If we take 8 Nov, here are the numbers :

1 year :

KLCI 1672.00 / 1663.82 = -0.49%
STI 2876.03 / 2820.24 = -1.94%
DJI 17730.51 / 18332.74 = 3.40%

MYR/SGD 3.0031 / 3.0237
MYR/USD 4.215 / 4.2017

The returns in RM terms :

KLCI -0.49%
STI -1.27%
DJIA 3.07%
5 year :

KLCI 1460.13 / 1663.82 = 13.95%
STI 2694.60 / 2820.24 = 4.66%
DJIA 12184.26 / 18332.74 = 50.46%

MYR/SGD 2.4344 / 3.0237
MYR/USD 3.1475 / 4.2017

The returns in RM terms :

KLCI 13.95%
STI 30.00%
DJIA 100.86%
1. DJI climbed close to 1000 points since election. STI climbed close to 150 points. While KLCI dropped close to 20 poiints.

2. Agreed. The returns from dividend will be more in forex since RM lao sai in 2015
Conclusion : for the recent years, long term investment in STI and DJIA is better than KLCI mainly because of RM devaluation. Gains in KLCI is offset by the lost in RM value. KLCI is not a good hedge against inflation compare to investing overseas in forex dollars

aussie... may cut rates again!

numbers don't lie.

unless one starts to nitpick to compare only the best counters with the worst.

so, yes, agree with conclusion.

going forward, one has to keep in mind the macros which do not change overnight:

.. usa experiencing some boom now due to trump rallies and feel good employment figures.
.. sg may technically fall into recession by end of this quarter.
.. china remains vigilant to keep RMB "low" to maintain their exports.
.. msia... what else do we not know?

Maybe Aus will become the next Tiger in the Asean region!   

Still,... if we remove the effect by DT, we're still ahead in the STI and in the DJIA compared to the KLCI,... And when the DT effect kicks-in, aka when the wind blows, the KLCI and the RM topples over,... first and the most compared to others,....

We really need a lot of patriotism to stay hard inside this Kerajaan place,...

100% gain in 5 years can't be complaining. Guess those kv property uuu herd members are regretting.

Agreed. Every time frame has its macro development and can cause the market to be volatile. Hence the associated risks. Now is an exciting time. Could make a lot but also could lose a lot.

I am in the long term investment camp. That's why I shift my RM out whenever there is the chance.

Just that I have not done it fast enough 

Too bad we cannot rewind back 1 month (let alone 5 years). What has happened, happened. At this point of time, the reality is that KLCI and RM performed poorly.

History will repeat itself. We have to plan for the future what is best for ourselves...

If we can cherry pick like cherroy said investing in export counters of KLCI, then I would rather cherry pick a property flipper 5 years ago. With zero down and DIBS, their investment of RM20k can give returns of RM200k upon VP

That is 1000% in 2-3 years. Do it 5 times over 5 year period, and you made RM2m with RM100k capital

But history is history. Not going to happen again in the next decades.

That's why diversification asset is very important.
Every period of time, we have different trend and different performing asset.

For investment, opportunity is always there, market is always open.
If it is done too fast that resulted investing into the like stock code C in US prior before financial crisis, one may regret it was done too fast as well.

Investment shouldn't be rush upon, as it may lead to mistake made in between.

1986, 1997, 2008, next year is 2017, the curse of 10 years cycle?

If we can cherry pick like cherroy said investing in export counters of KLCI, then I would rather cherry pick a property flipper 5 years ago. With zero down and DIBS, their investment of RM20k can give returns of RM200k upon VP

That is 1000% in 2-3 years. Do it 5 times over 5 year period, and you made RM2m with RM100k capital

But history is history. Not going to happen again in the next decades.

History may or may not repeat, but it certainly rhymes.

History may or may not repeat, but it certainly rhymes.

It's the basis for technical analysis anyway...

Leveraged magnified return as well as losses. Unless exited the market, most are trapped.

If it is for trading (like flipper and stock traders), they will be trapped if they don't close their position. No different between property flipper, commodity trader, forex trader or stock trader

For long term investors, your above doesn't apply

Yup, flippers with leverage with no cash buffer will be trapped and sell at loss. For long term investors, they wished they had more properties "trapped" since decades ago, the longer the better.

I am in the long term investment camp. That's why I shift my RM out whenever there is the chance.

Just that I have not done it fast enough 

"Trapped" won't carry any value unless the original owner have drawn up a proper n valid trust/will in order for the next generations to njoy the fruits