama will become melayu

#melayuhebat
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Ciptaan melayu byk dipengaruhi China dan Uthmaniah

If u watchpower rangers wild force got scene battle with things like keris yo.
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QUOTE(smallcrab @ Jul 22 2016, 07:39 PM)
zaman kegemilangan Melaka dah lama berakhir

bangun lah dan belajar sebanyak yang mungkin

jangan duduk lepak je
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when melayu are pagan, they brain are genius
till arab come and spread some random doctrine doh.gif
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QUOTE(edwardstevens @ Jul 22 2016, 07:14 PM)
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GOBEK API - SATU CIPTAAN MELAYU UNTUK DUNIA

Gobek api ialah sejenis alat yg digunakan utk menyalakan api. Ia diperbuat daripada kayu atau tanduk dan ada yg dihias dgn perak dan emas.

Fungsinya sama dgn lighter hari ini. Gobek api dicipta dan digunakan di nusantara sejak abad ke 17.

Ia berdasarkan prinsip pemampatan (combustion). Udara yg dimampatkan melalui tekanan omboh (piston) menghasilkan kepanasan sehingga 800°F.

Justeru ia boleh membakar cebisan kapas, kekabu atau habuk dari daun enau atau dedalu yg mudah terbakar yg diletakkan di hujung omboh.

Ertinya saintis Melayu dulu dah faham ilmu kimia, fizik dan biologi utk menghasilkan alat kecil yg merupakan inovasi Melayu ini.

Malah seorang saintis Jerman (maaf saya tak ingat namanya) dalam artikel beliau menyatakan kekaguman terhadap ciptaan Melayu ini dan menganggap gobek api inilah yg mencetuskan idea utk Jerman menghasilkan sistem enjin diesel (boleh Google dan baca sendiri).

Apa pun kedatangan explorer Eropah ke Nusantara pada abad ke 18 menyebabkan mereka terlihat gobek api ini lalu dibawa pulang dan dikaji.

Akhirnya pada lewat abad ke 18 saintis Perancis dan Britain mendaftar paten utk alat ini. Awal abad ke 20 pula seorang pereka Amerika Syarikat mendaftar paten di USA di bawah nama fire piston.

Lihatlah betapa mereka menciplak ciptaan nenek moyang kita, memanggilnya dgn nama primitive technology dan kemudian mengaku yg ia hasil ciptaan mereka.

Di mana prinsip intellectual property yg mereka agungkan?

Apapun sedarlah saudara/ri bahawa org Melayu telah mencipta teknologi ini 200 tahun sebelum Barat mampu mencipta alat menghidupkan api. Pada 1805 barulah Jean Chancel mencipta macis di Paris. Pada 1910 barulah Ronson mencipta lighter diikuti Zippo 1932.

Jadi sedarlah wahai org Melayu bahawa anda sebenarnya bangsa yg cerdik dan pernah memberi sumbangan besar kepada tamadun dunia.

rujuk juga :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_piston
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvZzTWej764
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ni nak perli ke?

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QUOTE(acer7254 @ Jul 22 2016, 07:45 PM)
when melayu are pagan, they brain are genius
till arab come and spread some random doctrine doh.gif
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Errr.. Arabs were great creators/scientists too
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QUOTE(andriel @ Jul 22 2016, 07:50 PM)
Errr.. Arabs were great creators/scientists too
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QUOTE(andriel @ Jul 22 2016, 07:50 PM)
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He's talking about the religionist, not race
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QUOTE(K.I.T.T @ Jul 22 2016, 07:34 PM)
Ko tau pistol dalam cerita pirate of caribbean? Tu namanya "terakol"
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Wrong. It is called flintlock.


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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Jul 22 2016, 07:19 PM)
An 1876 New York Times article[4] reported the discovery of the earliest date of its use in the west. It reports an address by a Professor Govi that claimed a book written by Father Boscovich, of Rome in 1755, De Litteraria Expeditione per Pontifican Ditionem, (The Clever Mechanism) makes the claim that the fire piston was invented in 1745 by Abbe Augustin Ruffo. This report also claims that the modern fire piston was reinvented independently in the west through experiments with the air gun and not modeled after Asian designs.

It is recorded that the first fire piston made its wider debut in front of scientists in 1802 and was patented in 1807 simultaneously in both England and France. Fire pistons, or fire syringes as they were called then, were popular household tools throughout Europe during the early nineteenth century until the safety match was invented in 1844.
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orang inggeris ni dalam sejarah mana pernah mengaku curi idea bangsa lain.
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QUOTE(stupiak07 @ Jul 22 2016, 07:41 PM)
then how about chinese bamboo piston?
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A note in the text Cho Keng Lu, written in 1366, describes a sulfur match, small sticks of pinewood impregnated with sulfur, used in China by "impoverished court ladies" in AD 577 during the conquest of Northern Qi.

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China already use sulfur match lah that time
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QUOTE(acer7254 @ Jul 22 2016, 07:45 PM)
when melayu are pagan, they brain are genius
till arab come and spread some random doctrine doh.gif
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That doctrine also encourage scientist to create vaccine and it benefits the whole world also. So you're saying.....
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QUOTE(maraippo @ Jul 22 2016, 08:28 PM)
That doctrine also encourage scientist to create vaccine and it benefits the whole world also. So you're saying.....
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That doctrine also encourages followers to drink camel piss.

So you were saying…?
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But the wiki article says it was SEA and the Pacific Islands. How come now suddenly become exclusively ciptaan Melayu?

Budaya polish own bontot + self jilat?
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QUOTE(WhitE LighteR @ Jul 22 2016, 07:19 PM)
An 1876 New York Times article[4] reported the discovery of the earliest date of its use in the west. It reports an address by a Professor Govi that claimed a book written by Father Boscovich, of Rome in 1755, De Litteraria Expeditione per Pontifican Ditionem, (The Clever Mechanism) makes the claim that the fire piston was invented in 1745 by Abbe Augustin Ruffo. This report also claims that the modern fire piston was reinvented independently in the west through experiments with the air gun and not modeled after Asian designs.

It is recorded that the first fire piston made its wider debut in front of scientists in 1802 and was patented in 1807 simultaneously in both England and France. Fire pistons, or fire syringes as they were called then, were popular household tools throughout Europe during the early nineteenth century until the safety match was invented in 1844.
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QUOTE(ThirdSon @ Jul 22 2016, 09:00 PM)
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tumbdrive also Malaysian invention also what....until,
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Chinese Matches: History, Facts and Science

The ancient Chinese did have one advantage in that they discovered how to make steel as early as the second century BCE from cast iron. It is easier and quicker to start a fire by striking flint against steel than by striking flint against iron pyrite.

Behind How the First Chinese Match was Made
In the sixth century CE, during the Chen dynasty, a clever maid had a new idea on how to start fires. The story goes that the palace she lived in was under a long siege by a neighboring states’ ruler and his army. When the palace ran out of kindling or other items to use in building fires for cooking and heating, the maid dipped the ends of small pieces of pine sticks into sulfur. Once the sulfur dried, the sticks made fire when rubbed together or lit by sparks. This allowed larger pieces of wood to be used to build the fire and it was quicker than striking a flint rock against steel to produce sparks. These first pine sticks or Chinese matches were essentially developed, manufactured, and used to keep the people in the palace fed and warm.

About four hundred years later around 950 CE, a book written by T’ao Ku, Records of the Unworldly and the Strange, described a similar method of dipping pine sticks in sulfur to produce fire. T’ao Ku described that the sulfur-dipped sticks were stored for later use. The ancient Chinese, as early as the sixth century BCE, knew about sulfur. They’ve used it in Traditional Chinese Medicine since to at least the second century CE. Another name for sulfur is brimstone or burning stone, which lead to the discovery in the eleventh century CE by Daoists, of gunpowder, a mixture of potassium nitrate, sulfur, and charcoal.


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QUOTE(spanker @ Jul 22 2016, 09:23 PM)
That doctrine also encourages followers to drink camel piss.

So you were saying…?
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QUOTE(differ @ Jul 22 2016, 09:29 PM)
But the wiki article says it was SEA and the Pacific Islands. How come now suddenly become exclusively ciptaan Melayu?

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QUOTE(Zaryl @ Jul 22 2016, 08:08 PM)
Wrong. It is called flintlock.
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Flintflok tu nana orang putih bagi. Nama asalnya terakol la.
Bila nusantara melayu dah habis jahanam orang putih bawak balik technology tu.

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post Jul 23 2016, 10:53 AM

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post Jul 23 2016, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(maraippo @ Jul 23 2016, 12:09 AM)
So you can only see negativity then
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How many positives does it take to cancel out negatives like paedophilia and wife beating and beheading and stoning and drinking camel piss?
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post Jul 23 2016, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(spanker @ Jul 23 2016, 01:06 PM)
How many positives does it take to cancel out negatives like paedophilia and wife beating and beheading and stoning and  drinking camel piss?
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Or 5000 years of civilization that has reputation around the world now that has no manners kicin vara everywhere whistling.gif
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post Jul 24 2016, 05:25 AM

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QUOTE(maraippo @ Jul 23 2016, 02:00 PM)
Or 5000 years of civilization that has reputation around the world now that has no manners kicin vara everywhere whistling.gif
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Tu quoque arguments don't work anymore la. doh.gif
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post Jan 15 2019, 12:44 AM

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QUOTE(acer7254 @ Jul 22 2016, 07:45 PM)
when melayu are pagan, they brain are genius
till arab come and spread some random doctrine doh.gif
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Keep ur ignorant mind to urself. If u dun wish to learn, save ur face and keep quiet.
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post Jan 15 2019, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(kcchong2000 @ Jul 22 2016, 07:25 PM)
Later bomb also ciptaan mslayu.
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And what if it is? Ur butthurt or what? Acknowledging one’’s history and civilization is not demeaning others. It means we cherish what we had from the past to shape our future. At least we tryin. Whats wrong with that? Why cant we just celebrate our findings n try continue to live on the legacy?
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post Jan 15 2019, 01:01 AM

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post Jan 15 2019, 01:08 AM

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QUOTE(spanker @ Jul 23 2016, 01:06 PM)
How many positives does it take to cancel out negatives like paedophilia and wife beating and beheading and stoning and  drinking camel piss?
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Get ur facts right else u really look like an ignorant dumb twat
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post Jan 15 2019, 01:08 AM

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post Jan 15 2019, 01:14 AM

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Necro siapa buttt hurt . I even found my comment from 2016

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post Jan 15 2019, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(Demak @ Jan 15 2019, 12:44 AM)
Keep ur ignorant mind to urself. If u dun wish to learn, save ur face and keep quiet.
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TOO MUCH FREE TIME IS IT?
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post Jan 15 2019, 01:24 AM

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post Aug 21 2020, 01:44 PM

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post Aug 21 2020, 01:47 PM

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This is consider infinite energy
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post Aug 21 2020, 02:15 PM

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We can give credit for past inventions

But past invention don't matter today

Its what you can create tomorrow that counts


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post Aug 21 2020, 05:57 PM

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post Aug 21 2020, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(acer7254 @ Jul 22 2016, 07:45 PM)
when melayu are pagan, they brain are genius
till arab come and spread some random doctrine :x
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post Aug 21 2020, 06:06 PM

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Hindu Malay best Malay.
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post Aug 21 2020, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(stupiak07 @ Jul 22 2016, 07:41 PM)
then how about chinese bamboo piston?
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Chinese copy Malay la. You don't know ah? dry.gif
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post Aug 21 2020, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(bani_prime @ Aug 21 2020, 01:47 PM)
This is consider infinite energy
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this is pure stupidity

 

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