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AVFAN
post Dec 3 2016, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(Sesshoumaru @ Dec 3 2016, 06:15 PM)
Actually, how it works is that as long as you have any form of MYR borrowings regardless of amount, you are subjected to that MYR 1 mio limit. It is not calculated anything like what you've mentioned.

Now I'm no expert when it comes to individuals (I handle corps instead), but I believe there are exceptions to what qualifies as MYR borrowings. Credit card might be excluded, as well as housing/car loans (first 2 of those loans I think). The loaded forumers here might be able to give more solid sharing.
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to avoid confusion, can u explain a bit more what i said wasn't quite correct?

i think housing loan IS incl in the rm1 mil calc.

pls, do explain, i'm no expert either! biggrin.gif
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post Dec 3 2016, 07:32 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 3 2016, 07:09 PM)
From what I see, seems like market has stabilized..
But next week we shall know how true it will be after the new measures by bnm..
People take as positive or negative blush.gif
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There is also a possibility that RM might record the largest single day gain in years. All it takes is some panic covering......
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post Dec 3 2016, 07:36 PM

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QUOTE(Sesshoumaru @ Dec 3 2016, 08:53 AM)
This is just a problem due to information being strewn everywhere.

See this. http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=en_pres...ac=4316&lang=en
"Residents without domestic ringgit borrowing shall continue to enjoy flexibility of investing in foreign currency assets both onshore and abroad up to any amount"
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Thanks for the link. Helps a lot with this clarification thumbup.gif
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post Dec 3 2016, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 3 2016, 03:35 PM)
Please give opinions and insights to my questions in the above, bros,....
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RM1m per calendar year (Jan-Dec) if have borrowings.

In practice, the bank form states 1 house loan and 1 car loan is still ok. Credit card unpaid amount is not included

Don't know the 1 house loan and 1 car loan leeway will be uplifted or not now...
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post Dec 3 2016, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 3 2016, 04:35 PM)
My understanding so far...

It is about at anytime after dec5, not one year period.

According to item 51 in the FAQ, aggregate is rm1 mil for individual.

It means if u have rm500k loan outstanding, u r allowed to invest balance rm500k in foreign, whether local or abroad.

If u have rm1 mil or more in loan, not allowed at all.

But that is for new fx TOTAL from dec 5 onwards, what u already hv in fx now is fine.

No loan, free to do anything, local or abroad, anytime.

The motive behind is to stop individuals from borrowing in RM and put in FX.

In large nos., this can be very damaging, as seen in the tomyumgung crisis in 1997.
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BNM don't calculate like that. It's any amount and any number of loan. As long as you have a loan be it only a RM10k car loan it is still consider as a loan.

They refer to Ccris as the records. If it shows you have loan, means your limit is RM1m

But in practice BNM give chansi as per my reply to Hansel above...
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post Dec 3 2016, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(Sesshoumaru @ Dec 3 2016, 06:15 PM)
Actually, how it works is that as long as you have any form of MYR borrowings regardless of amount, you are subjected to that MYR 1 mio limit. It is not calculated anything like what you've mentioned.

Now I'm no expert when it comes to individuals (I handle corps instead), but I believe there are exceptions to what qualifies as MYR borrowings. Credit card might be excluded, as well as housing/car loans (first 2 of those loans I think). The loaded forumers here might be able to give more solid sharing.
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Yes you are correct with exception only 1 (not 2) each of house loan and car loan. CC debt not counted. Bank's declaration forms to BNM did state clearly.

But after 5th don't know the 1 house and car loan as well as CC debt will be abolish or not...
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post Dec 3 2016, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Dec 3 2016, 06:07 PM)
I am preparing to spring up for action if RM made sudden moves within next few weeks.  biggrin.gif
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No need to wait for weeks as u may b able to catch some 'dead chicken' on Mon brows.gif
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post Dec 3 2016, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(aspartame @ Dec 3 2016, 07:32 PM)
There is also a possibility that RM might record the largest single day gain in years. All it takes is some panic covering......
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devil.gif some will be very happy with the situation brows.gif
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post Dec 3 2016, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Dec 3 2016, 08:47 PM)
devil.gif some will be very happy with the situation brows.gif
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Yes. biggrin.gif After 8.30 am on Monday, right ??? I'll be waiting !

Thanks to AVFAN, Showtime, Sheshoumaru and all who have responded to my earlier question. But if, as said by Showtime, BNM will give 'chans' lar to individuals,... in which I would agree,.. then no need to try so hard to understand anymore.

...would be better to spend the time preparing for transmitting out of funds when the time comes,...
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post Dec 3 2016, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 3 2016, 08:55 PM)
Yes.  biggrin.gif  After 8.30 am on Monday, right ??? I'll be waiting !

Thanks to AVFAN, Showtime, Sheshoumaru and all who have responded to my earlier question. But if, as said by Showtime, BNM will give 'chans' lar to individuals,... in which I would agree,.. then no need to try so hard to understand anymore.

...would be better to spend the time preparing for transmitting out of funds when the time comes,...
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Would be waiting too blush.gif
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post Dec 3 2016, 09:24 PM

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There is no problem to TT money to overseas.
There is no problem of FDI to go in and out.

The restriction is localized with the restriction to borrow RM to invest overseas.
No borrow to invest, no restriction.

While if a company or individual able to secure a loan at overseas instead of RM (eg, buy shares or property in SG, and borrow in Sgd with SG banks), then the company/individual still can invest abroad.

This move actually has its merit as well.

While for exporter to repatriate money back, I see it is a move to "deepen" and enhance the local hedging liquidity onshore in order to lessen the impact of offshore NDF which can be quite speculative and influenced by big money movement.

Onshore- at least BNM has an eye on it, and easily can identify the transaction is indeed business hedging or what is really needed for business and economy, and BNM can easily tweak or supply the market with liquidity.

Offshore - no control, big speculative money can simply bet to make a money out of it.

There is one recent news about RM and banks.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...-malaysia-rates

This post has been edited by cherroy: Dec 3 2016, 09:52 PM
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post Dec 3 2016, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Dec 3 2016, 07:13 PM)
to avoid confusion, can u explain a bit more what i said wasn't quite correct?

i think housing loan IS incl in the rm1 mil calc.

pls, do explain, i'm no expert either! biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Dec 3 2016, 07:51 PM)
BNM don't calculate like that. It's any amount and any number of loan. As long as you have a loan be it only a RM10k car loan it is still consider as a loan.

They refer to Ccris as the records. If it shows you have loan, means your limit is RM1m

But in practice BNM give chansi as per my reply to Hansel above...
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Thanks for the correction. 1 each it is then.

AVFAN, so besides CC, 1 housing loan and 1 car loan....
-no other borrowings, free to invest
-any other borrowings, only 1k remaining = limit 1 mio
-any other borrowings even with 10 mio remaining = limit 1 mio
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post Dec 3 2016, 11:13 PM

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'A Special Deposit Facility ("SDF") will b offered to exporter @ 3.25% pa pursuant to conversion of 75% new export proceeds into MYR'

M just thinking whether interest income from said SDF is exempted from tax under ITA 1967 hmm.gif
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post Dec 4 2016, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(wil-i-am @ Dec 3 2016, 08:44 PM)
No need to wait for weeks as u may b able to catch some 'dead chicken' on Mon  brows.gif
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Am still going to wait for weeks. Let u have the honor of picking up the "dead chicken". devil.gif U should as a trader ! laugh.gif
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post Dec 4 2016, 10:09 AM

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mcdonald's corp sold msia & spore rights due to myr weaken?
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post Dec 4 2016, 11:22 AM

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From Monday, >=75% of NEW export proceeds are required to be converted into MYR when it is brought back
I presume those FC here currently held by exporters will be exempted from the rule
At the moment, exporters are required to bring back their proceeds into Malaysia WITHIN 3 MONTHS OF COMPLETING a transaction.
Hence I presume the structuring of completion is key in terms of timing hmm.gif

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post Dec 4 2016, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(RE57 @ Dec 4 2016, 10:09 AM)
mcdonald's corp sold msia & spore rights due to myr weaken?
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Since got good offer,
More like take profit from the investment..


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post Dec 4 2016, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(kopifan @ Dec 4 2016, 11:22 AM)
From Monday, >=75% of NEW export proceeds are required to be converted into MYR when it is brought back
I presume those FC here currently held by exporters will be exempted from the rule
At the moment, exporters are required to bring back their proceeds into Malaysia WITHIN 3 MONTHS OF COMPLETING a transaction.
Hence I presume the structuring of completion is key in terms of timing  hmm.gif
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I too am hoping that the above tactic will lift the MYR on Monday.
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post Dec 4 2016, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 4 2016, 03:57 PM)
I too am hoping that the above tactic will lift the MYR on Monday.
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I think right now the jury is out on where is the direction next week
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post Dec 4 2016, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 4 2016, 03:57 PM)
I too am hoping that the above tactic will lift the MYR on Monday.
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Well it's hard to say the movement next week..
Too much speculation blush.gif

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