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post Jul 25 2017, 03:32 AM

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unstoppable bull marching towards 2500....
amazon and alphabet above 1000... cool2.gif

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post Jul 26 2017, 07:53 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jul 25 2017, 10:41 PM)
the bull is still charging!

alphabet/goog... falling... something about high costs.
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ya....alphabet could become my next apple....keeping a tight eye on it recently, nvidia comes 2nd.... biggrin.gif
looking at below 850.... cool2.gif

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post Jul 27 2017, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jul 27 2017, 01:37 PM)
Am I looking at this right.. Oil passed $45 barrier. Going to hit $50 as next target?
UWT to shine again.
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looks like it....50 coming...
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post Jul 27 2017, 10:05 PM

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yahoo finance finally works again...
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post Jul 28 2017, 01:16 AM

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sharp fall, especially nasdaq....correction coming?
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post Aug 1 2017, 04:03 AM

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there you go, 50 broke out. cool2.gif
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post Aug 5 2017, 12:08 AM

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How to evaluate Tesla's valuation? Anyone?
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post Aug 5 2017, 02:21 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 5 2017, 01:03 AM)
If compare to car manufacturer (GM, Toyota, Mazda)... it is way overvalue.
If compare to a tech company.. it is more like it. like AMZN, NFLX, etc..

TSLA is definitely not a value stock by any means.
Not making a single dime of profits but more losses every year but
speculation is on its growth.

Too rich for me..to buy and hold sweat.gif
But, can trade.. if you're on the correct track.
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I am considering the fundamental, not technical.
since it's still a loss making company, it's hard to valuate, and hard to "predict" its profit margin since there isn't any profit yet.
I can see its technology and innovation are shining, much better than Toyota or GM. In the (near) future, technology should lead the world because of continuing advancing the electrical car and self-driving category. The world market can be huge if one could dominate the majority of the market, especially one with such small portion as Tesla is today.
Another point is Tesla's roof tiles sola technology, which is also a non-existence for consumer market (probably 0.000001%). And we know that as long as the price becomes right, this market is going to be huge. Once again, profit margin concern. We certainly not happy with higher revenues = higher loss kind of business model.

Just wondering, how do you define "rich" for tesla? what are your parameters? Thanks!

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post Aug 8 2017, 02:32 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 5 2017, 05:09 AM)
It's the same fundamentals parameters that you've stated - loss making, still negative PE..
nothing here yet but huge operating expenses but seems like majority of investors are betting
on its technology that it may have a bigger market share than other EV cars in future. Some may feel
TSLA maybe like the AAPL (cars instead of mobile phones) but I don't think so.

There are others who are catching up now..Nissan, Toyota, GM (already had the consumer price version of Volt years ago),
Mazda...  granted, none of them are as cool as TSLA. So, imo, TSLA buyer could be the hippie type for now as long it continue to improve on its technology. Another thing is its CEO also a brand name that investors are willing to pay up because of him (just like late S.Jobs)

As for the rest of the world market, China could be a good potential there for TSLA as long they can fight off the copycats and other local sharks (usually supported by the so called China version of GLCs).

At current price.. I'm staying away (not for BUY and HOLD for investment - but ok to just trade 'em - see their options price, good premiums). I think fair price for TSLA should be in mid 100s.  Again, just my assessment. Others may have diff views.  biggrin.gif
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post Aug 8 2017, 02:35 AM

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QUOTE(icemanfx @ Aug 5 2017, 07:28 AM)
Understand many funds bought tsla because they were convinced by Elon musk salesmanship and made $ millions along the way.

Tsla price correction will comes when results is below expectations. To keep price high and attract more buying, expect Elon musk to cook up more and bigger ideas.
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post Aug 9 2017, 09:35 PM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 9 2017, 11:49 AM)
Elon Musk is also celebrity (appeared on TV shows like Big Bang Theory).. so his name somehow adds a few billions to the market cap of TSLA.
Investors simply invest because of him too.. not necessarily they care about the fundamentals.
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ya, people are so keen to meet another Jobs in this world, and he is one of the best candidates i guess. He's charming, good humor, and successful anyways. laugh.gif
same here, i don't think he's the same league as Jobs....certainly behind Jobs, for my opinion.

also one thing that worried me (if i were an investor of Tesla) is that he has no problem spending company's money for any R&D projects that may not have business benefits to the company but only for his own likes and "hobbies". I think, he's this kind of a personality, which is great for world's technology, but may not be good for people who pay his expenses, such as investors.

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post Aug 10 2017, 04:42 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 9 2017, 11:00 PM)
where is oil going?

us stocks dropping but not rig count.

libya/opec production rising, saudi says "i cut"...

weaky $, venezuela on brink of civil war, n korean "nuclear icbm"...?

wti been sitting at 49-50 for 10 sessions now.

can't cross 50, great support at 49...
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strong resistance at 50.... cool2.gif
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post Aug 11 2017, 02:07 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Aug 10 2017, 10:32 PM)
went to 50.20 but didn't last... again.
GOOG... 914, can buy or not?! tongue.gif
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looking at GOOGL for below 850.... laugh.gif

nice broad market pull back these few days....could it last a little longer this round? i wish it could.... cool2.gif

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post Aug 17 2017, 10:19 PM

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i'm still waiting for a meaningful correction....so far it's not coming yet, not even 5%, should i forget about 8%-10%?
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post Aug 22 2017, 11:01 PM

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this bull really cannot play play. just corrected a little few days back, now already want to rebound. the buy on dip strategy seems broadly used by most investors now.
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post Aug 26 2017, 01:44 AM

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nvidia seems struggling to stay above the strong support 164....
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post Sep 1 2017, 03:31 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 31 2017, 11:28 PM)
Hey guys,

Crude hits 46.xx after the storm hits Houston badly. Now it's time jump back in. Continue to play this range: 46.xx to 49.xx.
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you are playing options or ETF?
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post Sep 1 2017, 04:13 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Sep 1 2017, 03:50 AM)
Both...
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Sep 5 2017, 10:38 PM)
Hey guys, it's working... after the nuclear scare on Friday and hurricane in US, crude finally bouncing back.
But, general Market dipping.. could be good opportunity to buy dips.
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ya, buy the dip. but all the dips so far have been too shallow...still wishing to see a 8-10% dip at least, if not my preferable 10-15%. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Sep 5 2017, 11:02 PM)
dow still 21.8k, nothing has corrected! biggrin.gif

well... oil stocks definitely got beaten...

if n korea tension escalates, things will change.

already analysts are talking what stocks will fly or die then! biggrin.gif
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VIX booms 38% biggrin.gif

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