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post Feb 13 2020, 09:43 AM

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1. Brand : Open to any
2. Budget : planning to buy used car, but Im also open to new car suggestions. budget around rm45-50k.
3. New/Used/Unreg : Used/New.
4. Specs : Any.
5. Transmission : Both manual/ auto also can
6. Type : 4 seater.
7. Remarks : good FC, cheap maintenance fees, comfortable, good safety and less problematic.

Currently I only have a motorcycle and its really a PITA if i want to buy many groceries/ go to work when its raining. Im just fed up with taking grabs . So basically will use this car to buy groceries, maybe once or twice a year go long distance, and will use this car to go to work in rainy days.. Hopefully can get some insights from this thread, Im still confused whether should i buy new or used car because I'm working at Johor and maybe in 5-6 years maybe will go back to Sabah.
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post Feb 13 2020, 04:53 PM

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Can anyone advise on used Lexus ES250 year 2015?
I tested drive the car & satified with the driving experience.

However my concern would be on the long run, is it reliable?

The dealer is asking for 133k, is this price reasonable?
With this price range, do you have other model to recommend?

Thanks in advance.

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post Feb 14 2020, 01:09 AM

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1. Brand : Any
2. Budget : Prefer < 65k, can stretch to 70k if necessary
3. New/Used/Unreg : Used / New
4. Specs : Doesn't matter
5. Transmission : Auto
7. Type : Hatchback
8. Remark :

Most often it'll only be me and my gf, so space is not a huge factor, neither is boot space.
Will also be commuting from Kelana Jaya to Midvalley daily for work, so ride comfort is semi-important.
In my mid 20s, too so a "nice-looking" car is, well, nice.

At first was planning to get a Kia Picanto EX (GT styling is too aggressive for what little it offers), but recently have been interested in getting a used Mazda 2 hatchback (not the mid-spec), around 2017, which from checking mudah / carlist seems to go for around 60-70k. But it's quite an old generation model, so dunno if it holds up well now. Also heard of the facelift but that's definitely out of budget.

Other hatchback in this range I've looked at,
1. Used VW Polo - looks good, but put off by the rumors of the constant breakdowns and expensive repair costs, if they've been debunked then i'd consider it.
2. New Yaris - I absolutely hate how it looks, to me it's like the "how do you do, fellow kids" meme irl.
3. New Iriz / New Myvi / New Jazz - don't like how they look.
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post Feb 14 2020, 08:29 AM

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QUOTE(zh3nlong @ Feb 14 2020, 01:09 AM)
1. Brand : Any
2. Budget : Prefer < 65k, can stretch to 70k if necessary
3. New/Used/Unreg : Used / New
4. Specs : Doesn't matter
5. Transmission : Auto
7. Type : Hatchback
8. Remark :

Most often it'll only be me and my gf, so space is not a huge factor, neither is boot space.
Will also be commuting from Kelana Jaya to Midvalley daily for work, so ride comfort is semi-important.
In my mid 20s, too so a "nice-looking" car is, well, nice.

At first was planning to get a Kia Picanto EX (GT styling is too aggressive for what little it offers), but recently have been interested in getting a used Mazda 2 hatchback (not the mid-spec), around 2017, which from checking mudah / carlist seems to go for around 60-70k. But it's quite an old generation model, so dunno if it holds up well now. Also heard of the facelift but that's definitely out of budget.

Other hatchback in this range I've looked at,
1. Used VW Polo - looks good, but put off by the rumors of the constant breakdowns and expensive repair costs, if they've been debunked then i'd consider it.
2. New Yaris - I absolutely hate how it looks, to me it's like the "how do you do, fellow kids" meme irl.
3. New Iriz / New Myvi / New Jazz - don't like how they look.
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QUOTE(Macau @ Feb 13 2020, 04:53 PM)
Can anyone advise on used Lexus ES250 year 2015?
I tested drive the car & satified with the driving experience.

However my concern would be on the long run, is it reliable?

The dealer is asking for 133k, is this price reasonable?
With this price range, do you have other model to recommend?

Thanks in advance.
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It's reliable coz basically it's the same as a Camry.

As for that price, I'd rather get a Toyota Mark X, way much better performing car compared to a glorified Camry.
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post Feb 14 2020, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(Macau @ Feb 13 2020, 04:53 PM)
Can anyone advise on used Lexus ES250 year 2015?
I tested drive the car & satified with the driving experience.

However my concern would be on the long run, is it reliable?

The dealer is asking for 133k, is this price reasonable?
With this price range, do you have other model to recommend?

Thanks in advance.
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Is it the face-lift version or pre face-lift version? Premium or luxury spec?
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post Feb 14 2020, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(cedyy @ Feb 14 2020, 08:39 AM)
Is it the face-lift version or pre face-lift version? Premium or luxury spec?
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I'm not able to distinguish, however based on the info from their ads; this is new facelift luxury spec.
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post Feb 14 2020, 11:50 AM

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hi guys,
did anyone bought toyota cars with ez beli scheme ?
is it beneficial for the 3rd tier as the installment are quite high compare to the first.
i was planning to buy toyota but still in the midst of taking ez beli scheme or just stick with conventional hire purchase loan.
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post Feb 14 2020, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(Macau @ Feb 14 2020, 10:40 AM)
I'm not able to distinguish, however based on the info from their ads; this is new facelift luxury spec.
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You can check paultan website on info regarding the different specs and the physical difference of the face-lift model. I find some of the ads by seller misleading. They claim facelift and luxury spec but the photo show otherwise.

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post Feb 14 2020, 05:31 PM

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1. Brand : Any except Continental cars
2. Budget : 50k to 60k
3. New/Used/Unreg : New preferred
4. Specs : Any
5. Transmission : Auto
6. NA or FI : Any
7. Type : Hatchback
8. Remarks : Planning to change wife's 8 years old car that's getting more problematic, mainly use for sending kids to school & work commute, 100% city drive.

Original was targeting Picanto GT, but was told by the salesman they no longer bringing it in, only got one leftover registered 2019 Picanto EX, had bad experience previously buying last car, so no no.
So I think it's down to either Myvi or Iriz now... hmm.gif

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post Feb 15 2020, 09:42 AM

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you're absolutely right about them being money pits.
for your daily driver you done right with choosing the myvi
however if you can afford a weekend car then why not?

i have a friend that bought a first generation Porsche Cayenne for 30k and he knows if anything major needs repair he has to junk it or pay more than whats the car worth to repair but at least while it is still running can ronda2 in style and pickup amois at zouk brows.gif

2013 Jaguar XF - you can still probably land a loan for a modern model like this as it is within the 10 year rule however do know the interest rates ain't gonna be cheap. I'm not really a Jaguar man so can't really say it is good or bad but what i recall there was a time Jags were under Ford and during that period they used engines and gearboxes (and other stuff) from Ford, although Ford's stuff not cheap at least it is cheaper than Jaguar specific parts, and also these Ford's iinm taken alot of stuff from the Mondeo so Jag purist scoff at it thats also why they're cheap globally compared to the classic ones.

Talking about classic ones you might want to checkout this and this they're recon so you can pick your own number plate like new car but loan-ability depends on banks, some with accept but most will reject or you need to get a very high interest personal loan. But if i was to spend money for a weekend money pit then it's gotta be worth it and i think the classic ones especially coupes are worth it and maybe in future can gain value.

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used car from used car dealer?

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space wise better get innova
it is more basic looking but bigger
aruz looks cooler but it is built from a-segment platform so think of it as a 7 seater axia sweat.gif

QUOTE(hihihehe @ Feb 11 2020, 05:59 PM)
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2019 clear stock promotion still going on? i tot all cleared liao.

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if maintenance worry is the first concern of yours then you shouldn't think of anything else other than toyota's
if you think i don't mind maintenance not as cheap 10-40% more than you can consider other japanese brands
however, mazda together with hyundai & kia are going for comparison's between themselves and conti cars in terms of specs and features
that is why their maintenance isn't cheap and the inflated prices of their cars in malaysia is a reflection of them adding on the cost of free maintenance and warranty for 5 years......maintenance really starts to get expensive after 5 years so buying a 2012 mazda 6 isn't that great of an idea.

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post Feb 15 2020, 12:02 PM

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initially i was choosing between 2015 Teana XL 2.0 (RM65k) and 2015 Sonata Executive (RM64k). Forum member vote more for Teana.

Now, i found x70 CKD at RM94800. new car got 5 years warranty... hmm .. although nissan and sonata might have slightly more feature such as powered seats and front parking sensor. hmm
Old car interest rate around 3.5% while x70 is 2.32% lowest

What is your recommendation?

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post Feb 15 2020, 02:23 PM

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I don't wanna bash BMW but I have to make things clear, just in case you've been influence by BMW drivers, that they aren't so reliable and easy to maintain. Firstly BMW makes poor plastics and interior bits, notice rotting/melting armrest and steering materials, intake manifold are made from plastic not metal and have a tendency to fail and they're expensive to replace and no they're not simple stuff welding workshops can make for you like they do for proton/perodua cars, and finally rusting is common -- an owners club named itself 'the rusted jackets' because of this as an oxymoron. BMW does make good gearboxes the 8 speed one they have is very good and reliable just make sure it was maintained well then there shouldn't be any issue, they are known for making good engines but their current line-up of 4 pot turbo's are derived from the Prince engine (which is used in Mini's, Peugeot and Citroen) also a better version of it and fixed many problems BMW still insist on using cheap plastics wherever they can which reduces reliability. If you talk to new car owners and they're well off so going to 3s to maintain it isn't a problem then yes it can be a wonderful car but after 5 years all the gremlins start to come out as it age the plastics deteriorate.

2014 Merc C180 - yes, this is the yesteryear model. The current C-Class replaces this but also throws in some complexity, you see when this was the current model there was no CLA so this is the base model sedan for the brand so they had to make sure this model could be manufactured cheaply and in volume without issues, and although the full spec model is what draws people to become conti owners the lowest spec were also being used as taxi's in europe so they had to make sure the engine and gearbox is very reliable. And reliable and good it is. But now we have the CLA which is the entry level base model while the C-Class moved up higher, what this means is that if you can afford a new CLA from C&C then you can afford the entry level model C-class recon car but depreciation being the way it is there is nothing between the 100k-170k region (for recon cars) except for the A180/A200 so last batches of late model and facelifted C180/C200 is still relevant in our market. Also you'll notice many of these are still on the streets because they are very reliable and easy to maintain even as used cars although they're not Toyota/Honda level but is the best you can hope for any conti brand. If you have any trusted workshops then they most likely can hand Mercs like this as it is common enough unless it has very complicated electronic issues that need very high level scan tools then yes you need to bring it to a specialist or C&C to fix but the usual maintenance and oil change most shops can handle it.

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well you don't wanna buy a junker for that kinda money for sure.
unless you're like just budgeting 10-20k then yeah get an older Proton Wira/Waja/Satria
they're okay, not too expensive to maintain, but older mitsubishi engines have oil leak issue and the famous proton low quality era....some things will break but usually (especially for wira/satria/putra) the engine/gearbox are very reliable.

2014 Toyota Vios J Manual - i think this would be a good fit for you, it is good you can drive manual because Toyota manual gearboxes are bullet-proof unless it has been really abused or unmaintained -- a toyota manual gearbox should last as long as the car, same goes for the engine, so as long as you test drive the engine no weird sound and the gear shifts are smooth then no need to worry. You may worry that after 5-6 years people won't wanna buy a used 3rd hand manual but by that time this car would be quite old and cheap, cheap people looking for cheap cars but reliable and can drive manuals will definitely look for this car no worries.

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if you're talking about the Lexus ES250 then i'm guessing it is the one with a 2500cc engine.
that one uses the 2AR-FE which is also used in the Camry ASV40 and ASV50, and the Alphard AH30.
it is a nice car, good engine, good gearbox, reliable, quite fuel economy for it's range, but the rear reminds me of a Hyundai Sonata sweat.gif

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Picanto is a decent car but don't expect the resale value to be high when you wanna trade-in for something better later on (you notice not many on the road right? it is unpopular), Kia doesn't have a free maintenance program so you gotta pay everytime you visit the 3s for service -- which can be to be not cheap/expensive but you might find your friends driving City or Vios paying the same amount but they're driving B-segment cars which is a whole level higher than your Picanto in terms of specs and space but don't be alarmed in terms of safety and comfort I think Picanto is the best a-segment in our market but you'll be missing out on higher speeds for highway and interior room -- so basically the value is dependent on your outlook/requirements.

Yaris, Vios, Myvi, Jazz, Bezza are all safe choice because they're well built, reliable, low maintenance and fuel saving. However, I can understand they look too mainstream.

There are two variants of the Polo/Vento, the higher spec with 1.2 twincharger + 7 speed DSG or 1.6 MPI + 6 speed slush box auto.
The one to get is the former because the 1600cc is a simplier engine, MPI is similar to VVVTI or VTEC, no complicated twinchargers, and it comes with an Aisin 6 speed auto which of course doesn't shift gears as fast as the DSG but it is reliable and quite economic on fuel, this is because Aisin makes great gearboxes. They are an affiliate company to Toyota and makes all of the gearboxes for Toyota cars, and Toyota's all have reliable gearboxes. So reliable engine and gearbox, and you can enjoy that nice german designed interior from VW which I really love not too complicated or too boring.

If you're interested in a pre-reg deal for Polo then PM me.
I haven't checked with my contact for sometime but previously he was able to offer a Jan'18 registered VW Vento at 60k in Oct'18, the only down side is you lose a few months (or year if you want cheaper) of warranty everything else remains the same as the distributor just registers the car with JPJ to report to VW Germany the car is sold, and so when they throw price lower they won't get sued. Other than that it is a new car with near zero miles.

2015 Veloster 1.6T - if you don't mind higher maintenance but gaya mesti ada then you can consider the Veloster. It is basically a coupe but the rear seat space is quite decent and there is an extra door at the rear passenger for people to enter and exit, this helps with it's fake coupe looks and also as a safety mechanism as you can be assured the door always opens facing the pavement and nobody ever opens the door to traffic either destroying your door or passenger killing themselves in the process. This particular advert is for the turbo version which is more sporty, powerful and CBU Korea so build quality is much higher.

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Here is the TLDR:

buying cash = not letting the bank earn anything from you but one time off big payment is alot for new car, so people usually buy cheaper used reliable cars like 30k toyota vios.
10-20% deposit + 5 year loan = you're giving the bank to earn minimum interest from you but your paid alot but still let the bank earn something from you and your repayment is high.
10% deposit + 5 to 7 year loan = the standard, you letting the bank earn more but you don't mind because if you do this you can stretch your budget from Myvi to Civic.
0% deposit + 9 year loan = there are two kind of people that go for this kind of loan (a) can afford the loan but want to have minimum impact on their monthly salary then when got extra money will pay more to quickly pay up the car, and (b) barely can pass loan then later when the car is 8 years old and wanna trade-in find out after contra trade-in value still owe bank alot of money so cannot afford to buy new car.

ez loans and others like it play around with the last one.
e.g. BMW flexi has a very low repayment start but later on gets higher and higher, they work on the assumption your income low when buying the car but will go higher in next few months, e.g. doctors, architects or engineers just starting their own practice.

e.g. Perodua/Proton scheme for students because they think at the point nearing the end of the loan that person would have graduated and earning money after daddykasi for deposit and loan start.




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2015 Renault Clio RS - this is only for the brave that want a sporty weekend car, it isn't too bad since it uses the 1.2 turbo engine and gearbox from Nissan so no need to worry it is not expensive and Renault specific parts like the Megane, however Nissan always use Jatco CVT transmission and they're mostly horrible but the Clio uses a DCT not too sure who's the manufacturer but i'm guessing Getrag. Getrag does make decent DCT as they're the suppliers for many big brands, even the Mitsubishi Evo X's Twin SST DCT gearbox was developed by Getrag.
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I think you'll find that after rebates the Jazz is also within reach.

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Depends on what you really want.
Known facts about the x70 is the pickup ain't that good and it's quite a fuel guzzler, but that's the case with most SUV because they usually have bigger tires.
The CRV and Accord uses the same engine but the Accord is better for pickup and fuel economy because it is lighter and have smaller size tires, SUV tires usually bigger as they all start from 18" onwards.

2016 Renault Fluence 2.0 - if you want to save money and don't mind going one segment down then you can consider this as I think it is a value buy. It uses the same engine and gearbox as the Sylphy 2.0 and Teana 2.0, of course all 3 have a known problem since they're all Jatco gearboxes but as long as the gearbox isn't stressed for high torque (dun rev too high all the time) and maintained accordingly they're okay you just gotta nurse it abit but for 30k a 2016 car it is a steal if you know the problems and how to fix it. One retrofit fix is putting an oil cooler, it really works because the newer Teana and Sylphy that Nissan claims that have "fixed" gearboxes merely were the same gearboxes but with oil coolers.

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QUOTE(zenix @ Feb 15 2020, 02:40 PM)
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2015 Renault Clio RS - this is only for the brave that want a sporty weekend car, it isn't too bad since it uses the 1.2 turbo engine and gearbox from Nissan so no need to worry it is not expensive and Renault specific parts like the Megane, however Nissan always use Jatco CVT transmission and they're mostly horrible but the Clio uses a DCT not too sure who's the manufacturer but i'm guessing Getrag. Getrag does make decent DCT as they're the suppliers for many big brands, even the Mitsubishi Evo X's Twin SST DCT gearbox was developed by Getrag.
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I think you'll find that after rebates the Jazz is also within reach.

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Depends on what you really want.
Known facts about the x70 is the pickup ain't that good and it's quite a fuel guzzler, but that's the case with most SUV because they usually have bigger tires.
The CRV and Accord uses the same engine but the Accord is better for pickup and fuel economy because it is lighter and have smaller size tires, SUV tires usually bigger as they all start from 18" onwards.

2016 Renault Fluence 2.0 - if you want to save money and don't mind going one segment down then you can consider this as I think it is a value buy. It uses the same engine and gearbox as the Sylphy 2.0 and Teana 2.0, of course all 3 have a known problem since they're all Jatco gearboxes but as long as the gearbox isn't stressed for high torque (dun rev too high all the time) and maintained accordingly they're okay you just gotta nurse it abit but for 30k a 2016 car it is a steal if you know the problems and how to fix it. One retrofit fix is putting an oil cooler, it really works because the newer Teana and Sylphy that Nissan claims that have "fixed" gearboxes merely were the same gearboxes but with oil coolers.
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we can add the oil cooler ourselves even the gearbox is not design for that? nissan SC can do that?

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we can add the oil cooler ourselves even the gearbox is not design for that? nissan SC can do that?
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don't bother with the SC.
they are just there to make sure new cars are service properly so the manufacturer doesn't have to give away free parts.
also service is chargeable so they make sure they have an extra revenue stream after selling the cars, and of course owners are "forced" to use SC/3S because they wanna maintain the warranty

you can find suppliers like this on aftermarket options
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if your budget is close to 50k then you can also consider some pre-reg deals for VW Polo or Vento.
i think that price will be 2019 stock.

else i think myvi is a good place to be in.
advance will have alot of extra comfort factors when driving it in.
if you drive alot for work, e.g. salesman then it's fine to invest in this.
else one spec down isn't too bad but you save alot of money.

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any honda integra is fine.
they usually are quite good from the get go and most owners (except crazies) will just do some like mods like cold-air in-take.
don't buy heavily modded cars they might be too fakkap deswai the owner discarding it.
honda's of that generation make alot of power from small engines but won't pass today's emission standards.

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okay first things first in terms of size and competitors stepwagon is up against: honda stepwagon = nissan serena = toyota voxy
it is not too popular here
in terms of maintenance it isn't too bad it uses an R20A engine which is same as civic.
but unlike the civic it uses a CVT not 5AT slush box.
honda cvt's are pretty good and it helps to deliver the power better since the engine isn't a big power house.
how much you intend to spend on this car?

do look up voxy as well.
i think it is quite good too.
they all boxy yet still prettier than serena and no hybrid means less to worry.
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if u dun have alot of cash for instant repairs or know alot of about cars
don't go for auction cars
cars in auction usually are repo cars
and ppl that know the bank anytime can repo a car won't take care of it
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Wondering what is the overrall maintenance fees like for kia rio sedan and hatchback and vw polo and vento

I know that myvi is the cheapest, how about other two? Maybe Kia is like extra 20%? Vw extra 30%?

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1. Brand : BMW 320D & alike
2. Budget : 100-120K
3. New/Used/Unreg : Used
4. Specs : M Sport
5. Transmission : Auto
7. Type : Sedan
8. Remark : 2015 & newer
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1. Brand : open
2. Budget : 75-90k
3. New/Used/Unreg : Used/new
4. Specs : c segment above
5. Transmission : Auto
7. Type : Sedan /suv
8. Remark : 2016 & newer

Important: nvh, fc , reliable

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