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 LYN Official FIA F1 World Championship 2007 Thread, Another McLaren 1-2

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post May 28 2007, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(TOYO @ May 28 2007, 04:24 PM)
true...but massa have all the advantage, he already use to ferrari n bridgestone...while kimi have to learn everything the car n the tyres,same as alonso...give him more time,he will be stronger than massa
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you did say alonso also have to learn back everything like kimi
but why izzit alonso still can stand head to head with the best there is
I wonder if the pre-season testing have to do with it whistling.gif:

now all i see kimi is the pretty boy that could only promote F1 superficially
not in terms of sports it self
where you see most playa start to show off:

hamilton : bring excitements to, recently quite mundane ,sports
alonso: fighting to retain the title from not the external attact but internally
massa : being overshadowed for so long, finally showing his true stripes,
kubica and heidfield : sterling performance from the BMW duo

all in all
the fight is fair with none of the drivers/team dominating race after race


and lastly.....as my father would put it
"Kimi hiu char wai ka che nya"
(Kimi only know to drive/wreck the car only)

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post May 28 2007, 05:58 PM

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now we know why alonso won & not lewis

ron side alonso more


http://www.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/new...528104723.shtml

Dennis defensive in new 'team order' storm
''I am the number two driver'' - Hamilton


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Team order controversy returned to the Formula One paddock on Sunday evening when Ron Dennis was accused by the British media of illegally preventing former championship leader Lewis Hamilton from challenging his McLaren teammate Fernando Alonso in Monaco.

The most memorable such hullabaloo was in 2002, when Ferrari's Rubens Barrichello pulled over for Michael Schumacher within sight of the Austrian GP chequer.

Dennis, though, was at the centre of a similar storm in 1998, when David Coulthard deferred to Mika Hakkinen in Melbourne.

In Monaco, the F1 circus was unhappy to learn that Hamilton had to follow the lead of his world champion teammate after the first pit stop, having qualified on a heavier fuel load than pole sitter Alonso - and the saga was spurred on by the 22-year-old's visible disappointment on the podium and in the post-race press conference.

"I've got number two on my car. I am the number two driver," Hamilton said bluntly.


Team orders that manipulate the result of a race are forbidden by the FIA, but mere team strategies are less frowned-upon.

Dennis, the Woking based team's chairman and principal, made no apologies for protecting the McLaren one-two despite admitting to some disappointment.

"I don't like to slow drivers down, I don't like them to be frustrated but it is the way you have to win the Monaco Grand Prix," he said.

Dennis insisted to reporters that the situation was a 'one off', created by the unforgiving Monaco barriers and also McLaren's performance advantage over their nearest competitor here.

He said: "We don't have team orders - we had a strategy to win this race.

"There will be places where they will be absolutely free to race, but this isn't one of them."

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post May 28 2007, 06:13 PM

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Sometimes, sad to say, it was quite obvious that team orders existed within McLarens. No one in the team will admit it. It did look suspicious sometimes.
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post May 28 2007, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(mcchin @ May 28 2007, 05:57 PM)
you did say alonso also have to learn back everything like kimi
but why izzit alonso still can stand head to head with the best there is
I wonder if the pre-season testing have to do with it whistling.gif:
alonso got more thing to learn then kimi because mclaren just using bridgestone only this year,while ferrari use it for decades...alonso still can stand head with the best because he is the best tongue.gif .. he put more effort then kimi does...pre season testing? alonso only got to test mp4-21 only for one day maaa before 2007 start...there is no pre season testing for him also

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QUOTE(car_o_scope @ May 28 2007, 06:13 PM)
Sometimes, sad to say, it was quite obvious that team orders existed within McLarens. No one in the team will admit it. It did look suspicious sometimes.
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Hmm, why do Austrian GP of '00 comes to mind?

and anyways, Ron had said that both drivers were on different strategy. Fernando with the optimum one while Lewis will come in play if a safety car were deployed. He said if there were a safety car after the first round of stop, Lewis would have won.
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Ron Dennis has admitted to telling Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso to hold station in the final stint of Sunday's Monaco Grand Prix.
During stages of the grand prix, Hamilton was pushing Alonso hard as he tried to chase down his first ever Formula One victory.
The McLaren duo traded fastest lap for fastest lap as they fought for supremacy although some times barely missing in the barriers as the team-mates battled it out.
However, in the end a voice came over the team radio telling them to hold station before one of them took themself or both McLaren drivers out of the grand prix.
As it was Alonso was leading at that stage and went on to claim his second successive Monaoc win while Hamilton had to settle for second place.
And even though the McLaren rookie's disappointment was evident at the end of the grand prix, team boss Dennis says he did what was best for the team.
"I make no excuses for instructing the racing drivers to slow their pace after the first stop," he told The Sun.
"We are scrupulously fair at all times in how we run this grand prix team.
"If we'd had a pile-up everyone would have said what an idiot the team principal of McLaren is that he allowed the drivers to compete to a level where they both end up in the barrier.
"I don't like to slow drivers down, I don't like them to be frustrated, I don't like to see these things happen because I am an absolute racer but it is the way you have to win the Monaco Grand Prix."
Dennis was also quick to deny that the Monaco result was a sign that McLaren are favouring double World champion Alonso.
"Everybody feels, I'm sure, that there is some favouritism or some penalisation that is given to Lewis or Fernando, but we are scrupulously fair at all times in how we run this grand prix team," he said.
Ron Dennis also sympathised with Lewis Hamilton after the Briton showed his disappointment at second place in the Monaco GP.
Hamilton finished second for the fourth successive time as he followed home team-mate Fernando Alonso, and the duo are now level on 38 points.
But it was a contrived one-two in many respects as McLaren organised a race strategy that effectively handed the win on a plate to Alonso.
Dennis conceded as much when he said: "We had to cope with the potential deployment of the safety car.
"So consequently you virtually have to decide in advance which one of the team's drivers will claim the victory."
Alonso - who tops the standings by virtue of his two race wins - started on a lighter fuel load and a two-stop plan, while Hamilton was initially fuelled for a one-stopper.
That catered for a possible safety car incident as had happened in four of the previous five races.

If the safety car had been deployed then 22-year-old Hamilton would have celebrated his maiden win.

As it was, he was left bemoaning playing second fiddle to Alonso, although he did just about appreciate the reasons why.
"The goal of the team is to score as many points as we can to pull away from the Ferraris, and the way to do that is to finish first and second, or ahead of them," said Hamilton.
"It would have been easy for me to push a little harder, but then maybe touch the barrier, crash, or push Fernando into a mistake.
"That would have been a negative for the team, so it was best to finish one-two.

"At the end of the day I'm a rookie, and finishing second in what is my first Monaco Grand Prix, I really can't complain.
"It is something I have to live with. I've number two on my car and I am the number two driver. Coming into the season I expected to be number two driver.
"I'm just pleased to be here. I'm still living the dream. I've been on the podium in my first five grands prix, and I hope to continue with that."
That was said with a forced smile and Hamilton was clearly not entirely happy, a situation Dennis fully appreciates.
"He is disappointed and frustrated, and I can understand that," he said.
"But he would not have been any of those things if the safety car had been deployed. He would have won the race.
"To be honest, I'm not happy not letting our drivers race, but the simple fact is it's my job, which is a difficult one at times, and this was one of those times.

"The drivers are members of this team, and they have to behave and perform as members of the team. That's the way it is."
Dennis insists the Monaco Grand Prix is a one-off, and that the two are now free to go head-to-head in the battle for the title.
"Lewis has an equal opportunity to win the World Championship," Dennis added.
"I have been monstrously criticised in the past for not favouring a driver and frittering away the opportunity of a world title.
"But we will never favour one driver over another, no matter who it is. We never have and we never will.

"Time will tell that we do not favour anybody."



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aih, they should be happy with the position already...why make so much noise in a track like this...
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post May 28 2007, 08:19 PM

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"There will be places where they will be absolutely free to race, but this isn't one of them." - Ron Dennis

I think Ron made a good decision there. It is better to let Alonso take the flag because it is Monaco, the hardest track to perform an overtake.
I dun want to see both McLaren cars clash just bcos of that.

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QUOTE(young_soul @ May 28 2007, 08:00 PM)
aih, they should be happy with the position already...why make so much noise in a track like this...
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because some fans and the british media want to see a Lewis win and want nothing less. Ron being Ron, wants to clarify why he did what he did. and that was for the interest of the team. Like he said, if he let them both race and crashes, he will be called stupid later.
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I see nothing wrong even if there is a team order, it's a tight track and IF both of them run each other out the media will play the blaming game again. yawn.gif yawn.gif
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QUOTE(evoHahn @ Apr 8 2007, 05:20 PM)
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i have a sneaky feeling that massa is the one who will take the fight to alonso, but he got to be consistent lar...
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he he i quoted myself... is my prediction coming true?
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lol, yeah. And it's all because of Kimi's own undoing. He should have been more paitient with his car instead of pushing it
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McLaren "teamorders" under investigation
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post May 28 2007, 11:02 PM

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lol how idiot can they be

Let your team mate pass = team order

Remain as their position also team order?

It's about the team interest, having both car finish and bring the gap further more and they get punish for this?

Rubbish

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QUOTE(bearbear @ May 28 2007, 11:02 PM)
lol how idiot can they be

Let your team mate pass = team order

Remain as their position also team order?

It's about the team interest, having both car finish and bring the gap further more and they get punish for this?

Rubbish

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reminds me of an editorial I've read after the race last night
"For a mostly boring race, McLaren did us a favour that they concealed their team orders enough just for us to think they were racing among themselves and not make the already boring race more unlikeable. If it was Ferrari, there will be a 30 second gap already by the first pit stop"
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what kind of penalty can they take anyway...last I remember...Aust 200X Barichello let Schumacher go ahead of him at the last corner. Can't remember what penalty was given...
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post May 28 2007, 11:28 PM

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It would be unfair to hamilton if there was any team order.

Yeah his car is number 2, doesn't mean he must play number 2. He have the capabilities to challenge alonso, alonso is not invincible.

Anyway I don't see both of them staying together in McLaren for long.
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QUOTE(Amanda85 @ May 28 2007, 04:00 PM)
whenever a driver win a race...we can said they did 0% mistake...so during spain GP, massa d best wit 0% mistake....

n alonso......can describe as what??  whistling.gif

juz becoz yesterday he did sum mistake...n u accuse him of being like a barri...
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did u hear the commentator at all? doh.gif this is wat the commentator said. alonso did 0% mistake for that race in monte carlo. but i never heard about him saying Massa did 0% mistake during the previous race which he won.

from my opinion, monte carlo is very mistake-pron. young drivers/skillest drivers do mistake easily, lewis is one example, and Massa? doh.gif anyone got the replay here?
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whatever the punishment (if there is any), I hope it's no more than Ferrari's (if there was any). They had a more blatant team order than McLaren.

I don't like to see team orders but I truly understand what it's all about. It's a tight track and overtaking is extremely difficult. The way Hamilton was driving, he was more likely to crash out than overtake Alonso. That would not only cost the team points but him as well. Understandably he's disappointed that he couldn't push Alonso to the finish but I really don't think the ranking would be different if he did. We're talking about a driver who can hold off Schumacher in a faster car, what more a teammate in virtually the same car?

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