Wow never heard of Seat. After I googled through the website I found their cars are quite amazing. These cars are probably more reliable than VW!

Getting VW to be distributor of Skoda might a perfect solution though.

Hmm i always tot that a mercedes c class is a c segment n not d segment.
Not bcos of the letter, but due to the space.

Skoda and Seat belong to VW, use the same platform and the same parts underneath the skin. Same engine, same gearbox, same sensors, ... So the only major difference is the place where it is produced/assembled. And pehaps, being more expensive, VW uses A grade components vs. B grade for the others.

Because underneath the skin they are all the same, it would be cool if VW would offer Skoda, Seat and VW (and perhaps Audi too) in Malaysia. More sales means more SCs are needed, means more staff trained, and since all SCs can work on the same cars they can have logos for all brands... more brand recognition, and they can cover Malaysia with SCs. They can keep a larger stock of spare parts. etc.

Skoda can cover the price conscious family who wants a continental ride, but need a lot of space. Maybe use some more basic technology there, if available, so less worries about spare parts.

VW can cover the somewhat premium segment (not fully premium)... a bit more expensive than the others, offers the most luxury, interior feels poshest.

Seat can cover youngsters, people who feel young at heart. Not so expensive, more fun to drive, sporty looks but still practical. Compared to the Golf the Leon is indeed more fun to drive, but less comfortable. The interior feels a bit cheaper. They could offer a 150 hp Leon with a 6 speed manual gearbox... about 10k cheaper than the DSG version, and there are people who enjoy manual gearboxes (and this unit is easy to use, with no rolling back at a traffic light etc.).

well, i own a skoda.superb 1st gen of course.there's no mk2 in malaysia is there?what i hate about it is many workshops just wave goodbye the moment i step out in front of their doors.not even wanting try look at what problem it might have.some say its china car,some even said russian.so far not many issues that are major apart from being old.alternator died,sensor needs replacing blah blah.all can be obtained rather easily from conti part suppliers.but the pain PITA is the bodypart.wish i had a massive 3d printer and just printout whatever part that broke

There is. But mostly used by Berjaya Group as company cars. Individual owners are rare. I know one senior GP owning one Superb Mk2. He upgraded from Octavia Mk2. Feels luxurious inside. Didn't feel any juddering/jerking from the DSG.

How about VW specialists? The Mk1 Superb is a stretched Passat. They sold it as a VW in China...

The case of VW=Skoda=Seat is different from Nissan=Infiniti or Toyota=Lexus?

He was just expressing his opinion based on a grey area so why call him a liar? Even the link you point to says, "Vehicle segments for cars in Europe do not have formal characterization or regulations. Models segments tend to be based on comparison to well-known brand models" so this means there is a lot of leeway for segment classification. The models mentioned in the Wikipedia examples are the opinion of the writer only and are not objective facts. Perception may also vary between Europe and Asia.

You should learn how to reply politely in a discussion forum instead of replying rudely to those whom you don't agree with. Posts like your can easily start a flame war for no reason and end useful discussion and sharing.

Well, kind of. Infiniti and Lexus were artificially created, while VW's brands were all bought or a result of a merger... Skoda, Seat, Audi, Porsche, Bugatti, Bentley, Lamborghini, ... Maybe Nissan/Datsun?

VW is the mainstream brand, just like Nissan and Toyota, but in a move to differentiate they went a bit upscale... while Infiniti and Lexus are, just like Audi, proper premium brands. While they may share parts, overall the feel should be different.

VW sits somewhere between Toyota and Lexus... a bit premium, but not fully premium (the price tag reflects that, the options do, the way the cars feel inside). Seat and Skoda are more budget brands... Think Daihatsu or Datsun... however those sit way below Nissan and Toyota, while Seat and Skoda are pretty close to mainstream brands, or just as good. They share a lot of technology too, the main difference is what options are available and how you can get them, and how posh is the interior. Skoda gets the fewest options, Seat gets almost all options you can get on a VW, however where even a Trendline (base spec) Golf can get pretty much all options, you need to go for Style (mid level) or FR (high spec) with a Leon. Adaptive dampeners are available for most Golfs, while you need to get a FR with at least 170 hp when ordering a Leon (though they have lowered the bar now I believe... it's 140 hp? Not sure). Skoda goes for value for money, the price is similar to VW, but the car is significantly larger. Seat goes for younger audiences, so they are sportier (looks and handling) and don't cost as much. Maybe closer to the Koreans.

To be fair, other brands, such as Opel, Peugeot, Ford, Renault etc. also try to move upscale... And Peugeot/Citroen created a new brand called DS, which is similar to what Toyota and Nissan did.

VincentCS isn't a liar. As I've said before, car segments are a subjective thing. There are no clear lines, and he just wasn't aware that some/many people consider cars like the 3 series D segment.

I suppose quality levels are also a part of what segment a car is in? i.e. A segment tend to feel really cheap, B segment should be ok, C segment should be better than that yet, D segment should already feel premium. etc.

For the sake of argument,

If there is no objective fact presence, how should this argument proceed?

If segmentation is just personal preference and opinion with lots of leeway across the board, then how should we could apply this segmentation rule?



Also, i should attach the meme for your better understanding regarding the phrase "you are a liar"

You're a liar is a harsh accusation, especially when he only made a mistake.

And there is no segmentation rule. If there is, try to define it to me, please.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Aug 1 2016, 07:41 AM

It's a meme for god sake

If so, what's the point of all of these discussions?

I think you should be ashamed of yourself with most of the childish or rubbish responses you often post here. Instead of calling people liar for just as small simple mistake, you ought to take a step backwards and ponder about your immaturity which is amusing. I wonder what a person you are in real life to keep behaving like this. Nevertheless, I understand the world is made up of all kinds of people so all is good. Just a bad taste we have people like you on this forum.

+1

Wise comment from a person with that avatar.

How mature you are with good taste in life.

Thanks but no thanks.

Very informative.

Btw, are you in the automotive field?

Nah, just happen to like cars and to be in an area where these models are everywhere. Plus I was looking for a car recently, and the Golf, Leon and Octavia were on my shortlist.

You still have not decided yet?
Seem like a long time since you open the QnA tread here.

Oh I did, I ended up buying a Golf. Drove the Leon, it's a great car, more fun to drive than the Golf (despite running on the same components, but you can feel that the Leon is made for a different audience). However it was impossible to find one with the kind of specs that I want, I would have had to order a new one (which would have been great, but takes 3 months to deliver... and cost more of course). I did find a Golf that had all I wanted, and then some, at a good price. Trade off is it is 3 years old. Oh well. But I'm happy

Some time I do envy you guys across the globe where you have tons of option when buying a new car.

also the one that lives in the states, where buy and sell used car is as easy as buying a canned food