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post Jul 28 2021, 01:25 PM

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QUOTE(red streak @ Jul 28 2021, 01:07 PM)
This is just the beginning. China is going to fuck up every industry in a bid to overhaul them and exert more control. Dunno which suckers are going to invest in China after this. $120b industry gone overnight whistling.gif
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I m wondering is China gov using this strategy where they will make all this stock price crash.

Buy back at a lower price and delisted.

List back in HK and price shot. Profit. biggrin.gif

Happen before in this China stock listed in US. (Don't remember the stock name)
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post Jul 28 2021, 02:39 PM

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https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/valu...atory-crackdown

Malaysia Value PArtner bullish view on China thou whistling.gif
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post Jul 28 2021, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 28 2021, 12:57 PM)
No more future?
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dont know la....i rather wait china issue settle 1st if want to enter china stock...
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post Jul 28 2021, 03:40 PM

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中概股末日來臨!北京與華爾街聯盟破裂?政治因素破壞中國公司信用,中國公司的苦日子來了|中環孫老師

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post Jul 28 2021, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 28 2021, 01:25 PM)
I m wondering is China gov using this strategy where they will make all this stock price crash.

Buy back at a lower price and delisted.

List back in HK and price shot. Profit. biggrin.gif

Happen before in this China stock listed in US. (Don't remember the stock name)
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Dunno leh wanna kena bait again or not. $120b Tutoring Industry gone overnight because Da Ge said, don't stress the kids out after school. TAL and Co. kena wiped out and forced to become Non-Profit. HK shares of Chinese companies are still taking a beating alongside their US counterparts. China is just starting their purge too...dunno who else they're gonna bully until they're satisfied.
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post Jul 28 2021, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Jul 28 2021, 12:44 AM)
Rumour, US and China talk failed.

US funds are offloading China and HK assets. US may restrict investment in China and HK.

China can’t support fast enough the HK market and let it fall. Before support back.
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Too scary to catch the falling knife based on past performance, the chain effect is too strong, just stay sideline and see how Chinese gov react first shakehead.gif

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post Jul 29 2021, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(oOoproz @ Jul 28 2021, 07:38 PM)
Too scary to catch the falling knife based on past performance, the chain effect is too strong, just stay sideline and see how Chinese gov react first  shakehead.gif
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I remember in March 2020, ppl say don’t catch the falling knive. Then we all know what happened. v shape and end up most didn’t get in.

I’ve been “catching the falling knife”, going heavier for each red day. Just a one day movement up yesterday was enough to break even.

For those who read too much anti ccp propaganda, suggest to follow @ruima on Twitter, or read “AI superpowers China, Silicon Valley, and the New World order” by Kai Lee. You need to get a balanced view from opposite sites too. Most news media writing about Anti CCP hasn’t step foot in China or even work in China tech industry before.

Recent education crackdown- ask yourself (in fact, read more about it, including opinions from both sentiments), what’s the ccp’s reasons for this? Do you think it’s a good thing long term wise?

China tech crackdown - hey, US failed to control their big tech. They want to, but failed to, or will take many more years. If US managed to control big tech’s power, I wonder what the headlines will be? I bet it’s gonna paint that scenario in a good light.

VIE structure poor? Holy shit, the FUD on this one. If VIE becomes null and void, the financial markets will be the least of your concerns then, there will be bigger implications than that.

ADR delisting? It’s fungible ffs. You can convert ADR to HK listed shares. Just pay some admin fees to your brokerage. If you’re holding ETF, they will sort it out for you. If the stock is not listed in HK, then there might be a problem, but with every problem, there will be a solution, your holdings will not suddenly vanish in thin air.

To invest in China, you need to understand CCP’s long term mission. Heck they even lifted 800m ppl from poverty. Don’t trust the numbers? Go have a walk along the streets of tier 5 cities then.

Edit: oh btw I never liked those chinese Edu stocks, so really don’t recommend them. When I mention China stocks, I meant the reputable ones like BABA TENCENT JD (and ETFs)

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QUOTE(Raymond_ACCA @ Jul 29 2021, 11:44 AM)
I remember in March 2020, ppl say don’t catch the falling knive. Then we all know what happened. v shape and end up most didn’t get in.

I’ve been “catching the falling knife”, going heavier for each red day. Just a one day movement up yesterday was enough to break even.

For those who read too much anti ccp propaganda, suggest to follow @ruima on Twitter, or read “AI superpowers China, Silicon Valley, and the New World order” by Kai Lee. You need to get a balanced view from opposite sites too. Most news media writing about Anti CCP hasn’t step foot in China or even work in China tech industry before.

Recent education crackdown- ask yourself (in fact, read more about it, including opinions from both sentiments), what’s the ccp’s reasons for this? Do you think it’s a good thing long term wise?

China tech crackdown - hey, US failed to control their big tech. They want to, but failed to, or will take many more years. If US managed to control big tech’s power, I wonder what the headlines will be? I bet it’s gonna paint that scenario in a good light.

VIE structure poor? Holy shit, the FUD on this one. If VIE becomes null and void, the financial markets will be the least of your concerns then, there will be bigger implications than that.

ADR delisting? It’s fungible ffs. You can convert ADR to HK listed shares. Just pay some admin fees to your brokerage. If you’re holding ETF, they will sort it out for you. If the stock is not listed in HK, then there might be a problem, but with every problem, there will be a solution, your holdings will not suddenly vanish in thin air.

To invest in China, you need to understand CCP’s long term mission. Heck they even lifted 800m ppl from poverty. Don’t trust the numbers? Go have a walk along the streets of tier 5 cities then.

Edit: oh btw I never liked those chinese Edu stocks, so really don’t recommend them. When I mention China stocks, I meant the reputable ones like BABA TENCENT JD (and ETFs)
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I share the same view as you and i already maxed out my portfolion on alibaba and tencent.

My main concern would be on how china does thing. What if today ccp feels that alibaba is charging their seller too much or they think tencent addictive gambling style game is ruining their young generations.

I have been monitoring china soc med for quite alot lately. It seemed china citizen dont really like their big tech as they feel they are big bully and the government action is supported.
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post Jul 29 2021, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Raymond_ACCA @ Jul 29 2021, 11:44 AM)
I remember in March 2020, ppl say don’t catch the falling knive. Then we all know what happened. v shape and end up most didn’t get in.

I’ve been “catching the falling knife”, going heavier for each red day. Just a one day movement up yesterday was enough to break even.

For those who read too much anti ccp propaganda, suggest to follow @ruima on Twitter, or read “AI superpowers China, Silicon Valley, and the New World order” by Kai Lee. You need to get a balanced view from opposite sites too. Most news media writing about Anti CCP hasn’t step foot in China or even work in China tech industry before.

Recent education crackdown- ask yourself (in fact, read more about it, including opinions from both sentiments), what’s the ccp’s reasons for this? Do you think it’s a good thing long term wise?

China tech crackdown - hey, US failed to control their big tech. They want to, but failed to, or will take many more years. If US managed to control big tech’s power, I wonder what the headlines will be? I bet it’s gonna paint that scenario in a good light.

VIE structure poor? Holy shit, the FUD on this one. If VIE becomes null and void, the financial markets will be the least of your concerns then, there will be bigger implications than that.

ADR delisting? It’s fungible ffs. You can convert ADR to HK listed shares. Just pay some admin fees to your brokerage. If you’re holding ETF, they will sort it out for you. If the stock is not listed in HK, then there might be a problem, but with every problem, there will be a solution, your holdings will not suddenly vanish in thin air.

To invest in China, you need to understand CCP’s long term mission. Heck they even lifted 800m ppl from poverty. Don’t trust the numbers? Go have a walk along the streets of tier 5 cities then.

Edit: oh btw I never liked those chinese Edu stocks, so really don’t recommend them. When I mention China stocks, I meant the reputable ones like BABA TENCENT JD (and ETFs)
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Agreed
Investor should and never be bias. Unlike normal news where they are clickbaity, anything related to investment/market the headline usually contain FUD, to crash the market.

There's news reported Cathie disposed some of china stock due crackdown, bad china. Like what the heck she did not totally disposed china stock. And then few weeks later, Cathie started buying china stock due to crackdown finish, china good.
There's reason why they being call wolf's of wallstreet

Regardless china or usa market, invest with money you willing to lose.

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post Jul 29 2021, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jul 29 2021, 12:00 PM)
I share the same view as you and i already maxed out my portfolion on alibaba and tencent.

My main concern would be on how china does thing. What if today ccp feels that alibaba is charging their seller too much or they think tencent addictive gambling style game is ruining their young generations.

I have been monitoring china soc med for quite alot lately. It seemed china citizen dont really like their big tech as they feel they are big bully and the government action is supported.
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As of now, you do know that the US now basically control by the democrats?
And the US government have been trying to control those big tech firm

Expecting some major bills to be pass to regulate us big tech firm
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jul 29 2021, 12:00 PM)
I share the same view as you and i already maxed out my portfolion on alibaba and tencent.

My main concern would be on how china does thing. What if today ccp feels that alibaba is charging their seller too much or they think tencent addictive gambling style game is ruining their young generations.

I have been monitoring china soc med for quite alot lately. It seemed china citizen dont really like their big tech as they feel they are big bully and the government action is supported.
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Need to read China contemporary history to understand.

QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Jul 29 2021, 01:22 PM)
As of now, you do know that the US now basically control by the democrats?
And the US government have been trying to control those big tech firm

Expecting some major bills to be pass to regulate us big tech firm
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Not all democrats agenda will be passed.
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 29 2021, 01:36 PM)
Need to read China contemporary history to understand.
Not all democrats agenda will be passed.
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Of course.
We shall see how democrats act on big tech firm
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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Jul 29 2021, 01:36 PM)
Need to read China contemporary history to understand.
Not all democrats agenda will be passed.
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There is the mao ze dong and the deng xiao ping school of thought. Both still hold sway, but which you think the current regime subscribe to more.

If you read Xi background, you will know his childhood, either he fear it or bore hatred for it, I'm not sure.

But the cultural revolution surely have deep significance in shaping his view of China and it's policy towards capitalism today.
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QUOTE(ChAOoz @ Jul 29 2021, 03:06 PM)
There is the mao ze dong and the deng xiao ping school of thought. Both still hold sway, but which you think the current regime subscribe to more.

If you read Xi background, you will know his childhood, either he fear it or bore hatred for it, I'm not sure.

But the cultural revolution surely have deep significance in shaping his view of China and it's policy towards capitalism today.
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Xi is inclined to Mao ideology.

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Xi is inclined to Mao ideology.
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Mao's is socialist and populist leaning sweat.gif

Let me go monitor more of chinese soc med now then, see what is their view on their "china" big tech. Once they are so proud with the likes of Hua Wei and Alibaba as global champion, i wonder is that still true wink.gif
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the prospect of china tech still looks good. Regulation imposed by the china government is making it more healthy.
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I run out of bullets to buy already.. only can watch the rebound sweat.gif
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I run out of bullets to buy already.. only can watch the rebound  sweat.gif
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Ditto.. have been buying many these recent red days.
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China Convenes Banks in Bid to Restore Calm After Stock Rout

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/202...calm-after-rout

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China’s securities regulator convened executives of major investment banks on Wednesday night, attempting to ease market fears about Beijing’s crackdown on the private education industry.

The hastily arranged call, which included attendees from several major international banks including Goldman Sachs Group Inc and UBS Group AG, was led by China Securities Regulatory Commission Vice Chairman Fang Xinghai, people familiar with the matter said, asking not to be named discussing private information. Some bankers left with the message that the education policies were targeted and not intended to hurt companies in other industries, the people said.

It’s the latest sign that Chinese authorities have become uncomfortable with a selloff that sent the nation’s key stock indexes to the brink of a bear market on Wednesday morning. State-run media have published a series of articles suggesting the rout is overdone, while some analysts have speculated government-linked funds have begun intervening to prop up the market.

China’s official Xinhua News Agency said in an article late Wednesday that recent policies targeting internet platforms and after-school tutoring are aimed at protecting online data security and social welfare rather than outright curtailing those industries.

The securities regulator is supportive of companies that seek foreign listings, Xinhua said citing recent comments from the agency’s Chairman Yi Huiman. Companies with variable interest entity structures can also seek cross-border listings CNBC reported citing a person familiar, adding that Chinese companies will be allowed to IPO in the U.S.

“What this shows is that there isn’t an intention to unilaterally destroy business models and businesses which are fundamentally aligned to the party’s priorities for China’s development,” said Adam Montanaro, a London-based emerging-market fund manager at Aberdeen Standard Investments.

The step gives reassurance that the tutoring industry decision was a unique case and “should slowly begin to restore confidence if they can convince the market that the regulatory developments are not an attack on profitable enterprises,” he added.


When squid is involved then there is bound to be ......

Main prime broker for Mr. B that led to the melt up in Jan and Feb is none other than GS.
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You guys all very brave and good. I just sold off my last share INTC for a 2% profit... lol. Back to holding cash and my KPI still 50% to go.... The US market is getting harder and harder to play. The shares I target all either all year high or near all time high. Let's see how things go and if US's resolve to hurt China is as easy as they hurt Huawei.

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