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post Jul 8 2016, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(khelben @ Jul 8 2016, 03:38 PM)
More buttons doesn't mean more fun though. WoW arena revolves a lot around pillar humping.
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ala the pro gaming scene isnt so bad ma, but as the expansions came out and added more skills hp/buttons etc, i think to the layman (technically i am as well since i've quit WoW for so long) it seems a bit... well, people just wouldn't understand what's going on and i guess the perception of just LOS aka pillar humping going on.
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post Jul 8 2016, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(khelben @ Jul 8 2016, 04:31 PM)
He said arena.

You click on name plates then you're losing out already.
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mouse over macro key binds la
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post Jul 8 2016, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(khelben @ Jul 8 2016, 04:35 PM)
Haha I think WoW arena very unpopular as an esport because most people dunno what the hell is going on laugh.gif can't blame them, since the game wasn't designed that way from the ground up.

How are you liking Overwatch? biggrin.gif
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ok la, something new, and of course the weab factor lol


just spam die die die lel

well, its the game most played by my friend list atm, so oh well cough up rm160 lo... and ugh, actually more because buying new mic la... new mouse la...
thinking of getting a roccat alumic, but heard that's no longer available.

my razer vespula already separating a bit on the edge, and a new same mouse pad is like 159 now :/
i like a wrist rest on my home pc so ya, choice almost non existent minus the vespula.

looking into gsync monitors too, and lol the cost.
i could just settle for a 144hz monitor... but hmm... don't know...
that saves me at least 1k by not going gsync :/
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post Jul 8 2016, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(silic0sis @ Jul 8 2016, 04:44 PM)
The problem with mouseover is you have to use your mouse to move over target frames or whatever, that means you can't use your mouse to direct your character for that moment.
It's ok for things like sheep or casted skills where you have to stay still, but if you're gonna macro other stuff might as well macro everything lol.
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your current target don't need a mouse over all the time la, already selected what.
and there's the joke over tot/tott etc (healers should be very well aware, but that expanded to dps'ers too, eg to peel/assist)

and implying people don't use macro/keybinds in WoW.
you do know that there's an in game macro binding right?
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post Jul 8 2016, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(khelben @ Jul 8 2016, 04:48 PM)
The time you take to move your cursor over your target is quite significant compared to a press of a key smile.gif it's very very different.

Something like, difference between clicking counter spell and keybinding counter spell.
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people generally still do la as:
1) 3 keys vs 1 key 2) if you can play overwatch/fps you most certainly can aim a name play in a flick 3) i was a rogue

your click vs keybind is different because:
click = click spell, click on target
keybind is 1 press, right?

mouse over is the same, 1 press.
only difference is that no target is pre assigned unlike binding 3 keys just to have 3 targets assigned for one spell.
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post Jul 8 2016, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(silic0sis @ Jul 8 2016, 04:56 PM)
Yeah but to do mouseover means you need to move your mouse over something, that means you can't use your mouse to navigate.
I'm not sure what your argument is, that mouseover is just as efficient as macro skill on target1/2/3? Not sure how you can argue that.
If you are arguing that it's still viable to mouseover, then yes I agree it's viable, but you have to agree that it is less efficient, which is my point and the reason we have so many hotkeys.
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*disclaimer: someone else's video, im not as pro lol*

why you need to use your mouse to navigate? kan awsd?
unless you want to 180 quick scope your rear?
in arenas chances are you have full video of all your enemies and those that aren't in your screen, chances are (again i'm a rogue, being melee) you can't reach them anyways.

it sure as hell doesn't take long for me to flick my mouse cursor to hover over a target and press one button, vs making up 3 buttons to for 3 different targets. unless you can code an algorithm into it and consolidate it into 1 button, in which blizz would say hello to you probably laugh.gif

but yes, avg WoW players even at the PVE scene do have a shit ton of hotkeys, whether they use all of them or not (from the video i post, a lot of those "keys" are just macro "placeholders" like i do mine.) is another matter but it will surely dwarf any moba scene/player when it comes to hotkeys that's for sure nod.gif
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post Jul 8 2016, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(silic0sis @ Jul 8 2016, 05:13 PM)
But which is quicker? Flicking your mouse to hover and pressing one button, or just pressing one button? That's basically what you are arguing lol. If having more hotkeys isn't an issue, then why not do it?

Reckful has 1/2/3 hotkeys also in that video. Rogue probably has the fewest hotkeys of all wow charas. Healers have the most hotkeys, I think my warrior had like 65, my shaman in cata had 80 or something.

Edit: Actually I think in reckful's vid those are target 1/2/3 and focus 1/2/3. So he'd have to use 2 hotkeys, but not have to flick his mouse.
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if your additional buttons are in "not so convenient places" i would actually argue that the flicking mouse method being quicker because you'd be wondering if people aiming a gun and then shooting it being slow.
yes, you could also argue people actually buy mmo mouse (lol razer naga) and get used to it. but afaik majority of pro WoW players don't use it and afaik also majority of rogue player at least uses the mouse over method which iinm same goes for reckful.

but if you're gonna say pressing 2 hotkeys vs a mouse flick... uh.
not to mention, it isn't just blind being the only target/tot/focus useful skill, considering how he pulled so many clutch smoke bomb (aoe ground aim lol)/gouge/saps/kicks. would be a keybinding nightmare don't you think? laugh.gif

well, you could assign any name/macro icons so personally i'm not gonna speculate further la.

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