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ChAOoz
post Apr 2 2022, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 2 2022, 07:43 PM)
Good news for China stock?
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This news was first break by bloomberg yesterday, and china listed adr mostly jump up on open and later deflate down as the rumour cannot be confirm, and many chinese investors also curious why china adrs went up yesterday as they are also in the dark.

Seemed its official today, just announced by china securities regulators officially.

https://www.reuters.com/business/china-chan...ngs-2022-04-02/

Sometime institution really had an advantage when it comes to getting news faster than others.
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post Apr 2 2022, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Apr 2 2022, 08:04 PM)
This news was first break by bloomberg yesterday, and china listed adr mostly jump up on open and later deflate down as the rumour cannot be confirm, and many chinese investors also curious why china adrs went up yesterday as they are also in the dark.

Seemed its official today, just announced by china securities regulators officially.
Personally for me buying China stock listed in US stock exchanges always has this risk despite this good assuring news which can change anytime as US and China are anything but good friends. It would be safer to invest in China A shares or HKEX instead if one is going for China stocks IMHO
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post Apr 3 2022, 03:31 AM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Apr 2 2022, 08:04 PM)
This news was first break by bloomberg yesterday, and china listed adr mostly jump up on open and later deflate down as the rumour cannot be confirm, and many chinese investors also curious why china adrs went up yesterday as they are also in the dark.

Seemed its official today, just announced by china securities regulators officially.

https://www.reuters.com/business/china-chan...ngs-2022-04-02/

Sometime institution really had an advantage when it comes to getting news faster than others.
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Only a draft by Chinese regulators haven’t even got a stamp of approval from CCP doh.gif

Anything can happen in China as they will always reverse it based on their current policy doh.gif
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post Apr 3 2022, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 1 2022, 09:03 PM)
Only buy options if
1) market is super red and things are like 30-70% discount. Otherwise don't bother.
When you are selling options you are basically the insurance/casino company and insurance and casino usually wins majority of the time. If you don't scree it up.
2) as a hedge if you think market is going down.

Avoid saxo at all cost. They are expensive and only good with their marketing.
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mind to share which broker you use?
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post Apr 3 2022, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(wongkheong86 @ Mar 24 2022, 09:16 AM)
put in Tesla stock
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why i see a lot of people invest in tesla stock?
Ramjade
post Apr 3 2022, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(Yota @ Apr 3 2022, 01:39 PM)
mind to share which broker you use?
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If you want to do options interactive broker, TD, first trade.
Skip stuff like moomoo or tiger.


QUOTE(Yota @ Apr 3 2022, 01:59 PM)
why i see a lot of people invest in tesla stock?
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Cause it's the top and best electric car maker and it's just getting started. It still have years of growth ahead of it

Go watch some of chicken genius video and you will understand.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Apr 3 2022, 06:07 PM
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post Apr 3 2022, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(Yota @ Apr 3 2022, 01:59 PM)
why i see a lot of people invest in tesla stock?
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Simple reason the future of transportation with strong supply chain manufacturing
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post Apr 3 2022, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(Yota @ Apr 3 2022, 01:59 PM)
why i see a lot of people invest in tesla stock?
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Coz of Elon Musk. He’s a genius and still young. Much future hold for Tesla and looking bright.

Profit has been increasing with Tesla plus new factories being built in Germany recently.

This post has been edited by Davidtcf: Apr 3 2022, 11:18 PM
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post Apr 4 2022, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 1 2022, 09:03 PM)
Only buy options if
1) market is super red and things are like 30-70% discount. Otherwise don't bother.
When you are selling options you are basically the insurance/casino company and insurance and casino usually wins majority of the time. If you don't scree it up.
2) as a hedge if you think market is going down.

Avoid saxo at all cost. They are expensive and only good with their marketing.
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Your 1) refers to buy call or buy put?
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post Apr 5 2022, 12:54 AM

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QUOTE(Toku @ Apr 4 2022, 06:31 PM)
Your 1) refers to buy call or buy put?
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1) is buy leaps. Deep in the market call say 1-2 years expiry date.
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post Apr 5 2022, 08:51 AM

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Some WSJ reads. No BT and FT today as library is closed for tomb-sweeping day (it's a public holiday here).

Starbucks’s Schultz, Back as CEO, Prioritizes Baristas Over Stock Price: https://www.wsj.com/articles/starbucks-susp...share_permalink

Why Starbucks Went Cold Turkey on Buybacks: https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-starbucks-...cks-11649084575?

Meta’s Clock Gets TikTok’d: https://www.wsj.com/articles/metas-clock-ge...share_permalink

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WSJ Exclusive: Investment Firm Files Finra Arbitration Demand Against Morgan Stanley

Disruptive Technology Solutions accuses Morgan Stanley of front-running a block trade in Palantir stock the bank executed last year, according to filing

https://www.wsj.com/articles/investment-fir...share_permalink


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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 5 2022, 12:54 AM)
1) is buy leaps. Deep in the market call say 1-2 years expiry date.
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How to make profit from this? Is this for trading profit or for protection? Isn't this option rolling constantly taking money from you?
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QUOTE(Yota @ Apr 3 2022, 01:59 PM)
why i see a lot of people invest in tesla stock?
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cause elon is a clown and a source of entertainment/publicity

jokes aside

some of the points below future is EVs,

Battery tech getting better , recharge time getting shorter
ICE getting phased out sooner or later. just research how comparable ICE vs EV
FSD maybe coming mayb not
Tesla bot
Home batteries

negatives
someone might beat them to FSD and AI
Even more sportier and better EVs from competitors

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post Apr 5 2022, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(Toku @ Apr 5 2022, 11:05 AM)
How to make profit from this? Is this for trading profit or for protection? Isn't this option rolling constantly taking money from you?
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Cause options is leverage. When you buy leaps options when price is down, when the stock price recover or shoot up, your options value shoot up more than the stock price.

You then sell your options for money. There's no rolling.
You can sell it or some hold until like say 6 months until expiry and them sell it off cause beyond 6 months the options value will decay very fast.

That's how Nancy pelosi and husband makes money by buying deap in the money call options on companies like crowdstrike, Tesla, Nvidia when it's cheap. Nancy pelosi and husband have been outperforming the s&p500 and nasdaq100 because of their options.

That's how some people become rich on Tesla when no one wants it.they loaded up like crazy. Then when Tesla shoots up, their options increases multiple time.

That's how deepfvalue got rich through GameStop saga. He bought 2 years call for like 13-15. When GameStop shot up to like 1xx, his options became worth millions.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Apr 5 2022, 03:05 PM
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post Apr 5 2022, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 5 2022, 03:04 PM)
Cause options is leverage. When you buy leaps options when price is down, when the stock price recover or shoot up, your options value shoot up more than the stock price.

You then sell your options for money. There's no rolling.
You can sell it or some hold until like say 6 months until expiry and them sell it off cause beyond 6 months the options value will decay very fast.

That's how Nancy pelosi and husband makes money by buying deap in the money call options on companies like crowdstrike, Tesla, Nvidia when it's cheap. Nancy pelosi and husband have been outperforming the s&p500 and nasdaq100 because of their options.

That's how some people become rich on Tesla when no one wants it.they loaded up like crazy. Then when Tesla shoots up, their options increases multiple time.

That's how deepfvalue got rich through GameStop saga. He bought 2 years call for like 13-15. When GameStop shot up to like 1xx, his options became worth millions.
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but if prediction goes wrong.. or some unforeseen thing happens.. can end up lose money also. And the amount lost much greater than buying stocks.

This post has been edited by Davidtcf: Apr 5 2022, 03:37 PM
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post Apr 5 2022, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Apr 5 2022, 03:37 PM)
but if prediction goes wrong.. or some unforeseen thing happens.. can end up lose money also. And the amount lost much greater than buying stocks.
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Actually no. Maximum you lose is the amount you paid for 1 contract. That's it. Nothing more or nothing less.

Buying 1 contract = 100 shares but = lesser value than buying 100 shares outirght. Don't believe me go and do a simple Google of buying saying say 100 Tesla shares Vs buying 1 deep in the money call options for Tesla. See the difference?

If the options is deep in the money, you can exercise the options you bought or 100 shares. Those 100 shares is worth something provided the company is still around. biggrin.gif
As long as any options is deep in the money it will auto exercise upon expiry date.

You will lose money only if the company goes to zero. Buying 1 contract will make you lose less money Vs buying 100 shares outright if the company goes to zero.

But if your are selling naked calls the risk can be a lot if you domt have the collateral to back it up.

I am talking about buying deep in the money calls here.

Another strategy you can follow is chicken genius strategy. Sell at the money put 1 month out. On expiry date, just buy back the put to close it. But he only does it on Tesla.

If you know what you are doing with options, it's next best thing since sliced bread. I have been making usd400-450/week just by selling options. Not much but better than nothing. The USD400-450/week really help to refill my money chest faster than my salary or dividends. That's why I don't do dividend investing anymore. In fact this week those USD400-450/week paid for my 10 shares of Starbucks aka I am getting 10 free shares of Starbucks biggrin.gif

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Apr 5 2022, 04:35 PM
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post Apr 5 2022, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 5 2022, 04:25 PM)
Actually no. Maximum you lose is the amount you paid for 1 contract. That's it. Nothing more or nothing less.

Buying 1 contract = 100 shares but = lesser value than buying 100 shares outirght. Don't believe me go and do a simple Google of buying saying say 100 Tesla shares Vs buying 1 deep in the money call options for Tesla. See the difference?

If the options is deep in the money, you can exercise the options you bought or 100 shares. Those 100 shares is worth something provided the company is still around. biggrin.gif
As long as any options is deep in the money it will auto exercise upon expiry date.

You will lose money only if the company goes to zero. Buying 1 contract will make you lose less money Vs buying 100 shares outright if the company goes to zero.

But if your are selling naked calls the risk can be a lot if you domt have the collateral to back it up.

I am talking about buying deep in the money calls here.

Another strategy you can follow is chicken genius strategy. Sell at the money put 1 month out. On expiry date, just buy back the put to close it. But he only does it on Tesla.
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complicated.. need to research more on this first before trying options rclxub.gif

been watching youtube and read about it but still don't really get it sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Davidtcf @ Apr 5 2022, 04:34 PM)
complicated.. need to research more on this first before trying options  rclxub.gif

been watching youtube and read about it but still don't really get it  sweat.gif
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See my edited reply. biggrin.gif
Go watch Benjie options, pandrea finance, dream green show. That's basically how I learn my options.

I am not as brave or as loaded as chicken genius.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Apr 5 2022, 04:37 PM
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post Apr 5 2022, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 5 2022, 04:35 PM)
See my edited reply. biggrin.gif
Go watch Benjie options, pandrea finance, dream green show. That's basically how I learn my options.

I am not as brave or as loaded as chicken genius.
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thanks... will check it out. Hope it isn't time consuming need to keep monitor.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 5 2022, 03:04 PM)
Cause options is leverage. When you buy leaps options when price is down, when the stock price recover or shoot up, your options value shoot up more than the stock price.

You then sell your options for money. There's no rolling.
You can sell it or some hold until like say 6 months until expiry and them sell it off cause beyond 6 months the options value will decay very fast.

That's how Nancy pelosi and husband makes money by buying deap in the money call options on companies like crowdstrike, Tesla, Nvidia when it's cheap. Nancy pelosi and husband have been outperforming the s&p500 and nasdaq100 because of their options.

That's how some people become rich on Tesla when no one wants it.they loaded up like crazy. Then when Tesla shoots up, their options increases multiple time.

That's how deepfvalue got rich through GameStop saga. He bought 2 years call for like 13-15. When GameStop shot up to like 1xx, his options became worth millions.
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I can understand selling options to make money for <6mths expiry options. But what you suggest is buying options with >6mths expiry. Is the price volatile for those long duration options? Or you need to hold for more than 1yr to just let the time decay to reflect into the price for the profit? Wouldn't it take so long for just one bet?

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