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post Feb 21 2020, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(shuo0909 @ Feb 21 2020, 01:16 PM)
1. regular use to work but sometime have to bring tools to branch
2. travel once every few months (pg-ipoh/kl)
3. no need to pickup children but sometime fetch parent and sibling to travel/makan.
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all are same engine family but slightly different HP and torque..

Your choice could be safety, reliability, price or other factors.
I think, it is best to drive both cars and make your decision.

For me, on normal city and work drive.
For outstation, I use vios as G spec car got acoustic windscreen (quiet) on highway
and front and rear are disc brakes..

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post Feb 21 2020, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(Crocus_fern @ Feb 21 2020, 10:20 AM)
For both 1.5 Myvi and Vios, all are same engine family but slightly different HP and torque..

Your choice could be safety, reliability, price or other factors.
I think, it is best to  drive both cars and make your decision.

For me, I drove both Myvi and Vios.. For normal city and work drive, alternate days I swapping cars usage and  to charge car battery.
For outstation, I use vios as G spec car got acoustic windscreen (quiet) on highway
and front and rear are disc brakes..
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Hmmm then i might think of vios as well since i almost everyday drive on highway
better choose vios.

and thanks alot!
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post Feb 21 2020, 02:17 PM

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If you're not the cheapskate fella to whine about conti always breakdown, high maintenance cost, and then later years when it's old changing mountings cost 1/4 of the car's value then go ahead.

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do you have a Porsche savvy mechanic as your friend/trusted mechanic?
if not then shop around for one first because this level of conti cars are even more expensive to maintain and alot of wastages.

e.g. if your brakes still ok but follow service manual spec need to replace at 10k mileage, then you gotta replace it.
all 3s/sc follow this, unless you go outside workshop to fix but you need specialist coz if not they don't have a high level enough scan tool they can even bleed your brake fluids properly.
mind you most japanese brands 3s/sc brake prices floating at rm200-1000 for b-segment until d-segment, e.g. honda city front brakes at 3s is rm500, outside shop oem is rm150-200.
i dunno the porsche 3s/sc price but i imagine it would be alot more.

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overall i am not a fan of kimchi cars but from that generation onwards they're moving to where they are now.
not competing with honda/toyota for budget friendly car with good specs.
they're competing with conti/mazda for budget friendly car with good specs + updated safety standards.

electronics generally will start to fail at this point.
because people dunno how to maintain it.
one issue is people adding 3rd party accessories that the installer simply add wire here and there.
secondly battery replacement SOP and helping a friend jumpstart can effect it.

QUOTE(shuo0909 @ Feb 20 2020, 09:23 AM)
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new myvi.

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I'm overseas and would like to buy a 7-seater car for when my family goes to Malaysia to visit my parents (every year normally). Obviously my parents/siblings would use the car when we're not around. Would prefer a car that is lower and not as high/tall as the Innova.

The thing is my parents don't like to maintain cars so we would prefer cars that come with warranty/free servicing as much as possible.

Budget is 100k max. Loan not a problem as my siblings would apply in their name. As it is; looks like Exora is the best option; but have considered Toyota Wish as well. Grand Livina was also considered but didn't like it that the 3rd row seats are joined together.

Any ideas please? Thanks!
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post Feb 21 2020, 07:23 PM

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1. Brand : any, avoid national car if possible
2. Budget : 30k
3. New/Used/Unreg : Used
4. Specs : a segment
5. Transmission : Auto
7. Type : hatchbacn
8. Remark : city use for wife to fetch kid. Off my mind I can think of polo hatchback 1.6, Prius c (battery?), 2013 swift ?

Important: safety, reliability

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post Feb 22 2020, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(shuo0909 @ Feb 21 2020, 04:39 PM)
Hmmm then i might think of vios as well since i almost everyday drive on highway
better choose vios.

and thanks alot!
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Only Vios G and GX spec got acoustic windscreen and front / rear discs brakes.

GX got dual tone sports rim, better HU, nicer speedometer and colourful leather seats.
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post Feb 22 2020, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Feb 22 2020, 12:23 AM)
1. Brand : any, avoid national car if possible
2. Budget : 30k
3. New/Used/Unreg : Used
4. Specs : a segment
5. Transmission : Auto
7. Type : hatchbacn
8. Remark : city use for wife to fetch kid. Off my mind I can think of polo hatchback 1.6, Prius c (battery?), 2013 swift ?

Important: safety, reliability
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Perhaps new Axia car.. No need to worry about car maintenance warranty for few years. Used conti car 1.5 cc or above, hard to determine problems and fixes if there is any, and require / longer period to trace with many electronic components. Not many conti car on the road.. Few of my friends shared many conti car issues and switched to Japanese cars.

Axia Got VSC, ASA 2.0, TRC, EBD, Abs which are important safety features for A segment car. . ASEAN NCAP rating is OK.
Petrol consumption for city usage is minimal and convenient parking for women. Just a thought.

https://www.perodua.com.my/our-models/axia....noaAlz6EALw_wcB

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post Feb 22 2020, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(Crocus_fern @ Feb 22 2020, 07:51 PM)
Only Vios G and GX spec got acoustic windscreen and front / rear discs brakes.

GX got dual tone sports rim, better HU, nicer speedometer and colourful leather seats.
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yeah, i think i will find G,GX or TRD since the price not different too much
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post Feb 23 2020, 09:55 AM

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btw, anyone know what is the interest rate I can get for a 2015 2nd hand car worth of around 65k?
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post Feb 23 2020, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(Crocus_fern @ Feb 22 2020, 08:06 PM)
Perhaps new Axia car.. No need to worry about car maintenance warranty for few years. Used conti car 1.5 cc or above, hard to determine problems and fixes if there is any, and require / longer period to trace with many electronic components. Not many conti car on the road.. Few of my friends shared many conti car issues and switched to Japanese cars.

Axia Got VSC, ASA 2.0, TRC, EBD, Abs which are important safety features for A segment car. . ASEAN NCAP rating is OK.
Petrol consumption for city usage is minimal and convenient parking for women. Just a thought.

https://www.perodua.com.my/our-models/axia....noaAlz6EALw_wcB
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The Gxtra goes to almost 40k ? Are 2019 second myvi AV better bet ?

I always felt axia abit tin milo....
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post Feb 23 2020, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(bearbear @ Feb 23 2020, 09:49 PM)
The Gxtra goes to almost 40k ? Are 2019 second myvi AV better bet ?

I always felt axia abit tin milo....
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But the safety features in new car Axia are more than used Myvi car?
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post Feb 26 2020, 11:55 AM

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1. Brand : any imported car
2. Budget : 40k
3. New/Used/Unreg : Used
4. Specs : Full
5. Transmission : Auto
7. Type : Any
8. Remark : Mainly city use but foresee some long drives(travel outstation or long distance around the town) over some weekends.
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post Feb 26 2020, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(twshen @ Feb 26 2020, 11:55 AM)
1. Brand : any imported car
2. Budget : 40k
3. New/Used/Unreg : Used
4. Specs : Full
5. Transmission : Auto
7. Type : Any
8. Remark : Mainly city use but foresee some long drives(travel outstation or long distance around the town) over some weekends.
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If you okay with slightly higher fuel consumption, plenty of choices in C-segment for your long distance drives. Something like

Civic FD2 (2.0)
Elantra MD 1.8
Altis E140 1.8G

If you feeling adventurous, can go for more cold-door models like from KIA and conti too. KIA Forte 2.0 (first gen) can get for less than 30k, VW Jetta (if you have mechanic very good at VW/conti models) is everywhere for sub-40k for the earlier models
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post Feb 26 2020, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(Failed JJ @ Feb 26 2020, 12:23 PM)
If you okay with slightly higher fuel consumption, plenty of choices in C-segment for your long distance drives. Something like

Civic FD2 (2.0)
Elantra MD 1.8
Altis E140 1.8G

If you feeling adventurous, can go for more cold-door models like from KIA and conti too. KIA Forte 2.0 (first gen) can get for less than 30k, VW Jetta (if you have mechanic very good at VW/conti models) is everywhere for sub-40k for the earlier models
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What if fuel consumption is a problem and prioritises city driving over weekends long-distance drive? Any recommendations? Thanks man, appreciate it.
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QUOTE(twshen @ Feb 26 2020, 12:39 PM)
What if fuel consumption is a problem and prioritises city driving over weekends long-distance drive? Any recommendations? Thanks man, appreciate it.
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I personally drive the FD2 myself, and tbh fuel consumption while not great at 9L/100km with mix of I would say 70% city driving and 30% highway, its a lot less scary than I anticipated coming from a Saga FLX.

Top-spec City (usually labeled S or V) & Vios (G-spec) also got, but B-segment resale value kinda high. If die-die don't want P1/P2 still I think the GM6 City, full-spec V trim even for 2014 models is still above 40k now while the earlier gen Transformer City is about 25 to 30k-ish for the top spec model. So yeah, B-segment a bit headache as these cars quite in demand

40k budget you should consider the current top-spec Saga tbh, its pretty well-equipped for that price point and Geely has finally given it ESC + much better interior.
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QUOTE(Failed JJ @ Feb 26 2020, 12:52 PM)
I personally drive the FD2 myself, and tbh fuel consumption while not great at 9L/100km with mix of I would say 70% city driving and 30% highway, its a lot less scary than I anticipated coming from a Saga FLX.

Top-spec City (usually labeled S or V) & Vios (G-spec) also got, but B-segment resale value kinda high. If die-die don't want P1/P2 still I think the GM6 City, full-spec V trim even for 2014 models is still above 40k now while the earlier gen Transformer City is about 25 to 30k-ish for the top spec model. So yeah, B-segment a bit headache as these cars quite in demand

40k budget you should consider the current top-spec Saga tbh, its pretty well-equipped for that price point and Geely has finally given it ESC + much better interior.
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I was actually considering the new Saga but well everyone likes to shit on the fuel consumption of Proton. What's more seems like few are saying that it's quite scary as a long distance drive. What do you think?
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QUOTE(twshen @ Feb 26 2020, 01:09 PM)
I was actually considering the new Saga but well everyone likes to shit on the fuel consumption of Proton. What's more seems like few are saying that it's quite scary as a long distance drive. What do you think?
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If they think Saga is bad for long distance, I wonder what tier is Bezza sweat.gif

I have tested the new Saga, its fine. The recent facelift Proton has made the steering a bit lighter for better ease of use in city driving, but on the highway its still as planted as ever not really much different at all to the FLX I used to own. Its certainly much nicer than the FLX to sit in though, its still plastic interior obviously but not as nasty as before.

Fuel consumption really depends how you drive, if you heavy-foot the Saga you could probably go even worse than my 9L/100km (11km per liter) with a C-segment whistling.gif Proton rates the Saga at about 15km per liter, its not outstanding (relative to the Bezza) but good enough IMO
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QUOTE(Failed JJ @ Feb 26 2020, 02:09 PM)
If they think Saga is bad for long distance, I wonder what tier is Bezza  sweat.gif

I have tested the new Saga, its fine. The recent facelift Proton has made the steering a bit lighter for better ease of use in city driving, but on the highway its still as planted as ever not really much different at all to the FLX I used to own. Its certainly much nicer than the FLX to sit in though, its still plastic interior obviously but not as nasty as before.

Fuel consumption really depends how you drive, if you heavy-foot the Saga you could probably go even worse than my 9L/100km (11km per liter) with a C-segment  whistling.gif  Proton rates the Saga at about 15km per liter, its not outstanding (relative to the Bezza) but good enough IMO
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From what i've gathered, Saga is better at long-distance drive but bad fc and Bezza is betterat city drive and good fc. Having a headache now and trying to see if I can find a better 2nd hand car that kinda excels at both.
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generally what is important to you?

reliable, comfort, resale value = toyota/honda although Honda trades comfort away usually for sportiness or newer tech it is much more reliable and has better resale value than other brands except toyota
safety, comfort = kia/hyundai because they're the most up to date on safety spec without going to conti level

tell me more....

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First off, only buy a Hybrid if you know what you're getting into because although they depreciate faster than non-hybrid models they have alot of drawbacks.
Electrical systems in Hybrid is very high voltage and kills, unlike the usual 12v that just stings.
So specialist equipment and trained people needed to fix/diagnose problems for this car. Normal workshop guy might just get electrocuted. So you might need to go 3s/sc to maintain so that's extra expenses.

2008 Toyota Yaris - this is the predecessor to the current one, it has a cute bulbous look which I think the ladies will like. They weren't sold here so whatever is available are mostly made in Japan or Thailand then imported here, so they're slightly higher in build quality than Vios which is it's sister car which it shares most parts with so eventhough it is imported and old, don't worry just maintain it like a Vios all the parts are the same except for some body parts like the rear boot. Find one in good condition and it is very cheap to maintain and last a long time.

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you can get some ideas with finance aggregators like this:
https://www.imoney.my/car-loan

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2013 Toyota Altis 1.8G - looking for cars that's not too old so it is possible for loan then cars such as this should be your consideration for the budget. Altis this generation on wards aren't as sellable as Civic's so their resale value is slightly lower (savings for your) but they still retain all the goodies, such as full spec accessories like leather and auto seats, Toyota parts accessibility so it's cheaper to maintain (many parts shared with other models, and many OEM/compatible parts), and of course comfort.....although not meant for speed demon at highways coz the suspension setup is more for comfort.

2012 Suzuki Kizashi 2.4 - if you want something abit different, sporty looking, good drive, good handling, great interior you can't beat the value of this car. And it just barely makes it as a loan-able car due to it's age so this is like the last year you can actually loan one. Usually after this point I don't encourage you to buy it because after 10 years the car condition gets alot worst because the owner knows cannot sell anymore so won't maintain it that well. However, be aware there are some drawbacks to this car, it uses a CVT and although it is a very good and reliable one make sure to fully test it before buying the used car, and check if it has done the car door recall, and lastly parts. In terms of price and accessibility it is about the same as Mazda it is not always cheap and not always can get what you want instantly.......when it's working it is really great car though. Overall unless got problems it is quite cheap to maintain. Wanna know more about the car you can download the manual and join the club here.

2013 Mazda 6 - as an alternative to the above car you can choose this, this is pre-skyactive and i love the look as the newer line with skyactiv engines all have a big mouth front which is kinda ugly but of course looks depends on personal taste some say this one has dated looks and since it isn't rare like the kizashi it's oldness does show through. But since it isn't a dead brand in Malaysia getting parts for it is easier than Suzuki.
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2013 Toyota Altis 1.8G - looking for cars that's not too old so it is possible for loan then cars such as this should be your consideration for the budget. Altis this generation on wards aren't as sellable as Civic's so their resale value is slightly lower (savings for your) but they still retain all the goodies, such as full spec accessories like leather and auto seats, Toyota parts accessibility so it's cheaper to maintain (many parts shared with other models, and many OEM/compatible parts), and of course comfort.....although not meant for speed demon at highways coz the suspension setup is more for comfort.

2012 Suzuki Kizashi 2.4 - if you want something abit different, sporty looking, good drive, good handling, great interior you can't beat the value of this car. And it just barely makes it as a loan-able car due to it's age so this is like the last year you can actually loan one. Usually after this point I don't encourage you to buy it because after 10 years the car condition gets alot worst because the owner knows cannot sell anymore so won't maintain it that well. However, be aware there are some drawbacks to this car, it uses a CVT and although it is a very good and reliable one make sure to fully test it before buying the used car, and check if it has done the car door recall, and lastly parts. In terms of price and accessibility it is about the same as Mazda it is not always cheap and not always can get what you want instantly.......when it's working it is really great car though. Overall unless got problems it is quite cheap to maintain. Wanna know more about the car you can download the manual and join the club here.

2013 Mazda 6 - as an alternative to the above car you can choose this, this is pre-skyactive and i love the look as the newer line with skyactiv engines all have a big mouth front which is kinda ugly but of course looks depends on personal taste some say this one has dated looks and since it isn't rare like the kizashi it's oldness does show through. But since it isn't a dead brand in Malaysia getting parts for it is easier than Suzuki.
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Thanks for the detailed recommendations, appreciate it.
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Hi sifus!

I'm torn between

a. 2016-2018 Mazda6 2.2D with 20-40k mileage

b. Late 2019 Passat B8 2.0 TSI with 0-20k mileage (pre reg or demo)

The M6 is about RM170k for 2 year old, and RM140k for 4 years old, whilst the passat is going for RM140k, <1 year car, with SO MUCH more kit that improves DRIVING.

My use case:
-gombak toll to genting police station in 22 min (at night of course =D);
-KL-Terengganu-KL once every 3 months, cruising CONSTANT 200km/h.
-weekend car, cruising with parents;

Will be getting either next month.

Any comments or suggestions is appreciated!!

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