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speedy3210
post Apr 13 2022, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(amduser @ Apr 12 2022, 02:47 PM)
hankook now increased price by a lot, prime 3 (k125) is the replacement for v12 evo2, it cost around 300-330 per donut for 225/45/17, S1 evo3 (K127) is UHP around RM50 per donut more expensive than prime 3

last year i still managed to get prime 3 at rm275 per donut for 225/40/18, now is like RM350-380

unless you willing to try china, thailand or indonesia tyres, which you can still get them at cheap price, most of the mainstream brand price increased a lot lately sad.gif

you can look for Westlake SA37 or rovelo A1 sport, but i have not tried these tyres before, but westlake review seems not bad, rovelo A1 is like prime 3, as long as you not high power car should be okay to use
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If he (flyingturtle77) is driving spiritedly I would not recommend Rovelo Sport A1. This Soprt A1 has really squishy/soft sidewall, despite trying to project itself as an UHP tyre. As a result one can feel the car becoming abit nervous at highway speed as it produced a lot of lateral movements when it roll over undulations on road. As compared to the P3ST that it replaced, it is only slightly noisier. Have not tested on dry/wet braking as this set of 4 Rovelo is on a family mover. Price wise, it was the among the cheapest I can find; rm250/pc for 225/55R17 with XL rating, as compared to 580/pc for P4. As this is a weekend car and doing low mileage, I thought might as well try this Rovelo out. Result for now? OK OK la.
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post Apr 13 2022, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Apr 12 2022, 04:58 PM)
I'd recommend Maxxis Victra I-Pro, price level similar to V12E2, performance also similar with harder sidewall but tread wear is rather low at only 240. I am using this now as replacement for the V12E2 on my son's car.
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bro, do u have any idea on the tread wear of hankook? not based on paper, but based on real usage.
sometime the numbers on paper can be awesome, but in real life usage, sucks...
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post Apr 13 2022, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(speedy3210 @ Apr 13 2022, 12:56 PM)
If he (flyingturtle77) is driving spiritedly I would not recommend Rovelo Sport A1. This Soprt A1 has really squishy/soft sidewall, despite trying to project itself as an UHP tyre. As a result one can feel the car becoming abit nervous at highway speed as it produced a lot of lateral movements when it roll over undulations on road. As compared to the P3ST that it replaced, it is only slightly noisier. Have not tested on dry/wet braking as this set of 4 Rovelo is on a family mover. Price wise, it was the among the cheapest I can find; rm250/pc for 225/55R17 with XL rating, as compared to 580/pc for P4. As this is a weekend car and doing low mileage, I thought might as well try this Rovelo out. Result for now? OK OK la.
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post Apr 13 2022, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(flyingturtle77 @ Apr 13 2022, 03:02 PM)
bro, do u have any idea on the tread wear of hankook? not based on paper, but based on real usage.
sometime the numbers on paper can be awesome, but in real life usage, sucks...
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You mean the V12E2? Around 40+k km for me.
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post Apr 13 2022, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(6UE5T @ Apr 13 2022, 03:10 PM)
You mean the V12E2? Around 40+k km for me.
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40k+ km? thats very low...how is ur son's usage on the tyre? always vrroooommmm?
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post Apr 13 2022, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(flyingturtle77 @ Apr 13 2022, 03:18 PM)
40k+ km? thats very low...how is ur son's usage on the tyre? always vrroooommmm?
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For a UHP? Sounds about right.

Also depends on the car, heavier car, faster wear.

I go through PS3s in about 30k-40k ..even on a 950kg Satria.

Wait till you deal with motorcycle sport tyres.....hahahaha..I can go through 2 or 3 rears in a year.
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post Apr 13 2022, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(jaycee1 @ Apr 13 2022, 03:24 PM)
For a UHP? Sounds about right.

Also depends on the car, heavier car, faster wear.

I go through PS3s in about 30k-40k ..even on a 950kg Satria.

Wait till you deal with motorcycle sport tyres.....hahahaha..I can go through 2 or 3 rears in a year.
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think back, true also, i service my car with fully synthetic EO, change 4-5 times EO, then need to change tyre ady....

i rode R25 before, can last 2-3 years if using Pirelli, forgot the model though...
now riding NVX also use back Pirelli...got good experience in Pirelli for two wheels....
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post Apr 13 2022, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(flyingturtle77 @ Apr 13 2022, 03:18 PM)
40k+ km? thats very low...how is ur son's usage on the tyre? always vrroooommmm?
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Hmm not really. I occasionally drive it a bit fast but not him yet (at least not that I know off!). But 40-50k km is already good for UHP tires with tread wear rating around 300.
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post Apr 13 2022, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(amduser @ Apr 11 2022, 04:17 PM)
45 series is more comfortable, 40 series has better handling and less flex due to stiffer sidewall, so your ride will be harsher with 40, 45 has better noise control and ride smoother

grip wise, if it is the same tyres there wont be any difference, but you will feel the nvh is better on 45, while handling and steering precision is better on 40
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how bout the tyre pressure? need to change? because there is no tyre pressure reference for 45 profile.
250kPa front
220kPa rear

+30 on warm tires.


QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Apr 12 2022, 09:58 AM)
stock suspension set up or tuned/sport suspension? if stock no issue to hit the car body when run fast at bumper for instance
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stock. but rebuild with stiffer abs abit. no change on spring.


QUOTE(6UE5T @ Apr 12 2022, 10:32 AM)
What car and what was the original tire size?
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225/40/18 is the original size. just a normal daily drive car, A200.

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post Apr 13 2022, 10:19 PM

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QUOTE(hafiez @ Apr 13 2022, 09:22 PM)
how bout the tyre pressure? need to change? because there is no tyre pressure reference for 45 profile.
250kPa front
220kPa rear

+30 on warm tires.
stock. but rebuild with stiffer abs abit. no change on spring.
225/40/18 is the original size. just a normal daily drive car, A200.
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same tyre pressure as your current tyres, most of the road tyres sweet spot is at 33-37 psi after warm up, when you go more than that you will notice the start will start to have screeching sound during cornering

you should adjust your tyre pressure according to your car weight, when your car are fully loaded you will need more pressure
my car is around 1360kg, when i go track i set to 33psi hot pressure for best traction, on road i use 35-38psi on warm

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post Apr 13 2022, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(hafiez @ Apr 13 2022, 09:22 PM)
how bout the tyre pressure? need to change? because there is no tyre pressure reference for 45 profile.
250kPa front
220kPa rear

+30 on warm tires.
stock. but rebuild with stiffer abs abit. no change on spring.
225/40/18 is the original size. just a normal daily drive car, A200.
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Not recommended cuz total rolling diameter will add by 2.2cm which is too big. If you want to use 225/45, you should downsize rims to 17', so 225/45/17.
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post Apr 14 2022, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(iymm @ Apr 11 2022, 04:31 PM)
Wondering why nobody talk about Falken ZE310?
Is this tyre good?
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I just got this tires to replace my car stock tires.

For a 185/55R16 it is reasonable at RM230, in my impression is that this is the better tires to have for spirited drive if I wanted to stay at stock size.

Other decent choices are GY Triple max 2 and XM2+ in that size. I have decided not to change wheel and stack stock for the time being.

From my understand this should perform better than eco tyres but not as good as proper UHP tires (PS3, GY F1 Sport)

Also this video pushed me to this, not sure where it was produced but for asia is made in Thailand


Paid RM230 with Stanford tyres whom they need to special order (takes a few day). Not sure if normal shop will willing to do that or not.

First impression is quiet but as per video I expect slightly high FC due to higher rolling resistance.

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I realized the version I got is actually labeled as "ZE310R" (with the R) that is designation that it is meant of Southeast Asia market (made in thailand). So I am very curious how does it perform to the ZE310 that was tested as per attached which I assumed is the European version.

Funny enough the way how Stamford Tyres marketing materials was actually pointing to the accolades received in Europe that are referring to european version.

I just hope that performance (at least for my version with the R) was on par with what was tested as per the attached youtube video tires made on different region tend to have different quality.


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post Apr 15 2022, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Apr 8 2022, 08:06 PM)
It is a norms in KL there is no charges for inspecting tyre condition (with eyes only) response to your question/concern.

However, if labour works are involved say 'to do balancing' on tyres etc, then charges is incurred.

Tell the shop: Boss, ini tayar berapa lama/bulan/tahun lagi bolih pakai ahh? ..... then make your own decision.

Note: On a normal functioning tyre, tyre manufacturers across the world only recommends the replacement of tyres under 2 conditions:
a )tyre wear has touched the Tyre Wear Indicator mark inside the longkang (at a tread depth of 1.6 mm), or
b )tyre manufacturing week/year displayed on its side is 10 years or older.
Hairline cracks/scratches and what not are NOT a basis of tyre replacement, as often understood.

Care to upload pictures on external conditions on tyres?
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Thanks. One shop feedback is I can wait another year with this set. Tyres are stock Myvi (gen 3, 2017) and age less than 5 years as per manufacturing week. Normal wear and tear is there and don't see major issues while driving or braking.

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post Apr 15 2022, 05:07 PM

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how to avoid Hydroplaning or skidding when raining..even just replaced new tyre still got this issue ..very dangerous especially near toll got sign below tar road "RFID" very licin there
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post Apr 15 2022, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(sume2t @ Apr 15 2022, 05:02 PM)
Thanks. One shop feedback is I can wait another year with this set. Tyres are stock Myvi (gen 3, 2017) and age less than 5 years as per manufacturing week. Normal wear and tear is there and don't see major issues while driving or braking.

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Looking at the pictures (which unfortunately does not show the Tyre Wear Indicator in the longkang) it appears to me its tread depth is still quite good.

Mind sharing what are the average tread depths at several longkangs as in how many mm deep?

Just speculating the suspension angles may be contributing to the wide spread scarring on the tyre outer edge (of front tyre?) . But don't worry, the tyre is still serviceable.

You may want to get wheel alignment checked and adjusted ..... to slow down the rate of tyre wear, assuming tyre wear has been even between inside and outside edges.
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QUOTE(zeng @ Apr 15 2022, 05:43 PM)
Looking at the pictures (which unfortunately does not show the Tyre Wear Indicator in the longkang) it appears to me its tread depth is still quite good.

Mind sharing what are the average tread depths at several longkangs as in how many mm deep?

Just speculating the suspension angles may be contributing to the wide spread scarring on the tyre outer edge (of front tyre?) . But don't worry, the tyre is still serviceable.

You may want to get wheel alignment checked and adjusted ..... to slow down the rate of tyre wear, assuming tyre wear has been even between inside and outside edges.
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Thanks for the quick inputs smile.gif I will take more pictures in the day. Depth looks good to me, but how do I get accurate measure to the mm? Outside edges are mostly uniform with small chips but I will check the inside edges again to confirm. Thanks a lot again, have a good weekend.
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QUOTE(kitsunegeisha @ Apr 15 2022, 05:07 PM)
how to avoid Hydroplaning or skidding when raining..even just replaced new tyre still got this issue ..very dangerous especially near toll got sign below tar road "RFID" very licin there
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what is your tire brand? I had skidded on an unknown brand tire even at 3 months old usage, Zeetex brand model hp102 iirc. The thread is deep but my car skid during heavy rain at grand saga highway at 60kmh, it just slides from right lane to the left at relatively low speed.

straight change the tyre to Hankook for the car months after.
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QUOTE(iymm @ Apr 11 2022, 04:31 PM)
Wondering why nobody talk about Falken ZE310?
Is this tyre good?
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had aimed the Falken fk510 due to Traction AA, good review, supposedly best bang for money vs PS3, PS4 from Michelin. However, the model only had good price during early introduction time, after that, not most shop had this model or brand, need to order and generally same or higher price than a PS4. Repeat back the PS4 due to grip, long life (depend on user), and Price if get at a good shop.
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Looking for the best top 3 tyre for size:-

- 195/50/R16

Currently using continental UC6, feel wanna upgrade to something better.

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post Apr 20 2022, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(kitsunegeisha @ Apr 15 2022, 05:07 PM)
how to avoid Hydroplaning or skidding when raining..even just replaced new tyre still got this issue ..very dangerous especially near toll got sign below tar road "RFID" very licin there
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new tyres need time to run in to wear off the surface wax

at what speed you are getting hydroplaning? uneven road or road surface with too many skid marks from other cars can increase the chance of hydroplane too



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