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 Oil & Gas Careers V11, Upstream & Downstream, Market still slump ahead...

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thoyol
post Jul 21 2016, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(meonkutu11 @ Jul 19 2016, 12:09 PM)
I'm not quite understand categorization of the working ppl in term of upstream and downstream..

if working with operating company, for me yes, quite clear...

but let say for consultant company, Technip, Aker, SKP TLO, is there also division for upstream and downstream? I mean, formally/officially.

I know last time onshore engineers in TLO have either domestic or International project division.

Also for FPSO, they are consider as upstream? operations (US), Onshore Engineers (DS)?
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Unfortunately there is a difference between Upstream and Downstream and it was mainly driven by the market boom 3-4 years ago. As a HR personnel, I'm struggling to maintain the category as the market is driving the separation of category. Companies compete for the talent and decided to pay extra 5k for a Process Engineer with a justification that this candidate will manage a Upstream Gas Separation project. Good for the talent market but bad for the industries.

As a company, if I don't follow the trend I will not be able to hire. We were fighting to maintain the similar base salary as downstream guy but increase the "Upstream allowance" to ensure the overall package is competitive. However the candidates are greedy too. They asked us to increase the base salary equivalent to "Upstream scale" and maintain our offered "Upstream" allowance. Nobody agreed to our proposal. NOBODY.. It not just impacting the technical role, the support/corporate role also impacted by the salary adjustment. HR, Contract, Procurement, Document Control, Admin, Project Secretary. As long they are involved in Upstream project, they demand big bucks.

Now in current market, nobody willing to pay additional or hire that particular talent as they are too expensive and the salary doesn't fit in the downstream business. Not just downstream business but also other industry.

Companies not willing to work together to manage this. Talent not matured enough to think for long term benefits. The whole industry just completely ignorant of this and just focus on who can pay the highest to bring in the talent. Everyone try to dominate and have a the biggest piece of pie in an already small pie. Hence the situation that we are in.
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QUOTE(mohdyakup @ Jul 29 2016, 12:17 PM)
Current & Expected salary aku letak "Available Upon Request" jer I didnt put any figure huhuhuhuhu  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif
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jangan boh. Kena letak figure. Else the HR or manager will put on KIV as most of them need to make an urgent decision whether to interview or not.


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post Aug 1 2016, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(mohdyakup @ Aug 1 2016, 10:49 AM)
But... but typically HR will low ball to unreasonable figure sometimes which will makes me frustrated huhuhuhuhuhu bukan nak memilih tapi itulah kos sara hidup sekarang ini sangat menekan ehehehehehe

Thank you for your pointers anyway smile.gif
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HR bukan lowball. HR will work based on the salary limitation given by the managers. If managers said project only allowed up to RM8,000/mth, HR kena cari within that range laa. We working hand in hand with project managers. If the HR lowball you, it mean that the company/project is really low cost laa boss. Hahaha..

A quick tips for all job seeker out there, if you are seriously looking for an employment - put your salary in accordance to the market benchmark. Where can you get the market benchmark? https://www.hays.com.my/salary-guide/index.htm. Download and see how your position fare in the market.

The salary benchmark represent the actual market salary range.

However if you just looking to sustain your current income which probably above the market, looks for the high end company. A company which probably will pay you above market rate. However most of that type of company are not hiring right now - Shell, Exxon, Halliburton, Schlumberger and etc.


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post Aug 1 2016, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(BaRT @ Aug 1 2016, 11:24 AM)
tapi..later HR says, we cannot offer 25% more than your current salary. Company policy.
Then how arr? padahal ntah2 ada budget lebih.

forever underpaid  cry.gif
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Usually if it is within salary range, it is okay. E.g a graduate engineer with 3 years of experience in other company is getting RM 2.5k but in our company the range will be between 4k - 6k. If we are offering RM 4k, it is 60% increase but still within our range.

The issue will arise if the hiring manager insist to hire more than existing staffs at similar job grade/rank in the company.Frankly speaking, I did have encountered 1-2 cases like this and we questioned the hiring manager why do we need to pay the candidate more than the market norm. If it is justifiable and approved by the top management, then we will proceed.

The HR policies exist to protect the overall salary structure integrity. A few exception is a norm provided there is a justification or with a personal-to-holder exception.


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QUOTE(BaRT @ Aug 1 2016, 11:24 AM)
tapi..later HR says, we cannot offer 25% more than your current salary. Company policy.
Then how arr? padahal ntah2 ada budget lebih.

forever underpaid  cry.gif
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but i don't deny there are a lot of companies that practicing this policy. The best thing that you can do is to confront and have a direct chat with the company HR/recruiters, usually the good HR/recruiters will mentioned upfront to avoid wasting time. smile.gif
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post Aug 1 2016, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(azraeil @ Aug 1 2016, 01:59 PM)
Siap ada App tuuu.
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Mana ada app boss. Salary guide jer. Hehehe..
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post Aug 4 2016, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(mhyug @ Aug 3 2016, 11:28 PM)
akhirnya tutup kedai dgn hess. after 1 oil rich exploration dig, 3 platforms. now mau tunggu their HPHT campaign penat x terkata rclxub.gif . . heard one of the naga's parked at ksb getting the contract .

btw anyone dalam malikai campaign ? opis tgh sibuk nak buat passport shell plak...i heard campaign timeline around 12 months for completion of 12 wells. some dual , water injection 2 3/8, 3.5 n 5.5 confused.gif

tertarik saya dgn diskusi salaries dlm CV, if its a field positions pon penting ka nak letak salary ? im always more of scared it will run the suitors away bila tgk gaji.(lain la exp 20/30 thn..hehe)
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niche position mcm abg punya, takkan circulate cv jugak. Definitely nak cari benchmark pun susah. smile.gif
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QUOTE(howszat @ Aug 6 2016, 12:02 AM)
Hays' data on salary is one of the most meaningless I've ever come across.

It has very little resemblance to the real world.
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Want the most synchronized/employee reference salary scale? Have to subscribed to Hay salary data tapi makan puluh ribu laa for the subscription. smile.gif For public usage, I'm referring to the available data. Hope it help. If it doesn't, sorry.
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QUOTE(echobrainproject @ Aug 10 2016, 07:35 AM)
according to the news, it is for petronas workers intending to work in Sarawak.
However real case on the ground is that all non sarawakian involved in oil and gas (that means contractors, specialized vendors, etc) work permits are being on hold. That's the info I am getting from our agents, people on the ground.

as this involves vendors and contractors, the impact will be big.
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Betul tuan. It is impacting the whole non sarawakian WP process. I'm forced to find an alternative now. Sigh..
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QUOTE(meonkutu11 @ Aug 23 2016, 01:04 PM)
PETRONAS Minimizes Staff Redundancy to Facilitate Capability Development
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Tuesday, August 23, 2016

Malaysia's PETRONAS minimizes layoffs in order for the firm to continue with its capability development, a senior executive says.

Malaysia's PETRONAS minimizes layoffs in order for the firm to continue with its capability development, a senior executive says.

Malaysia’s Petroliam Nasional Berhad (PETRONAS) kept staff redundancy, triggered by the downturn in the oil and gas industry, to a minimum possible as the national oil company (NOC) wanted to continue with its capability development, Neil Horbachewski, Vice President, Center of Excellence, Upstream said Monday at the IADC/SPE Asia Pacific Drilling Technology Conference and Exhibition in Singapore.

"The number of staff that was retrenched was minimal because the management recognized that this (downturn) isn’t going to last forever and we need to maintain our capability development," he said.

PETRONAS needed the 35 year olds and under to stay with the company longer given that they made up 55 percent of the company employees.

The NOC had also learned from its previous experience when former employees left to join other oil and gas companies around the world.

"PETRONAS did this 15 years ago when they went through a severe change … a lot of people left the company ... as it wasn’t competitive, so they were losing people with certain experience," Horbachewski recounted.

He added that the need to retain certain talents does not stop at oil and gas producers, but extends to the service companies as well as that’s the way for the industry to get better at what it does. In this regard, producers need a certain baseload of capital spending that allows the industry to keep trying to innovate.

"Otherwise we have enough outside influence on young people going to university telling them that the oil and gas industry is a big bad place to go. We (also) don’t need to help support that (view) for those that have been working 10-15 years (in the oil and gas industry) and telling them they have to find some place to go to. I’m glad we kept the people," Horbachewski commented.

PETRONAS cuts 1,000 jobs earlier this year following a strategic review by the company in response to the prolonged industry downturn, in which oil prices have lost around half of their value since the second half of 2014. The NOC had around 51,000 staff at the end of 2014.

Like PETRONAS, Malaysia's SapuraKencana Drilling Pte Ltd. also noted the importance of capability development and the company believed that such investment in staff should not be disrupted even in the current industry downturn.

"More often than not in a downturn, we cut training cost. And to me that is shooting yourself in the foot. Investing in our people should be sustained," SapuraKencana Drilling CEO Raphael Siri told conference attendees.
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I wonder what is the number of the cut off..

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post Sep 9 2016, 03:20 PM

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sorry boss, baru baca C & P Manager. Hehe..

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QUOTE(mohdyakup @ Sep 9 2016, 07:58 PM)
A source of mine telling me that Chiyoda Malaysia will undergo a masive retrenchments soon & about to exit Malaysia EPC market. Is it true?
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wah, no wonder I started to see several Chiyoda's CV in my inbox.
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post Sep 20 2016, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(echobrainproject @ Sep 20 2016, 09:26 AM)
anyone has experience in mdcdermott?
Wondering how are they doing in Malaysia as they seem pretty quiet
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they involved in pengerang project jugak. A consultant to pengerang terminal 2. Aku lupa scope ape.
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QUOTE(mohdyakup @ Sep 20 2016, 12:51 PM)
Marine jack pile installation & export pipeline laying for PT2.

That roles of Procurement Manager for PT2 sudah fill-in ka boss? Hehe
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Thanks bro. Aku tak jaga pengerang construction project so kurang tahu details.

Procurement Manager? Alhamdulillah. Sudah ada shortlisted candidate. Hampir close ni. Hehehe..

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