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Wild Honey
post Feb 16 2019, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(IwanAGP @ Feb 12 2019, 12:29 AM)
IMO If overall lightweight is your concern guess M43 still the way to go or maybe go to APSC but not FF. Although the body weights similarly, the lenses weight very much different.

An example:-
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1304..._g_x_vario.html

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https://www.sony.com.sg/electronics/camera-...details_default

For 24-70mm (35mm equivalent) F2.8 (not considering the difference in aperture for different sensor size yet).
Panasonic: 67.6 x 73.8 mm / 305g
Sony: 87.6 x 136 mm / 886g

The most compact one from Sony own lens line up should be the 28mm F2 d. It weights 200g but is around 7 cm in length. Won't call that a pancake biggrin.gif biggrin.gif Meanwhile, Panasonic 14mm F2.5 pancake lens is only 55g. Cannot compare at all biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
https://www.sony.com.sg/electronics/camera-...details_default
Oh yeah... Don't forget to let your dad know he's downgrading from APSC to M43 if it really happens. Later he wonder why the performance different biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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I was thinking that if I were to use the a7ii, I would be able to have the option of both going small and large when the situation calls for it. Given equivalence, should I need to go compact, I noticed that Sony has quite a few compact primes which weighs less than 200g like Sony Carl Zeiss Sonnar T* FE 35mm F2.8 ZA and Sony FE 50mm F1.8. I am ok with slower lenses with equivalence accounted for, so for example for the standard zoom, I am thinking instead of going with Sony 24-70 f2.8, I can live with f4 instead (or even f5.6!) since that would be closer to f2.8 on mFT. What matters more would be the weight, size and price since the reason he is trading in the D7100 is that he seldom shoots nowadays due to the weight.

Granted, the optical quality of the cheaper FF lens are not as good as the Pro line on mFT, but some things have to give I guess. Just exploring an additional option.
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post Feb 16 2019, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ Feb 12 2019, 08:48 AM)
A Sony A6500 is also a sidegrade worth considering TBH, if weight/price is the MAIN consideration. With the Sammy 12, SEL24Z, SEL35 and Siggy 56 his main FL range is covered as well (and ALL these lenses fall comfortably within my definition of "small").

Also 4k viddies, which the A7ii does not have and IBIS (which it does).

That said, most folks round these parts think that APSC is not for human use one so YMMV.

Also, in regards to that A6400 vlogging screen, my recent trip to Japan yielded a pretty nifty accessory (a multi jointed clip, for flash bounce cards most probably), and it wasn't even THAT expensive (try RM40). Pair it with a cheapo Daiso mirror and voila: instant front facing reflector for vlogging.

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Granted, a front flipping, touchscreen is cooler but eyyy, this does the job well enough plus I could probably think of a couple of other uses for it later lol (especially coupled with my tiny Amaran M9).
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Well, if going for the Sony A6500, which is also a valid option, wouldn't Fuji be a better option given the better choices of lenses? I somehow feel (I may be completely wrong here) that Sony cares a lot more for their FF line and their APSC line is somewhat like a step-child.

Apart from the main primes, what about standard and telephoto zoom?
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post Feb 16 2019, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(COOLPINK @ Feb 13 2019, 03:13 PM)
dun forget to mention the battery life of the a7ii vs d7100.
a7ii battery life is notorious and has less than half the battery life of the d7100.
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Yup, when I told him about my EM5 Mk2, he already grumbled about the battery being able to last 300++ shots only. Gain some lose some. biggrin.gif
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post Feb 16 2019, 04:23 PM

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post Feb 16 2019, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(Wild Honey @ Feb 16 2019, 02:43 PM)
I was thinking that if I were to use the a7ii, I would be able to have the option of both going small and large when the situation calls for it. Given equivalence, should I need to go compact, I noticed that Sony has quite a few compact primes which weighs less than 200g like Sony Carl Zeiss Sonnar T* FE 35mm F2.8 ZA and Sony FE 50mm F1.8. I am ok with slower lenses with equivalence accounted for, so for example for the standard zoom, I am thinking instead of going with Sony 24-70 f2.8, I can live with f4 instead (or even f5.6!) since that would be closer to f2.8 on mFT. What matters more would be the weight, size and price since the reason he is trading in the D7100 is that he seldom shoots nowadays due to the weight.

Granted, the optical quality of the cheaper FF lens are not as good as the Pro line on mFT, but some things have to give I guess. Just exploring an additional option.
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Now Canon RP is here. Maybe another consideration. Singapore here now preorder free EF mount adaptor at $1999 body only. $900 cheaper than A7III.

Being able to use Canon EF lens is really an advantage, prices for EF lenses are much lower eh. A7III vs Canon RP what's your take? Other sifus too please join in give opinion! For example. Tamron 28-75mm F2.8 Sigma for EF is only around 1.5k. For Sony is 3.2k. Also all the F2.8 premium zoom lenses. Each lens save 1-3k if buy 5 lenses can save 10k d hmm.gif
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post Feb 16 2019, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(IwanAGP @ Feb 16 2019, 04:29 PM)
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Now Canon RP is here. Maybe another consideration. Singapore here now preorder free EF mount adaptor at $1999 body only.  $900 cheaper than A7III.

Being able to use Canon EF lens is really an advantage, prices for EF lenses are much lower eh. A7III vs Canon RP what's your take? Other sifus too please join in give opinion! For example. Tamron 28-75mm F2.8 Sigma for EF is only around 1.5k. For Sony is 3.2k. Also all the F2.8 premium zoom lenses. Each lens save 1-3k if buy 5 lenses can save 10k d  hmm.gif
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nopnopnopnonop. You know the biggest deal breaker? Uses a different compared to the EOS R. Its so stupid.
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post Feb 16 2019, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(Wild Honey @ Feb 16 2019, 04:04 PM)
Well, if going for the Sony A6500, which is also a valid option, wouldn't Fuji be a better option given the better choices of lenses? I somehow feel (I may be completely wrong here) that Sony cares a lot more for their FF line and their APSC line is somewhat like a step-child.

Apart from the main primes, what about standard and telephoto zoom?
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You can always go to the FF lenses to fill up the blanks (which I think is what Sony WANTS us APSC folks to do) but yeah unfortunately the step-child thing is not too far from the mark TBH.

Like I said, we've got decent primes (especially now that Siggy is filling up the spaces with their Contemporary line though the long end is still pretty spotty), but zooms are barely decent when you consider the APSC-only lineup: the 4/1018 taking up UWA and the 4/1680Z taking up the standard zoom range (with the 4/18105G taking up superzoom duties).

Mind you, unless you consider the 4/70200G as THE APSC telezoom (which it is not as it's an FF lens), the only telezoom that APSC actually has is the very "normal" 55210 AFAIK lol.

In which case yeahhh, I'd concur that Fuji would be theoretically the "better" APSC option if you consider the zoom linup in isolation... though I personally think the package of features the A6500 provides might still be worth that compromise - if it fits your requirements lar.

Otherwise, for the breadth of lens choices + small size it's pretty hard to top M4/3 however you slice it IMHO (plus MMM DAT OLY IBIS MMM).

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post Feb 16 2019, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(Silverfire @ Feb 16 2019, 04:45 PM)
nopnopnopnonop. You know the biggest deal breaker? Uses a different compared to the EOS R. Its so stupid.
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You mean the battery? Yeah it's kinda stupid. 250 shots hmm.gif But the overall savings on camera body + lenses really quite significant.
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post Feb 16 2019, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(IwanAGP @ Feb 16 2019, 04:29 PM)
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Now Canon RP is here. Maybe another consideration. Singapore here now preorder free EF mount adaptor at $1999 body only.  $900 cheaper than A7III.

Being able to use Canon EF lens is really an advantage, prices for EF lenses are much lower eh. A7III vs Canon RP what's your take? Other sifus too please join in give opinion! For example. Tamron 28-75mm F2.8 Sigma for EF is only around 1.5k. For Sony is 3.2k. Also all the F2.8 premium zoom lenses. Each lens save 1-3k if buy 5 lenses can save 10k d  hmm.gif
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When eos rp specs first leaked, i thought "damn its cheap, small, light, access to ef lenses" must buy

After official reveal, price is rm5999 which is not that cheap, but also the video spec is subpar. 2016 sony a6300 has better video spec than 2019 eos rp which is very very dissapointing for hybrid shooter like me

I think A6400/a6500 with decent lenses or fuji xt3/xt30 can produce similar or better IQ than eos rp with cheap lenses like ef 50mm stm or ef 85mm 1.8. Both newer sony and fuji also has better video spec, 4k video that is not crippled in autofocus and also battery life

Unless u already has tonnes of canon lenses and want eos rp as 2nd body it is good choice now

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QUOTE(IwanAGP @ Feb 16 2019, 04:29 PM)
hmm.gif

Now Canon RP is here. Maybe another consideration. Singapore here now preorder free EF mount adaptor at $1999 body only.  $900 cheaper than A7III.

Being able to use Canon EF lens is really an advantage, prices for EF lenses are much lower eh. A7III vs Canon RP what's your take? Other sifus too please join in give opinion! For example. Tamron 28-75mm F2.8 Sigma for EF is only around 1.5k. For Sony is 3.2k. Also all the F2.8 premium zoom lenses. Each lens save 1-3k if buy 5 lenses can save 10k d  hmm.gif
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Invest in new system but use back old stuffs instead of native lenses that allow full feature usage, why not invest back dslr?
For even older legacy manual lenses, there is benefits with newer system; but those in digital era, except only a few lenses with unique characteristics, has more compromises i think, costs included.
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QUOTE(bdrc @ Feb 18 2019, 07:07 PM)
Invest in new system but use back old stuffs instead of native lenses that allow full feature usage, why not invest back dslr?
For even older legacy manual lenses, there is benefits with newer system; but those in digital era, except only a few lenses with unique characteristics, has more compromises i think, costs included.
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Aiya coz now I all Sony Apsc lens only. Then only 16-50, 50 F1.8, 55-210, Samyang 12 F2 & 7Artisan 7.5mm F2.8.

It will cost as much or even more if I buy A7III vs RP. Since people always adapt Sony to Canon thus RP having better performance with their EF lenses and if good enough then why not? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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Hey guys, what tripod you guys bring for travelling? Any recommendation for a affordable one. Hopefully lightweight and cheap biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(avengers88 @ Feb 19 2019, 08:38 AM)
Hey guys, what tripod you guys bring for travelling? Any recommendation for a affordable one. Hopefully lightweight and cheap biggrin.gif
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There are various types of tripods, super lightweight ones for the casual shooters, heavier ones for long exposure photography. There's also a super duper light one that's like a stabilized monopod that weighs only 400g.

Personally if I'm travelling for photography purpose (alone or with some photo kaki), I'll get a heavier tripod in the region of 1.3-1.5kg to do 5-30 sec long exposure shots. There are some really light tripods like the Mefoto Air series but I'm not sure about the stability. Tons of choices for that weight range.

However, if I'm traveling in a group tour or with the family who are non photographers, will just get a Mefoto Backpacker Air or a Lumapod (Google it).


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QUOTE(avengers88 @ Feb 19 2019, 08:38 AM)
Hey guys, what tripod you guys bring for travelling? Any recommendation for a affordable one. Hopefully lightweight and cheap biggrin.gif
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I'm going to go against the grain and say if you need really low weight (and have a lightweight setup), then you can't really beat the tent-pole Tamrac Zipshot (mini or original).

Unfortunately it's not that easy to find anymore except on eBay (or Amazon old stock or one of the Hakuba knockoffs).

Furthermore, the Zipshot comes with a WHOLE bunch of compromises but if lightweight is all you're looking for (and flat-ish ground is all you're shooting on) it's pretty hard to beat even for long exposures (yeah I've done 30m+ exposures in light wind with zero issues with it).

But again, as I said before it depends on how light your setup is. If it's light enough even a Gorillapod would probably suffice TBH.

On the other hand, if you can spare a bit more free weight then the Mefoto Backpacker Air is probably a "better" choice as far as more "proper" yet still "light" tripods are concerned IMO. Not to mention its readily available (I think YL even has some in store for you to play2 with).

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QUOTE(IwanAGP @ Feb 18 2019, 10:51 PM)
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Aiya coz now I all Sony Apsc lens only. Then only 16-50, 50 F1.8, 55-210, Samyang 12 F2 & 7Artisan 7.5mm F2.8.

It will cost as much or even more if I buy A7III vs RP. Since people always adapt Sony to Canon thus RP having better performance with their EF lenses and if good enough then why not? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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I think it would make more sense if just use EF-S mount then? I see adapting to E or EOS R mount will eventually get native in the long run, when one had enough with compromise of promised features and finally have budget. In cases with adapter, could be worse than whence use on intended mount (EF-S).

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QUOTE(avengers88 @ Feb 19 2019, 08:38 AM)
Hey guys, what tripod you guys bring for travelling? Any recommendation for a affordable one. Hopefully lightweight and cheap biggrin.gif
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i did previously bought the manfrotto befree one tripod just for travel.
worth it.
light, compact & 'affordable'.

but regret didnt wait for the befree live (video fluid head) version.
cost abit more, but has a few advantage
+ can change the ballhead (befree one u cant)
+ video fluid head (i mostly do video)

negative thing for befree one is
- height only upto 130cm

if u looking for something cheaper, try and check gstrapinuse website.
they have alot of affordable tripod of many price range/use.

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