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post Oct 12 2016, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Oct 12 2016, 04:59 PM)
sounds like a Mazda3 MPS to me.

the engine although largely the same have certain differences, iinm one timing chain instead of two.
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haha he mau 'new' car mah..... mps is the 2.3l model kan... that car scares me alittle...

did not know the timing belt was dif... all i knew was they kept on making minor mechanical tweaks on it, little subtle bits here and there along the way.
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post Oct 12 2016, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(Adjansi @ Oct 12 2016, 10:23 PM)
Don't forget the amazing  Proton Preve CFE/turbo it can do 0-100 in 9.6 seconds.
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QUOTE(Adjansi @ Oct 12 2016, 10:37 PM)
I would recommend Proton Preve if you don't mind 10l /100km city driving.
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well..... his definition of acceptable acceleration = under 7..... apparently he needs to 'outaccelerate' most pipu at the lights rolleyes.gif



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post Oct 13 2016, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(smiling_leopard @ Oct 13 2016, 07:53 AM)
1. Brand = Any
2. Budget = <35k-40k otr
3. New/Used/Unreg = used
4. Specs = powerful car to balik kampung and go outstation
5. Transmission = auto
6. NA or FI ? = I dont know what is this haha
7. Type = sedan or hb
8. Remarks = fresh grad with 2500 basic need first car to go balik kampung and sometimes want to tekan (young blood) haha. Trying to get mothly below 500 haha. Want to to learn to take care of a car. Hehe. If can get handsome car ill be happy. Low maintenance cost ( dont want to spend my time at workshop) Huhu. No major prob. ( I already read about Peugeot 308 turbo and Ford fiesta) haha. More keras and safe ( I do care about safety but I also understand that old car dont have lot of safety features)
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ehh... my comment hilang......... alamak lazy to tulis lama again
basically if you want to buy used, calculate the amount of interest you will be paying correctly. dont wana end up paying more than what is worth.


suggest you consider a newer local frugal car and not any of those conti's you have mentioned. (unless you are willing to live for the car)
+ iriz 1-2 yo used units are alright (and cheap)
+ axia

or an older used car (have some extra for maintanance)
+ latio (zenix's fav) + leaves lots of spare $
+ colt (mivec + turbo goodness)
+ satria neo (brows.gif the fake sports car, all looks no go)
- inspira (yeah running costs abit high, bad idea)

if you have big kahunas and are prepared to suddenly eat rumput one day (no bread even)
-- alfa 147 (also zenixes recommended conti innocent.gif)
-- 308 (facelift is alittle better according to owners)
-- fiesta
-- beetle
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post Oct 13 2016, 11:58 PM

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QUOTE(smiling_leopard @ Oct 13 2016, 08:03 PM)
How about preve turbo, Suzuki swift, Mazda 2 and Kia forte? Any comments
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dont know why fresh grads like these sort of cars.... then again, dry.gif i did, sort of...

technically speaking all 3 cars are alright, swift being a car i dont understand why people like, other than its looks its basically a kosong hatch. The maintanance of all of them are not very high, just more than the price of maintaining an equivalent local car

If your gross salary is 2.5k, how much can you really spend on a car...... Aside from the loan, how much are you willing to spend on it yearly. You need to pay for insurance, road-tax, maintenance, tires, spare cash pool incase crap happens as well as mods (young guy, very likely you will modify the car alittle) Better do the math first.
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post Oct 14 2016, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(lowya @ Oct 14 2016, 10:58 AM)
proton savvy
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if this section "moderate maintenance cost with no major breakdown." is a mandatory requirement, then savvy should be off the list.

just fyi.... the amt savvy is a bad idea. If the mechatronics system fails, the car will basically become garden decor. The manual ones are safe in this aspect BUT, still has way wayyyy too many sensors in the car, troubleshooting errors is apparently a huge pain in the arse cause of this (specialists already know this car's characteristics in and out now though). These sensitive sensors tend to pop or need cleaning every now and then are also very expensive to replace. personally would rather pay for petrol than these sensors.

THis was a car my dad considered getting for me back when i was studying. threw the idea out once some owners gave us some feedback. Saves fuel? yes, its very frugal. Cheap to maintain? no. Handling good? its pretty decent, tyres are basically located at the very edges of the car. Powerful? nope.
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post Oct 14 2016, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(NoNaM3z @ Oct 14 2016, 11:39 AM)
1. Brand: Toyota Prius/Prius C
2. Budget: 80k
3. New/Used/Unreg: Used
4. Specs: Hybrid
5. Transmission: AT
6. NA or FI: -
7. Type.: -
8. Remarks.: Good FC with Low Maintenance & No major breakdown
What I'm seeing here is
1) Prius C(2012/13/14): @Mudah: RM 50k avg, @Topmark: RM 60k above
2) Prius (2012/13/14): @Mudah: RM60k above, @Topmark: RM 75k avg
My question on "worthy" is if based on the budget, should i go for other cars or Prius models are worth getting?
Also, which is a better choice? Prius C or Prius?

Thanks alot~
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what lead you to select one of these in the 1st place? is it the fuel economy? the environmental aspect?wanting to own something diferent? like it aesthetically? status?
why these 2 cars, why hybrids?

just very curious..... hmm.gif
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post Oct 15 2016, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(MrSnorlax @ Oct 15 2016, 11:59 AM)
1. Brand : Doesn't matter
2. Budget : RM8,000
3. New/Used/Unreg : Used
4. Specs : As long can reach from point A to point B
5. Transmission : Auto
6. NA or FI :  FI
7. Type : 4-seater
8. Remarks : Fuel efficient

*Exceopt kancil  sweat.gif
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nothing for 8k will be fuel efficient..... just wana point that out, your options are very limited, just get a old local car
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post Oct 15 2016, 03:46 PM

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just wana say a few things.....

QUOTE(myself379 @ Oct 15 2016, 02:47 PM)
Hi sifus notworthy.gif

Need advice for fresh grad and getting a car. I don't mind 2nd car, but when looking at my mother keep on spending $$ for the 2nd-hand Citroen (1.9 cc engine??) makes me think twice to buy 2nd-hand car, the maintenance fees out-weight the price of owning/using new car. sometimes Change aircond, 1.5k, then suddenly change timing belt RM500 fly away, then sometimes wrong formen skills, basically spend almost like 50k++ on it over 9 years, bought with 5k cash if I remember correctly. So this got me thinking, why not just buy a local car if we knew this gonna happen?

Since I'm a entry level income, I would like opinion on the first car I should get (or better just use public transportation / However, I also okay if just leave car at LRT). I read somewhere that rule for monthly repayment loan is 20% of your salary (is it after EPF deduction??), and not more than 5 years of loan. I do have savings for the down payment (ngam ngam 5 figures nia)

1. Brand : Local car aiming for Perodua (Don't like Proton due to heard many stories like power window rosak, this rosak that rosak etc.... heard more than Perodua)
that bit about proton reliability was somewhat true 10 years ago.... now they are nolonger this horrific, suggest you bring them beck into the fold since they are pretty decent bang for buck
2. Budget : 20k- 55k ~ish On The Road with Insurance
whats with the huge range?
3. New/Used/Unreg : New (This is where I need advice)
if you buy used, interest rates are abit higher? best do the math first
4. Specs : Handling, low FC and low maintenance cost (I know higher priced car are better with lower maintenance cost, but I wish to balance with the fresh grad entry level like me. Bought what I could afford)
the italic bit is nonsense.... one cannot generalize like that. Cheap cars are 'usually' cheaper to maintain... the only cheap cars difficult to maintain are those imported rare ones or very old cars where parts are scarce (your Citroen falls into this list, god knows why you even got that... you should ask owners whats the maintanance like before selecting a car, let that be a lesson)
5. Transmission : Auto
6. NA or FI :  what is this? pai seh dunno
no matter to you i guess, for this $ you will get an NA
7. Type : Don't mind
8. Remarks :

Should I aim for high-spec Axia? or just 1.3 Bezza Advance? or basic 1.5 Myvi or 2nd-hand Myvi?


actually you still havent put down what you would like in a car... you have basically only mentioned that you want the car to be cheap to run. Technically speaking, the cheapest car that can do this is the old saga.... under 10k, will run all the way till its death icon_rolleyes.gif

i suggest you consider a 'newish' car, one about 1-2 years old with service records. New cars depreciate very fast so you wont feel the burden as much since the 1st owner has already cushioned the blow alittle. A car this new would still be under warranty for a while to save your butt incase crap happens.

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post Oct 17 2016, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(limkopi @ Oct 16 2016, 05:49 PM)
hi all sifu, total car noob here
buying my first car.. not gonna be a new car, never plan to have new car either cos im a bike enthusiast tongue.gif

Brand: except Proton (cos already hv an old family proton car  laugh.gif )
Budget: max 10k OTR~ (cash rdy.. maybe can top up 1-2k more
Used.. Under 1600cc,
Manual transmission!!!
Don't mind about fuel consumption etc. My main commute is by bike, car just for backup/occasion fetch friends/family around or in case of raining or storm.  nod.gif
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well... if you scroll back a few pages, there have been suggestions for cars around this price range but if you want something to trash about and cost barely anything in maintanance, revisit old junk potongs....
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post Oct 17 2016, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(Archmage Warlic @ Oct 17 2016, 02:32 PM)
I'm a complete noobie when it comes to cars, so this might be a little difficult, but I'm just looking for a car with good safety features and excellent fuel economy.
Also, how do you ensure you get the best deal? I'm hoping that I will get an offer with the best price when I purchase a new car, but I have little idea on what is the price range I can expect. I've been offered several cars by some dealers who tried to sell me cars at pretty expensive prices (think Perodua Axia at MYR49,000 or Proton Persona at MYR69,900). I'm even willing to pay the full cost of the new car upfront, if it means I can get a significantly cheaper price. My friends who are more familiar with cars have advised against doing so, though.
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your options are basically these

bezza
-small (easy for noobs to park)
-imo, the 1.3 is butloads better, 1.0's dont move anywhere

saga
-same old saga with botox inside and out.
-has some added safety features

persona
-new stuff, has a bigger iriz engine yay~
-stocked with safety features
-much smaller than the old persona

to be honest nothing much differentiating these cars, just the size and pricetags.
bezza and the persona being the newest and more high tech of the lot. These 2 offer good economy and excellent safety features (high end bezza only tho). Just pick based on your requirements, nothing really difficult here

*not sure why you are considering the axia, its not a sedan.
**also, NA = naturally aspiated aka (no turbo) and FI = force induced (hello turbos), no issue for u since you cant afford a turbo (side note, nowadays turbo cars sip fuel, they really do. better than na even)
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post Oct 17 2016, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(albertpcl @ Oct 17 2016, 04:25 PM)
Tq @Veejay, mileage is close to 80,000km, my fren told me his aorcond got problem & may need change the compressor.
used car only offer him Rm59k
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im not buying the bit about the used car dealer offered him 59k but... generally, price is alright if its in good condition (no accidents, no funny stuff). If i were you, find out how much it costs to get that ac fixed.... then make a decision. I believe the ac is something mandatory for most malaysians (me excluded, i keep that ac off! saps precious power! unless it gets too hot whistling.gif )
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QUOTE(zenix @ Oct 17 2016, 04:44 PM)

apasal my recommended cars macam x best  ranting.gif
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ehh nu... alfas are good stuff!! me likes them just takut to own one haha...
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QUOTE(zenix @ Oct 17 2016, 05:32 PM)
wow.....

if i were him, i would inspect that gti very closely..... usually not so cheap...... if it truely is good... its actually worth its asking price. from the pics it generally looks good, nice even....

though got to see why the rear seal is looks like its been taken off
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QUOTE(zenix @ Oct 17 2016, 06:06 PM)
a few theories:

1. banjir car then when they put in the new carpeting the rear wasn't done up nicely.
2. rear end accident, repaired now he wanna get rid of it. < this would be my no1 suspect.... but if its good, this is a very good offer
3. nothing wrong but many maintenance stuff catching up and one shot need to do might be expensive so they just sell easier.

generally true SGTI's are 15k and above but under 25k.

if someone expects performance from a car that is cheap to maintain they're fools.
even for a decent car like the Civic FD1 with a 1800cc engine which is quite fuel saving and gives good power output for me can't really give the kinda performance i'm looking for if people really want to talk about performance, pickup is not bad and it can reach above 200kmh but it doesn't have high speed stability. Adding better shocks, bigger rims and grippy tires help but those add weight and grippy tires are good for traction but you'd need move fuel to make it move and usually threadwear is terrible so extra money spent on tires......but if you truely like going fast you've gotta put economy out the window.
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not so expensive to maintain adelah, but cheap? no....

bolded bit 100%

QUOTE(zenix @ Oct 17 2016, 05:58 PM)

why you off the a/c?
your car not underpowered also  brows.gif

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to be honest... i dont know why... i guess cause i really felt a huge dif when i turned off the ac in my saga last time.... so yeah do the same now. There is still alittle dif, but not significant. (also mitsu/potong punya ac has no 'reasonably cool' setting, it basically just freezes me

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post Oct 18 2016, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Oct 17 2016, 06:43 PM)
Want something with some muscles to overtake roadhogs going the speed limit then look for some Japanese C-segment with 1800cc and above.
Latio with 1800cc engine is a decent choice, it is quite light, should be able to overtake irritating Camry's cruising at 110kmh on the fast lane with ease if you drop a gear or two. But to do that on a lesser car like a Toyota Vios for example you'd push the engine to an inch of it's life, wait a long time for it to build up speed after initially going from 80 to 130kmh fast, and balls of steel to push and cruise B-segments above 160kmh. LOL!

If that is what they want then maintenance can still be relatively cheap within the segment/class limits.

However, if you got angry you kept getting flashed for hogging the fast lane eventhough you're pushing your economical car above 140kmh often at highways by Mazda6's, Mini Coopers, and turbo diesel pickups then of course you'd need something that is not only faster than them but can be faster than them and handle high speeds in a stable manner.

e.g. in a road without much traffic like KL-JB or KL-PG

A Vios 1500cc getting flashed to move aside by a Ford Fiesta 1600cc is more or less a stalemate as both are about there in terms of performance.
A Vios 1500cc getting flashed to move aside by a Honda Civic 1800cc of course even if the Vios driver is hot tempered and tekan his car max max it might go like 180kmh before he chicken out due to vibrations, noise and tire grip (VNT). Most likely a Vios would dare chase a Civic to like around 160-170kmh only, but the VNT is still there but for a Civic maintaining 160kmh for a long time until that pesky Vios guy chicken out is relatively easy. Then comes a VW Golf GTI flashing the Civic away, the Civic will give way because although the driver knows his car can go 200kmh it ain't going to be very stable at those speeds for longer distance especially against a car of the class of a VW Golf GTI -- which is more performance orientated -- but if it was a Honda Accord or Toyota Camry the possibility of those D-segments chickening out is there because they're also not meant as cruisers above 200kmh more like comfortable cruisers at 160-180kmh.

Civic level performance, still attainable and relatively cheap for it's segment/class. RM200 and above for normal service.
GTI level performance, is minimum RM350 because decent 0w-40 engine oil for such cars are priced at RM250 at the lowest, Petronas Syntium 7000 0w-40 prices start around RM279 at the petrol stations.

And RM350 is considered cheap for that kinda of segment/class. lol.gif
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now, im a fella very happily puttering away on the left most or centre lane. I like the car im driving now, no real need to get to my destination quickly hehe. Even have a P sticker on the back windscreen (now i think about it, not sure if thats legal, should check that). Sometimes some annoying fellas (strangely usually myvi's and civics, and an occasional vios) cucuk my buntut too close, then i tekan and larikan diri. most will give up when it comes to the bends laugh.gif

if you see the my old junk with a slightly obscured P sticker puttering away slowly on the left lane, probably me biggrin.gif

a random statement... i have something against fd1's.... just really dislike those things...


QUOTE(Kieff @ Oct 18 2016, 07:31 AM)
well, I definitely want skyactive, can my budget meet it? I studied Nissan teena's price is abt in this range…
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skyactive means you need to go for the lastest model. that would probably set you back much closer to 100k (probably 110-120k in shops)
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QUOTE(zenix @ Oct 18 2016, 03:16 PM)
Ford Fiesta better not be a choice for you since the resale value isn't great normally for Fords, and the sedan is just so ugly the RV drops more.
Honda City medium spec might be the best one for you.
there was a time one of the 8gcc members whom had a Type-R dekit swap with an FD1 owner because he was going for a rocket bunny kit.
so there might have been a time you'll be wondering why you got tapau-ed so badly by an FD1  laugh.gif

i miss my vr4, now deciding on a used e92 or ej25 lol.gif
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me budak baik... no vroom vroom punya innocent.gif

sooby? hmm which vers?? latest wrx is a little intimidating... more power than the old sti WITH a cvt... A CVT!!!!! blasphemy!!


QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Oct 18 2016, 05:03 PM)
HI sifu.

I know its a bit OT. But this is the place where all sifu gathered. haha.

Currently Vios NCP 42, realize one of the rim bengkok abit, really abit only during balancing process. But after done the alignment, the handling still good at 130km/hr. So until now I don't bother...

Till that during one traffic jam, got one fella duno is sleeping or playing phone, bang to rear, my rear bumper on the right hand side drop around 2 cm, with no external damage, but internal part (below brake light) break already, and the bracket also break already. And eventually the bumper also paint come out abit. Lastly able to fix it by forcely pull up by hand not machine. But left a 1cm gap just below the right break light.
my condolences to the old bumper
I planning to change the rear bumper at SC because have to go SC to replace the airbag.

Since going to SC, I just want to ask regarding the rim.... Is anyone here change their rim at SC before. I mean, I wish to buy rim at SC and ask them to fix for me too. If yes, do I need to know what to worry? Because I am afraid that the nut placing isn't same? Like NCP 150 have diff length between to nuts compared to NCM 42? But I am wondering is it ok to remove tyre from old rim and into the new rim? Will it affect the quality of the tyre?

1) when you say 'nut placing' i assume you mean pcd? iirc, should be the same 4 lug, 100 (4x100)... anyway it wont go in if the pcd is incorrect...
2)suspect the original rims might cost quite a bomb at the cs... why not consider getting some decent aftermarket rims? (or used set?memang no value punya these oem rims... good condition, few hundred bucks)
3)tyres can be reused IF the sidewall isnt damaged. Not sure how you damaged your rims so yeah you got to check...


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post Oct 18 2016, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(Kieff @ Oct 18 2016, 05:22 PM)
Thanks! I'm not sensitive abt the pricing trend 8n the used car market. Would the price of used car in the shop drop after crossing into year 2017, just like new car, usually??
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i think you are talking about pre-registered cars?

technically they dont drop at all... they only lower it if they cannot sell the car after a while or if they really need to get rid of it... otherwise it will sit in the lot waiting for a new owner. (otherwise everyone would only buy cars at the ends of the years)
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Oct 18 2016, 05:29 PM)

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oem as in truelly original stuff..... your original rims are oemlah (this is using the term oem correctly, unlike how these chinaman ripoffs tell you their real cheap china made stuff is oem)
so what i meant by that is, find a set of used original rims.... those rims are heavy and are worth next to nothing. you will probably get the set of four for the price of one in the sc.

pcd salah, 100% cannot masuk.i mean, the studs wont go though....
personally still feel that you should look for rims elsewhere...... sc gona chop you big time *go to mudah and cari*
personally would go cari a set of aftermarket rimslah, long as not ahbeng ahbeng type, its alright...... me still waiting for my tires to die before changing rims.... current rims impractical and are silly....
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post Oct 19 2016, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Oct 18 2016, 06:33 PM)

If in used car lots as a used car, yes.
If as unregistered new car usually no, unless cannot sell like VW Polo, but Perodua Myvi's made in November usually crossover to January without price drop as the factory usually ramp up production around that time of the year to have enough supply for CNY sales.
eerk... oops... the type of cars i viewed must have been too old to noticeably affect the selling price

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oh my... very clever much engineering magic happening....

what you got?
well lets just say my rims have 8 lugs.... yeah...... (disclaimer, it was not installed by me, practicality -100)
you mentioned subaru rims? actually i was also considering getting a set of evo 7 (the bbs looking ones) or subaru v9 rims.... only problem with the scoobie rims was the fact that there are sti stamped on it....
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QUOTE(limkopi @ Oct 18 2016, 07:55 PM)
ehh.... 300k doesnt mean much if the owner has really taken care of it and rebuilt it..... to me its all about how someone has cared for it.
blacktops.... make sure its in decent cond.... went to viw a few units back then, lots of these modified cars were basically trashed by their owners, some left to sit, then sold when they cant be bothered to get them back to its prime.
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QUOTE(lowya @ Oct 19 2016, 01:41 PM)
no.... thats just the typical a 2.5....... with the auto tranny, very common.

the seller seems familiar tho....

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