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TShellevil94
post Jul 22 2016, 01:04 PM, updated 10y ago

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Hi,
I'm considering to buying a camera and I'm stuck with this two model.i need to buy a camera that can use long term and can shooting most of every moment(travel, portrait, street shooting,indoor or nightsences).ppl suggest me mirrorless
more than DSLR,because I'm newbie.

I browse all the review of these camera through online and I found out most of the review on web lack of disadvantage of these camera and the review is outdated. come with comparison they always suggest other mirrorless camera like a6000(within rm3000-3500price range with kit lens)but I like xt10 and em10 mrkii.

Micro 4/3 and apsc, is that really important ??
I like these 2 camera because of their image color but I still need more opinion from these 2 camera feedback.


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post Jul 22 2016, 01:48 PM

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Looks or functionality? If you want both fuji cam is the in between IMO.

Unless you dont have any specific issue like bulk and size, why not dslr? Dslr like nikon and canon has longer history and their lenses are easier to come by especially second hand.

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post Jul 22 2016, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(DaddyO @ Jul 22 2016, 01:48 PM)
Looks or functionality? If you want both fuji cam is the in between IMO.
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What mean IMO?
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post Jul 22 2016, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(hellevil94 @ Jul 22 2016, 01:50 PM)
What mean IMO?
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"In my opinion"
TShellevil94
post Jul 22 2016, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(DaddyO @ Jul 22 2016, 01:48 PM)
Looks or functionality? If you want both fuji cam is the in between IMO.

Unless you dont have any specific issue like bulk and size, why not dslr? Dslr like nikon and canon has longer history and their lenses are easier to come by especially second hand.
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I also had consider go dslr,but fullframe DSLR are over my budget.then
I also did research about Nikon d5500, but the only disadvantage is their lens, expensive and the Len category is limited like Sony.so...I go back to mirrorless...haizzz

Or u having other recommendation?
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post Jul 22 2016, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(hellevil94 @ Jul 22 2016, 02:17 PM)
I also had consider go dslr,but fullframe DSLR are over my budget.then
I also did research about Nikon d5500, but the only disadvantage is their lens, expensive and the Len category is limited like Sony.so...I go back to mirrorless...haizzz

Or u having other recommendation?
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.........limited? Nikon? You kidding me right?

Frankly speaking since your requirement is rather broad, any camera can do the job, to be honest, even iphone. Otherwise maybe start with cheap cam like a5100, x-a1, d3300 or epl7 first before deciding which lens and body combo to use in future.

If you just cool look factor, either fuji or olympus. If you want bang for bucks, maybe try a6000 (but no touch screen if you are not comfortable without touch focus) Dslr if you want better ergonomic.

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post Jul 22 2016, 02:35 PM

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I think best would be if you can try out both camera yourself.

frankly speaking as I do use both of them, I would go with Fuji

As far as my experience goes, Olympus tends to have more rich details on dark scene (shadow), and the color tone somehow Olympus nails it perfectly. My only complain on olympus is they don't perform well on bright scene (highlight)

Fuji however, tend to have a good balance for both shadow and highlight.
both Fuji and Olympus does produce a great lens quality.

Functionality, Performance Wise, ease of use, I think generally both are about the same.
I use Fuji XE2 (and I do tested out XT1 and XPro1) and Olympus OMD EM5.
depending the situation given, I somehow prefer my XE2 for general shooting. easier to recover an error most of the time.
on evening scheme, I would go with my Olympus..

Can't explain it, but the feeling just there.
Advise you to test both camera and see which one you like

Good Luck mate
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post Jul 22 2016, 02:41 PM

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i would suggest u to go with hassle-free camera like fuji x100t. APSC sensor, photo quality is superb. the only down side is its a fixed focal camera. but u can take it as a plus point cos u dont need to maintain the lens.
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post Jul 22 2016, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(c010 @ Jul 22 2016, 02:41 PM)
i would suggest u to go with hassle-free camera like fuji x100t. APSC sensor, photo quality is superb. the only down side is its a fixed focal camera. but u can take it as a plus point cos u dont need to maintain the lens.
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This might be a better choice.

Yes, its a great camera too, with only one downside

I would grab this too for casual shooting
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post Jul 22 2016, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(simplynluv @ Jul 22 2016, 02:50 PM)
This might be a better choice.

Yes, its a great camera too, with only one downside

I would grab this too for casual shooting
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Hellevil didnt specify much about what he plan to buy camera for. Travel? Starting photography hobby? Looking cool? Impressing girls? Depending on needs x100 may not be a good idea.

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post Jul 22 2016, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(DaddyO @ Jul 22 2016, 02:57 PM)
Hellevil didnt specify much about what he plan to buy camera for. Travel? Starting photography hobby? Looking cool? Impressing girls? Depending on needs x100 may not be a good idea.
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yeah... maybe best if we wait his/her reply and probably he can tell us on the direction he wants to go..
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post Jul 22 2016, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(hellevil94 @ Jul 22 2016, 01:04 PM)
Hi,
I'm considering to buying a camera and I'm stuck with this two model.i need to buy a camera that can use long term and can shooting most of every moment(travel, portrait, street shooting,indoor or nightsences).ppl suggest me mirrorless
more than DSLR,because I'm newbie.

I browse all the review of these camera through online and I found out most of the review  on web lack of disadvantage of these camera and the review is outdated. come with comparison they always suggest other mirrorless camera like a6000(within rm3000-3500price range with kit lens)but I like xt10 and em10 mrkii.

Micro 4/3 and apsc, is that really important ??
I like these 2 camera because of their image color but I still need more opinion from these 2 camera feedback.
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he has already mentioned that the camera would be used for those purposes. therefore i think fuji X100T may suits him.

Travel = very versatile camera in terms of size and functionality
Portrait = good to shoot portrait too
Street Photography = best suit for street shooting
Indoor or low light = it can handle all
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post Jul 22 2016, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(DaddyO @ Jul 22 2016, 02:30 PM)
.........limited? Nikon? You kidding me right?

Frankly speaking since your requirement is rather broad, any camera can do the job, to be honest, even iphone. Otherwise maybe start with cheap cam like a5100, x-a1, d3300 or epl7 first before deciding which lens and body combo to use in future.

If you just cool look factor, either fuji or olympus. If you want bang for bucks, maybe try a6000 (but no touch screen if you are  not comfortable without touch focus)  Dslr if you want better ergonomic.
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Nikon d5500 using other model range ,if not mistaken the Len they using is with a G letter. Nikon got a lot lenses I knw but with a G word is not much. I did go ask some ppl wht the different btw with a G letter ,thy said G is with some motor inside the lens 0.o
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QUOTE(c010 @ Jul 22 2016, 02:41 PM)
i would suggest u to go with hassle-free camera like fuji x100t. APSC sensor, photo quality is superb. the only down side is its a fixed focal camera. but u can take it as a plus point cos u dont need to maintain the lens.
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XE2 with 27mm pancake lens is almost a X100T but with the flexibility of using other focal lengths or zoom.
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post Jul 22 2016, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(simplynluv @ Jul 22 2016, 02:35 PM)
I think best would be if you can try out both camera yourself.

frankly speaking as I do use both of them, I would go with Fuji

As far as my experience goes, Olympus tends to have more rich details on dark scene (shadow), and the color tone somehow Olympus nails it perfectly. My only complain on olympus is they don't perform well on bright scene (highlight)

Fuji however, tend to have a good balance for both shadow and highlight.
both Fuji and Olympus does produce a great lens quality.

Functionality, Performance Wise, ease of use, I think generally both are about the same.
I use Fuji XE2 (and I do tested out XT1 and XPro1) and Olympus OMD EM5.
depending the situation given, I somehow prefer my XE2 for general shooting. easier to recover an error most of the time.
on evening scheme, I would go with my Olympus..

Can't explain it, but the feeling just there.
Advise you to test both camera and see which one you like

Good Luck mate
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Your comment I giving you a tumb up ! That what I want to know about their differences!! Thanks for the reply!
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post Jul 22 2016, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(hellevil94 @ Jul 22 2016, 03:29 PM)
Your comment I giving you a tumb up ! That what I want to know about their differences!! Thanks for the reply!
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Haha thanks for the thumbs

But I would strongly suggest you to test out both camera before you making your decision.
I would say it is a subjective thing. some may like, some may not. depends on your taste.

Good Luck Mate
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post Jul 22 2016, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(c010 @ Jul 22 2016, 03:04 PM)
he has already mentioned that the camera would be used for those purposes. therefore i think fuji X100T may suits him.

Travel = very versatile camera in terms of size and functionality
Portrait = good to shoot portrait too
Street Photography = best suit for street shooting
Indoor or low light = it can handle all
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I rarely research on compact camera,just heard that thy said xt100 is the best camera for street photographer,and thy start coming out a lot of lens converter. Any disadvantage of this camera?
Advantage I believe the network having a lot of it,want to hear some bad feed back of it :ç›®
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post Jul 22 2016, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(DaddyO @ Jul 22 2016, 02:57 PM)
Hellevil didnt specify much about what he plan to buy camera for. Travel? Starting photography hobby? Looking cool? Impressing girls? Depending on needs x100 may not be a good idea.
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I more on starting a hobby and I want to try using camera,using phone are bored sometime
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post Jul 22 2016, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(hellevil94 @ Jul 22 2016, 03:29 PM)
Your comment I giving you a tumb up ! That what I want to know about their differences!! Thanks for the reply!
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That.....really depends on the condition of the shooting IMO. At certain condition, at certain light, image produced can look either washed out or contrasty. I did some survey before but found a lot of inconsistency with some testify different result using same camera. Fuji somehow have the best jpeg out of all especially in terms of skin tone but some argue that it is not natural colour. Also image tends to vary depending on models and lens...not brands.

IMO, raw output and postprocessing is what you should be capturing if you care about colour and contrast a lot. Most camera can do the job, unless you get into the nitty gritty detail of dynamic range and noise.

Btw, do study the advantage and disadvantage of different sensor size and why m43 is popular despite smaller sensor before you jump to conclusion based on this discussion.
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QUOTE(hellevil94 @ Jul 22 2016, 03:37 PM)
I more on starting a hobby and  I want to try using camera,using phone are bored sometime
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Then x100 can be quite boring. The lens is fixed to the body meaning forget lens selection. But image quality is good and less hasssle cause the lens is optimised with the body.

Like i said, if you dont know how you going to shoot, get an entry level camera first. Brands is really up to preference so cannot advice you on that.

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QUOTE(hellevil94 @ Jul 22 2016, 01:04 PM)
Hi,
I'm considering to buying a camera and I'm stuck with this two model.i need to buy a camera that can use long term and can shooting most of every moment(travel, portrait, street shooting,indoor or nightsences).ppl suggest me mirrorless
more than DSLR,because I'm newbie.

I browse all the review of these camera through online and I found out most of the review  on web lack of disadvantage of these camera and the review is outdated. come with comparison they always suggest other mirrorless camera like a6000(within rm3000-3500price range with kit lens)but I like xt10 and em10 mrkii.

Micro 4/3 and apsc, is that really important ??
I like these 2 camera because of their image color but I still need more opinion from these 2 camera feedback.
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My thread has "some" m4/3 info, you could study before jump into it. smile.gif

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3641028
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post Jul 22 2016, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(DaddyO @ Jul 22 2016, 03:44 PM)
That.....really depends on the condition of the shooting IMO. At certain condition, at certain light, image produced can look either washed out or contrasty. I did some survey before but found a lot of inconsistency with some testify different result using same camera. Fuji somehow have the best jpeg out of all especially in terms of skin tone but some argue that it is not natural colour. Also image tends to vary depending on models and lens...not brands.

IMO, raw output and postprocessing is what you should be capturing if you care about colour and contrast a lot. Most camera can do the job, unless you get into the nitty gritty detail of dynamic range and noise.

Btw, do study the advantage and disadvantage of different sensor size and why m43 is popular despite smaller sensor before you jump to conclusion based on this discussion.
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Yea , I also did research about m4 and apsc, I understand the sensor crop like half but I kinda confuse the about if I'm using a m4-lens 14mm(28mm on fullframe) and the using apsc-lens 18mm(28.8mm on fullframe), standing on the same position and taking the same shot.

The image is actually having what kind of difference? Base on difference sensor but same kind of lens,will the image quality will drop a lot? Or it will lack of detail?

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QUOTE(hellevil94 @ Jul 22 2016, 04:33 PM)
Yea , I also did research about m4 and apsc, I understand the sensor crop like half but I kinda confuse the about if I'm using a m4-lens 14mm(28mm on fullframe) and the using apsc-lens 18mm(28.8mm on fullframe), standing on the same position and taking the same shot.

The image is actually having what kind of difference? Base on difference sensor but same kind of lens,will the image quality will drop a lot? Or it will lack of detail?
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All things being equal if you use equivalent lens and sensor combo, main difference that you notice will be the bokeh (out of focus blur), less distortion as you can use longer focal length on bigger sensor to achieve same view and noise, larger sensor generally has better noise control but that depends on sensor tech. However, smaller sensor has better tele reach, megapixel wise.

Other than that, not much. M43 has advantage as generally they have smaller lens compare to bigger sensors.
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Jul 22 2016, 04:15 PM)
My thread has "some" m4/3 info, you could study before jump into it.  smile.gif

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3641028
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This is useful info! Thanks
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post Jul 22 2016, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(DaddyO @ Jul 22 2016, 05:04 PM)
All things being equal if you use equivalent lens and sensor combo, main difference that you notice will be the bokeh (out of focus blur), less distortion as you can use longer focal length on bigger sensor to achieve same view and noise, larger sensor generally has better noise control but that depends on sensor tech. However, smaller sensor has better tele reach, megapixel wise.

Other than that, not much. M43 has advantage as generally they have smaller lens compare to bigger sensors.
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Sign..I think I will need to do much more research about it and go and really try on these two camera, Btw thanks for your reply man! Help alot
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QUOTE(hellevil94 @ Jul 22 2016, 05:45 PM)
Sign..I think I will need to do much more research about it and go and really try on these two camera, Btw thanks for your reply man! Help alot
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I really don't think you should worry too much and just take a plunge on entry level camera first....except maybe not FF unless you are rich or don't mind old model. You can even keep your first camera as back up or sell later if decide to upgrade. Worrying too much about brands and specs is pointless if you don't have clear idea what you want to do.

I know people who bought into FF system thinking it's "future" proof just to realise they are not even interested in taking photos or just ends up using their phone camera.

If you want a starting point, I suggest researching the entry body + the "nifty fifty" or 50mm equivalent with f1.8 or f2 prime lens first cause that's usually the first prime people ever bought and relatively cheap. Just factor in the crop factor when considering the sensor size.

 

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