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post Mar 30 2020, 07:13 PM

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QUOTE(PcEvo @ Mar 30 2020, 06:38 PM)
Is the Sony UBP-X700 Region free player for both Bluray and DVD?

Sorry if the question been answer before ... cos am planning to get a 4k player too.

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I have asked this question to shops before, they don't know the answer. Region free players can be bought online, but they are kind of expensive. In the end I just settled getting a Samsung UBD-M8500 4K Bluray player from Best Denki. It's certainly NOT a region free Bluray player. At least for Bluray. I'm not sure if it has a region bypass code for DVD.

The sucky thing about buying the 4K Blurays from Speedy or that shop in 1 Utama is that they carry the US and UK releases, and they don't put any notice or warning to buyers. I bought the 4K Bluray version of Kingsman the Golden Circle last year during the KLIAV fair, and at that time I didn't have a 4K Bluray player yet. I thought I could watch the Bluray disc first, when I discovered the Bluray disc was region B. I did call Speedy HQ to ask whether I can return or exchange the title, but they said that people buy 4K Bluray titles for the 4K Bluray disc. So in the end I just had to hold on to it, until I ended up getting the 4K Bluray player above.
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post Apr 9 2020, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(fadthil @ Apr 9 2020, 06:24 AM)
similar case to blu-ray... i bought PS3 because it was the cheapest blu-ray player i can afford at that time when i first starting up (that's about 13 years ago cool2.gif). but it has its downside as it does not have the features and enhancements of a standalone player. but i get what you mean... nod.gif
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I also used a PS3 as a Bluray player back in the day. But I think the example is not the same as using Xbox One S/X. PS3 did not have the ability to bitstream lossless audio for example. In that regard it's not as good as a standalone player.

The Xbox One S/X is better than a regular 4K Bluray player in my opinion. It can output both HDR10 and Dolby Vision HDR, where most standalone players just support HDR10. It can bitstream all audio tracks including Dolby Atmos just like a standalone player. And if you use Netflix, it even loads faster than a 4K Bluray player. It won't be able to beat an expensive Oppo or high end Panasonic player, but if we're talking 1000 plus ringgit players, there is nothing an Xbox One S/X cannot do that a regular player can.
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post Apr 10 2020, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(westlife @ Apr 10 2020, 08:43 AM)
my PS2 bought in year 2003, it is still working now. it is a modded one something which allows the playing of 'friendly games'. but too bad that time mine is still the 'fat' original PS2. The slim version was out in 2004.

my PS3 i bought it for more than 10 years now also. Mine is the slim version. Not the 'fat' one. However, subsequently, there is one more super slim version.

PS4 can play blu-ray, DVD. However, it cannot play audio CD. what a bummer.  tongue.gif  Of course, it does not play 4k UHD blu-ray discs also. Another bummer.

Console to me, they are the best players. They exceed many standalone players.
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That's something that never sat right with me. Why wouldn't Sony put in a 4K Bluray drive in the PS4 Pro? I do appreciate the increased performance in games, but it would have been great to also have 4K Bluray playback built in. Relatively speaking, 4K Bluray is somewhat of a failure, especially compared to DVD adoption rate, but it seems a bit premature of Sony to dismiss 4K Bluray in favor of 4K Streaming. That was the official reason given:

“4K is becoming mainstream first through streaming, and then through broadcasts. Only after this will 4K content start to become commonly distributed on discs, and we are anticipating more of this going forward. Sony will thus bring a distinctly “Sony,” high-quality 4K Blu-ray disc player equipped with Sony’s latest technologies to market at the appropriate time, in a way that is consistent with market demand for 4K discs. Sony hopes to invigorate the 4K market in this way.”

I'm glad the PS5 will finally include a 4K Bluray drive. It's weird that Microsoft is the one pushing 4K Bluray this generation, despite them not really having a reason to do so. The PS3 was the cheapest Bluray player for a long time, and it also helped drive the adoption of Bluray media. Microsoft backed HD DVD instead, and required the external HD DVD drive as an extra purchase. Guess who won that format war?
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post Apr 10 2020, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(westlife @ Apr 10 2020, 09:55 AM)
yeah. Sony being the member of the Blu-ray Disc Association, their ps4 does not support 4k blu-ray while their competitor Microsoft Xbox One supports it.

yeah. you are rite. my gut feel is 4k UHD Blu-ray will unlikely to be popular anytime soon.
1) firstly, it is still very expensive.

2) compatibility issue, to buy a standalone player that supports it will deter ppl from considering. Although XBox One S/X is relatively cheaper alternative.

3) most content on youtube, netflix are still major at 1080p. probably it needs to wait until it becomes on norm at the said platforms then physical discs got chance to catch up.

4) one needs a compatible device to enjoy the fullness of 4k. TVs are ok (this is quite common now and 4k TVs are relatively cheap nowadays so not so much a big deal) but other devices such as laptops/tablets/mobile phones are not are mostly at 2k resolution average. So technically, 4k to those devices are not a must since one cannot enjoy at full resolution. Netflix is a good example on mobile phones, you can select 4k but ur phone maybe is only 2k resolution. it will still look sharp since the content exceeds the resolution of device but one actually will waste more data (if not on wifi) to stream 4k content and again does not enjoy the maximum resolution of the content.

5) digital content seems to elimate the needs of physical discs. i hardly heard anyone buying blu-ray discs nowadays. I was previously used to buy blu-ray discs for those movies/concerts that i like to keep for collection purpose. For many years i have not done it already, partly due to the fact that lesser movies that interest me to keep as collection. Even those singers/bands have hardly released new albums or blu-ray discs for concerts, therefore no chance to buy too. My most recent blu-ray disc is the concert by Westlife. This will likely to be a trend. I afraid one day, we may not even see the physical discs for all these contents.
Even for those ps4 physical game discs, the quantities they released are very limited, if you dun happen to buy the game titles you like at the earlier stage, you may not even able to get the physical copies later.

I myself is a supporter of blu-ray discs. I hope they will continue to release them.

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Valid points all around. DVD was actually around since like 1997, but only started gaining popularity after the PS2 was released globally. This wasn't a coincidence. The hardware was relatively cheap, it could play DVDs, AND backwards compatible with PS1 games. How much was the overlap between gamers and movie lovers that bought PS2, I have no idea. But I think it was significant. The price was a huge factor.

I am also a supporter of home entertainment media. From VHS, to VCD, HD DVD, Bluray, and now 4K Bluray. When money is of concern, most Malaysians turn to pirated media. I did too. But once I have good income, I started supporting original media, because I want them to be around. I vastly prefer physical media compared to streaming, though I do appreciate the convenience.

Now that Sony is backing 4K Bluray more seriously, I hope they will also give it more of a push. Let people know more about the advantages of 4K Bluray over Bluray and DVD. PS5 is suposed to have very good audio capabilities, but no Atmos support from what I know so far. They can still change that. Give people a reason why they should get on board 4K Bluray. Then maybe the format can grow.
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post Apr 10 2020, 10:39 AM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Apr 10 2020, 10:19 AM)
I think soon or later physical media will gone, especially when 5G is worldwide available. When 5G coverage is wide, I think even stream original contents like 4K UHD blu-ray also not an issue.

My last purchase is Bumblebee and Bohemian Rhapsody.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=95607146
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I suppose it's going to happen eventually. Most people do not really need to watch a movie more than a few times. It was the reason rental stores were very popular in the 80s and 90s, since it was cheaper than buying movies on media.

Now we don't even need to own the players themselves. Back then, you still had to buy a VCR or VCD player even if you just wanted to rent movies. Now you take out the physical layer and just stream to your TV, computer or phone. When a major manufacturer like Samsung has stopped manufacturing 4K Bluray players, you know things are getting real. Sign of the times huh.
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post Apr 10 2020, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(fadthil @ Apr 10 2020, 03:45 PM)
bros tripleb, westlife & andrewtst – i agree with all your opinions on this subject!  rclxms.gif

one of your earlier post; bro westlife why you were disappointed Sony did not allow 4K UHD playback on their PS3 Pro – i think Sony found out that one of the reasons the previous PS3 conk-out with regards to the lens issue is because it kept re-adjusting its lens when different media being loaded into the PS3 – games > DVDs > Blurays > games > Blurays > DVDs etc in continuous pattern. so maybe that's why until they figure out all this can be worked out, then they'll allow playability for all disc media in its PS... and in this case their upcoming PS4. but that's just my view... it could be totally out of context. i like when they can include 4K on games console and not just on standalone.... these will drive non-gamers to adopt to 4K without having to dig deep into their pocket for a standalone player to enjoy one... and who knows might start to jump into gaming since they already have a console! whistling.gif

other issue (apart from the ones listed out by bro westlife) that will cause unlikely popularity of 4K UHD bluray adopters among general consumers is that there is no significant difference between Full HD (1080p) to 4K (2160p)... unless you have a massive screen size tv or projector that can amaze the eye. we as cinephiles or technophiles probably can tell the difference, or knows them technically, bit rates bla bla... but not the general consumers! it's not night and day... unlike the comparison between DVD (480p) to Bluray (1080p) which is quite a big leap! flex.gif

but just my 2-cents.... sweat.gif
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It's no longer enough just pushing resolution. There needs to be a 'hook' or gimmick when pushing new tech in general. VCD was actually worse than VHS in terms of imaqe quality, but it was easier to use. No rewinding, CD media is more versatile, and it lasted longer. Laserdisc was the best home format in the 80s, but it was too expensive for mainstream acceptance.

DVD came at a time when it was cheap enough for mass market adoption. Early on, a lot of DVDs came with extra content like behind the scene features, cut content, movie trailers and such. This was on top of better video and multichannel digital sound. It was perceived as better than VHS and VCD in every way. This was the 'hook' it had early on.

When HD DVD was still around, it really gave a fight for the home entertainment marketshare. I actually backed HD DVD between 2007 - 2008, just up until Bluray won the format war. Anyway, both formats helped define the HD era of movies. Full HD resolution and lossless audio became standard. Yet Bluray never reached the popularity level of DVD. There just wasn't enough difference to convince the majority of people to make the jump.

Today, 4K Bluray is facing an even tougher challenges. In addition to legacy formats like DVD still around, there are also challenges from Astro and the various streaming providers. They even support 4K resolution now. There's just not that much appeal in owning movies on 4K Bluray when it's already "good enough" for most people. The only 'hook' 4K Bluray has is Dolby Atmos / DTS X output, and maybe HDR.

I continue to support 4K Bluray (and Bluray too) of course, since I want to watch movies in the best possible way. I just hope the format continues to be supported well into the next generation.
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post Apr 12 2020, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(GuyB @ Apr 12 2020, 11:44 AM)
You guyz who buy from overseas... kena tax and duty ke?
Is it below RM500 no tax?

Amazon UK does not have multi region Blu-ray as far as I know..

But they do have a very nice plain CD player that I want. So hard to find decent CD players now in Malaysia..
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I actually used to buy Blurays frequently from Amazon UK. Need to pay attention to the region information when buying. All of my Blurays from the UK were region ABC, except for the one time I accidentally bought a Region B Bluray.
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post Jun 15 2020, 04:32 PM

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Guess this is really happening then. First we will see the loss of home movies, next step will be for consoles. PC market is pretty much all digital now. It's just a matter of time for the consoles to do the same. The PS5 is confirmed to have an all digital version already.
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post Jun 18 2020, 11:33 PM

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I was at 1U last weekend to get my hands on some 4K Blurays I missed out throughout 2019 and during the MCO. Disappointingly there wasn't anything too new. The more recent titles I got was only Terminator Dark Fate and Spider-Man Far From Home. Those were full price when I went there. Of course that was before the Speedy closure announcement on Monday. They also had a buy 2 for RM199 deal for select titles. I got Mission Impossible Fallout, Deadpool 2, Detective Pikachu, Toy Story 4, Shazam, Ralph Breaks the Internet, Lego Movie 2, and Ant-Man 2.

I also checked the Subang Parade branch, but they didn't have the RM199 deal for 4K Blurays. And there's no further discount on 4K Blurays too. They did have some unwanted Blurays selling for RM35 for 7 or something. I was hoping to find John Wick 3 or something more recent. But I guess they already stopped bringing in new movies for a while now.
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post Jun 24 2020, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(fadthil @ Jun 24 2020, 02:47 AM)
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i went to SPEEDY at Subang Parade yesterday evening and bought these two titles – Puss in Boots (BD) & Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Out of the Shadows (3D-BD) for RM10 each... not bad deal at all!  thumbup.gif actually i took the Puss in Boots 3D-BD but the sales lady told me that this release only comes in 3D disc only without the normal blu-ray, so she allowed me to take the normal BD from the 7 BD for RM35 selection instead.

i want to get Shrek 2 & Shrek The Third (both 3D) for RM10 each too... but there is no Shrek & Shrek Forever After for a complete set, so i pass... cool2.gif

nothing much for the 7 BD for RM35 ones... sad.gif  maybe can check at One Utama again later this week...
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Dreamworks 3D titles are usually 2 in 1. The 3D disc also contains the 2D version. If you play it on a non 3D TV it will play the 2D version. I happen to have quite a few of them.
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post Jun 29 2020, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jun 28 2020, 11:59 PM)
If the disc only 1 single disc and label 3D only, then that copy don't have 2D version.
They do have such version selling in speedy, so need to be very careful as 3D version need 3D player + 3D TV, else it won't play.

2 disc version will have proper label Blu-ray 3D + Blu-ray.
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I'm aware of the titles with 2D+3D discs in the package of course. I own a ton of 3D movies. The majority of 3D titles do have separate 2D and 3D discs. You can't play the 3D version on a non 3D TV as you said.

But there ARE certain titles that actually contain the 2D and 3D versions on one disc. Most of them are from Dreamworks. And some are from Fox. These are the titles I personally own, which I bought from Speedy a long time ago.

Shrek Forever After
Monsters VS Aliens
Rio
Ice Ace 4

All the Shrek movies should be the same, although I don't own Shrek 1-3 on 3D. But the majority of other 3D titles can't play on non 3D TVs though. Anything from Sony or Disney. Anything from Paramount. Same with Universal.
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post Jun 29 2020, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Jun 29 2020, 07:49 PM)
In this case, it is like battle, kind of danger, haha!
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To be honest even I didn't know about it. Until I picked up one of Dreamworks' 3D movies. At the back it said "This Blu-ray 3D disc is also able to play in 2D mode". But for Rio and Ice Age 4 there was no such wording. I just bought it because I already hava a 3D TV, so what do I have to lose. Out of curiosity I tried it on my 4K TV (non 3D), and it worked!

Oh I missed one more title earlier. How to Train Your Dragon 3D can also be played on non 3D TV.
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post Jun 30 2020, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(fadthil @ Jun 30 2020, 03:50 AM)
nice selection... i think i saw most of those also at Subang Parade & One Utama outlets too thumbup.gif
i have to agree with bro andrewtst on this issue. if it is a single disc 3D version, it only plays 3D, no 2D... at least when referring to the one sold at SPEEDY which i believe is an Asian Region A hmm.gif

and for your info, the three Shrek movies 1-3 in 3D sold at SPEEDY for RM10 each i think; contains only the 3D version. just the other day my friend bought all three Shreks 3D (1-3) and thinking it has 2D version can't play on his normal BD player & TV  doh.gif  now he's trying to sell it back... luckily he unwrapped just one to check  laugh.gif
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Again, in most of the titles, if it comes with the 3D disc only, then it can't be played on non 3D TVs. Very specifically, only some of these can be played on non 3D TVs. I personally have these titles below, which I just tested again on my non 3D TV yesterday. I assure you it will work. When you insert it into the Bluray player, you will be asked which version do you want to play. Of course if you select the 3D version you will still get the usual "can't be played on this TV" message. All of them were bought from Speedy.

Shrek Forever After
Monsters VS Aliens
Rio
Ice Ace 4
How to Train Your Dragon


I don't have Shrek 1 - 3 on Bluray 3D yet. I can take it off your friend if he doesn't want them.
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post Aug 3 2020, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(Andrewtst @ Aug 3 2020, 12:47 PM)
In Malaysia very hard to get 4K Blu-ray Player.
I do using Panasonic DMP-UB400 but this one not support Dolby Vision, but only HDR10. Also seems unable to find anymore.

I do found another player support Dolby Vision - Sony UBP-X700, some said good some said got problem, I haven't bought yet, still considering as now I am waiting to see PS5 will support playback or not, if yes then I am not going to update my 4K Blu-ray player anymore.

https://www.sony.com.my/electronics/blu-ray...layers/ubp-x700
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Both Xbox Series X and PS5 are confirmed to have 4K Bluray drive built in. So I might just disconnect my standalone 4K Bluray player in the future to make way for one of them. Maybe even both haha.

 

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