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mentalmuz
post Jul 12 2018, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(Jason @ Jul 12 2018, 11:20 AM)
Big rain shower with instant hot water, you will face 2 possible problems:
1.Water pressure not strong enough, so the flow of the rain shower will be slow.
2.Water pressure strong (maybe you have household water pump), but the instant hot water can't heat up the large volume of water.
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I see, thanks. Can't heat up means totally cold or just warm? I 'm OK if it just warm but if totally cold then it beats the purpose. To be fair, the price of storage water heater is not much different to branded instant water heater. A 35L Joven storage water heater cost RM6xx while Joven instant water heater cost about the same. So price is not the issue, it just currently I don't have copper pipe for the storage hot water so I need to hack all the tiles to install it. Trying to justify if its worth it to go for storage since I only need the hot water for 1 point only.
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post Jul 12 2018, 06:24 PM


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QUOTE(mentalmuz @ Jul 12 2018, 11:17 AM)
If I just need hot water for shower in 1 bathroom, does it still make sense to go for storage water heater? Currently I'm using Joven instant water heater. I'm quite satisfied with the temperature as I don't really need very hot water for shower but I want to change to big rain shower for personal enjoyment. So far when I read in this thread seems like instant water heater is not recommended to be use big rain shower? or do you guys know any instant water heater that I can use with big shower head maybe like below type?
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rain shower does not need high pressure water.

if water pressure is enough for normal shower head type, it will be enough for rain shower system.
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post Jul 13 2018, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(mentalmuz @ Jul 12 2018, 11:17 AM)
If I just need hot water for shower in 1 bathroom, does it still make sense to go for storage water heater? Currently I'm using Joven instant water heater. I'm quite satisfied with the temperature as I don't really need very hot water for shower but I want to change to big rain shower for personal enjoyment. So far when I read in this thread seems like instant water heater is not recommended to be use big rain shower? or do you guys know any instant water heater that I can use with big shower head maybe like below type?
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Your instant heater pump cannot coupe with this big shower head. It not enough power to pump the large amount of water for this big shower head.

The most bigger size for instant heater is 7" head. The istant heater have to design for the shower head, Not any instant heater.

Another problem is the water temperature will drop alot. This is due to

1) high flow water cannot absorb enough heat from the heater.
2) Because of the slow water drop from shower heat, the water been cold down by the air between the water travel from the head to your body. You can feel the water colder than using the hand shower.

Use water heater tank.
mentalmuz
post Jul 14 2018, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(slimey @ Jul 12 2018, 06:24 PM)
rain shower does not need high pressure water.

if water pressure is enough for normal shower head type, it will be enough for rain shower system.
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Yeah I don’t have pressure issue, just worried it won’t heat the water enough

QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 13 2018, 09:39 AM)
Your instant heater pump cannot coupe with this big shower head. It not enough power to pump the large amount of water for this big shower head.

The most bigger size for instant heater is 7" head. The istant heater have to design for the shower head, Not any instant heater.

Another problem is the water temperature will drop alot. This is due to

1) high flow water cannot absorb enough heat from the heater.
2) Because of the slow water drop from shower heat, the water been cold down by the air between the water travel from the head to your body. You can feel the water colder than using the hand shower.

Use water heater tank.
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I guess it’s time to look for contractors to install the copper pipe. Thanks all for the feedback.

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post Aug 5 2018, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(bmwlover @ Jun 8 2018, 12:51 AM)
do u guys recommend wall mounter instant water heater or storage type water heater? what are the pros & cons?
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Just want to add additional question to this post.. Which is safer in terms of the risks in getting electrocuted? Does the storage water heater has less risks of electrocuting someone to death while showering? Coz so far, I have only heard of people getting electrocuted by instant water heater but none from storage water heater.. hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif Also, I am thinking of getting a centralized storage water heater to supply hot water to the whole house as it might be cheaper in the long run compares to changing 3 faulty instant water heaters..
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post Aug 23 2018, 09:22 PM

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before buy and install any instant water heater ,make sure the power point Has Earth ,must direct from D/B 20A MCB/ 2 Pole ELCB/RCCB. For SAfety !
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post Aug 28 2018, 12:38 PM

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Hi guys, Im totally new to water heater, however im planning to change one before SST comes in place.

I have seen afew today, quited satisfied with the DC Elba / Joven which costs ard the same like 6xx - 7xx, which would u guys recommend.

And I also saw the range shower head which is something I feel quite decent, however the promoter was saying it depends on the strength of the water supply, any clue to check whether my house water supply has such capacity lol? (landed 2 storey with bathroom in lower floor)

Sifu Dada Please help !
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post Aug 30 2018, 06:19 AM

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Hows Electrolux heaters which now comes with 5yrs on heating elements n 10yrs warranty tank leaks?reliable?
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post Aug 30 2018, 06:25 AM

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Whatever you buy, don't buy Panasonic. Other than the brand, it worth nothing.
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post Sep 17 2018, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(CKKwan @ Aug 30 2018, 06:25 AM)
Whatever you buy, don't buy Panasonic. Other than the brand, it worth nothing.
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May I know what's the current problem with Panasonic heater? Im planning to buy one since many quoted this brand. Thanks.
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post Oct 8 2018, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ May 25 2018, 09:25 AM)
Hydro1 have 30L, 50L and 80L. Check at the Specification.

Base on the Eco30 L, 36min - 44°. If reach to 70° will take  - 70/44x36= 57min.

Base on Eco50L, 45min - 44°. If reach to 70° will take - 70/44x45= 71min.

Base on the Joven JH35L, 60min - 70°.

Base on the Joven JH50L, 90min - 70°.
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Bro.. I think you may have read the temp specs incorrectly.

HydroOne EcoHeater specs

Joven specs


For the Eco 50L, it states that it takes 45 mins for a 44° increase in temp (i.e. from 31° to 75°)

For Joven JH50 (50L), with 3kw heating element, the heating time is 45 mins to a 43° increase in temp (i.e. 27° to 70°)

Thus, performance wise, if the paper specs is accurate, both should be similar for the same capacity.

I have been using Joven for the last 8 years. Served me well but it recently stopped working so hunting for a new heater. At the store, the sales guy asked me to take a look at Hydro One so looking it up now. Spec and technology wise Hydro One seems promising.. but what you say is correct, it's a relatively new brand so reliability still not proven yet unlike Joven.

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post Oct 9 2018, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(zasszuss @ Sep 17 2018, 12:25 PM)
May I know what's the current problem with Panasonic heater? Im planning to buy one since many quoted this brand. Thanks.
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From my research only that brand got the push on/off function to cut off power+water at the same time.
Other brands seem to need to turn the control valve in order to off the water flow.

Also, wish to see if anyone has experience using Toshiba water heater? Looks cool with the digital temp LCD and more reasonably priced.
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post Oct 14 2018, 09:45 AM

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how is DEKA water heater with DC pump? is it reliable? any brand that is recommended for landed house with old piping system.
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post Feb 15 2019, 12:11 AM

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My favourite heater is CENTON Serene Series! Centon has quite a few other models as well, heard that they have the best safety features | https://www.onsen.my/collections/centon-shower-water-heater


Here are some other water heaters available in Malaysia:

https://productnation.co/my/home/bathroom/2...eater-malaysia/

http://www.creativehomex.com/5-best-water-heaters-malaysia/

IMO China brands (eg. Midea) are cheap but low quality and not reliable, Japanese brands (eg. Panasonic, Hitachi) are pricey because of their brand, but the best all-rounder and highly reliable are our own homegrown Malaysian brands (eg. Centon, Alpha, Joven).

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post Feb 21 2019, 03:45 PM

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sorry off topic ,


any instant water heater installer you can share with me ? smile.gif
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post Jun 11 2019, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Jun 8 2018, 09:00 AM)
Pro:
Can supply to several bathroom
With high water pressure (high water flow rate), the water is still warm enough.
Faulty heater element hard to replace (on ceiling). Water wet ceiling during replacement because not all water in storage can be dried up (my own experience  smile.gif )

Con:
More electricity if it is kept on, otherwise, the heat loss is just waste of energy during off state.
You tend to fully blast the water at high flow compares to instant water heater, thus water waste.
Normally use copper piping for hot water. How to channel to several bathrooms without major hacking?

I have both storage and instant. Storage in master bedroom because the house came with copper piping in the wall already. The heater element will corrode over time and cause power trip in the heater line. Many shops or service people  told me that usually people will replace will new tank. Well, I'll stick to replacing the heater. Bought it for RM90 (if not mistaken). Was unable to replace it because location too tight to put my spanner. Just called a person that familiar and he devised his own tool to make his work easy  smile.gif

I only switch on when I want to use just like instant water heater. It does not take much time, probably less than 30s to start feeling the warm water. Keeping the heater on assuming like hot water pot increases electricity bill probably RM20~30. The heat retention is just not good I think.
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hi, you seemed very well versed with storage heater type. can i seek your advice on which is the best brand for about 50L storage. and where can i buy? and would you be able to recommend installer too? much appreciate your advice.
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post Jun 12 2019, 05:41 AM

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QUOTE(swanchoc @ Jun 11 2019, 07:40 PM)
hi, you seemed very well versed with storage heater type.  can i seek your advice on which is the best brand for about 50L storage.  and where can i buy?  and would you be able to recommend installer too?  much appreciate your advice.
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I would say any known brand is okay. Well, there is only 2 brands that has many models I think. It is Joven and Alpha. If youj google you can find and compare those. If you do not want to put on ceiling, you can go for vertical one and put high in bathroom wall (if you have big bathroom and don't mind looking at it smile.gif ).

I saw around RM730 ... eg.

https://www.banhuat.com/alp50l-h
https://shopee.com.my/Joven-50L-Vertical-St...96121.216851179

JUst make sure the size can go through the ceiling opening you have, otherwise have to remove ceiling laugh.gif

The shop selling these or any plumbing stuff shop can always provide you with installer. I do not have contact already. Long time. Sorry.
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post Jun 13 2019, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(llk @ Jul 11 2018, 05:54 PM)
Anyone know what is the reasonable labour charge to dismantle existing water heater & install a new one?
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Was quoted for RM120.
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post Jun 28 2019, 01:26 AM

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For joven, anyone knows wht is the diff for sb, sl, n i series?

If lets say i wanna install a water heater, bathroom located on ground floor, need pump for additional pressure, which series would u recommend?

Thnx
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post Jul 15 2019, 12:19 PM

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looking for reliable joven or alpha water heater

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