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post Aug 10 2016, 10:41 PM

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here we go. will the bulls keep charging?

U.S. commercial crude inventories rose by 1.1 million barrels to a total of 523.6 million for the week ended Aug 5, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Gasoline stockpiles fell 2.8 million barrels.

Analysts expected the EIA to cite a drawdown of about 1 million barrels each in both domestic crude and gasoline inventories.

The American Petroleum Institute (API), a trade group, issued its own inventory data on Tuesday that showed a build of 2.1 million barrels in crude and a drop of 3.9 million barrels in gasoline.

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Top oil exporter Saudi Arabia boosted its output to a record high in July, it told OPEC, in a sign that key members remain focused on market share rather than tackling a supply glut by curbing production.

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post Aug 10 2016, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 10 2016, 11:03 PM)
Need more "OPEC talk" stories for the bulls to keep moving on despite bearish inventory news.

2 steps forward, 1 step back.. let push forward 44.  biggrin.gif
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this "opec talk" is spouted from the small desperate exporters like venezuela, in very bad shape.

the big opec fellas like saudi and iran won't give 2 hoots but continue to grab market share.

i think it will take another long leg down like to 35-36 before all of them even get serious about freezing production. tongue.gif
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post Aug 11 2016, 01:59 AM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Aug 11 2016, 01:42 AM)
42 still fighting....
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we'll see who's the winner in the next 30 min. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 11 2016, 02:30 AM

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ok, tmrw... 40? devil.gif

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post Aug 11 2016, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Aug 11 2016, 03:36 AM)
quite high chance.... devil.gif
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best wait until fri for rig count.

current conditions are such that it's looking to slide further.

more chartists are now looking at 36. tongue.gif
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post Aug 11 2016, 10:29 AM

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about "opec talks", i thought this guy was candid. laugh.gif


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He said OPEC may not be able to just talk up the price as it has before. "I think they've gone to the well one time too many. They need to do something that will give them cover so they can cheat," he said.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/10/saudi-arabi...s-cut-back.html


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post Aug 11 2016, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 11 2016, 10:59 AM)
What happens to the "significant" buy just reported yesterday?  devil.gif
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/09/oil-is-flas...buy-signal.html
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there were more like that - "overly bearish", "crude and $ to trade up together", etc.

but for every bull report, there is a bear one too.

as readers, we read everything, then decide ourselves.

right now, i am feeling extremely bearish for oil. tongue.gif

then again, i have been wrong many times too. biggrin.gif



the big surprise is the indices keep hitting records.

i never expected goog to hit all time highs almost everyday! laugh.gif

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post Aug 11 2016, 11:10 PM

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just some words, and crude spikes 3%. incredible!


Oil prices rose as much as 3 percent on Thursday after Saudi Arabia's top energy official said producers may discuss taking steps to stabilize prices and as the International Energy Agency the International Energy Agency forecast crude markets would rebalance in the next few months

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post Aug 11 2016, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 11 2016, 11:30 PM)
Yet again.. the mere chatter of "may discuss" - we're seeing the reversal here. 
Eventho we know they may not actually do anything but heck.. it's a just psych effect. brows.gif
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yep, and everyone falls for it. time and again. biggrin.gif

but traders love it, big chance to make big bucks.

today, from low of 41.1 to 43.3 now = 5.3%.

QUOTE(zacknistelrooy @ Aug 11 2016, 11:36 PM)
Yeah, there are a ton of shorts and this may last.
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i last i read, usoil long:shorts = 1.7.

but yes, some shorts now scrambling for cover.
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post Aug 11 2016, 11:56 PM

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dow, s&p, nasdaq all at record highs.

looks like all overvalued... u wonder how much higher can they go.
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post Aug 12 2016, 01:51 AM

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wti looks stable now at 43.50 after a 4.3% spike.

next, we wait to read... "iran says will cooperate at opec meeting" or "iran will not attend opec meeting".

then, another rush... biggrin.gif
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post Aug 12 2016, 02:39 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 12 2016, 01:35 AM)
As long as US Fed delays interest rate hike, I think we'll continue to see higher highs and lower high.. until
the Fed gets tired or impatient and surprise the market, bam... everyone rushes out the exit door.   devil.gif

It is almost like musical chair game.  biggrin.gif
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something to think about...


Stock prices are at record highs, and so is speculation
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/11/investing-s...peculation.html

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post Aug 12 2016, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(zacknistelrooy @ Aug 12 2016, 03:28 AM)
WTI ending the day around 43.30

Tomorrow is going to be interesting as shorts tend to cover going into the weekend but that is not guaranteed.
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what i read, the long:shorts ratio has gone from 1.7 yesterday to 1.15 today.

there was short covering, but now more new shorts; both long and shorts are at record levels - a highly speculative game!

QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 12 2016, 04:13 AM)
I think if they can pump this up to 44, but cannot get above 44.85, then it will likely roll back down.
But, if they keep pumping and goes above $45, well.. likely, it is off to the races again, next target: $49/$50.

Remember? These greedy OPEC guys want oil to get to $60 by next year. Don't fight them.  biggrin.gif
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ya, think so. if it can break thru 44.50 thereabout, likely to continue higher.


we will see tonight - after china data, usa retail sales data, rig count.

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post Aug 12 2016, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(mikehwy @ Aug 12 2016, 09:05 PM)
i am wondering this sudden rise in crude price is real ?
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it's more perception and traders at work, imo.

becos:

.. talked up by ONE saudi guy.
.. iea basically said "glut is over".

true or not... hard to say... or is it? biggrin.gif

then again, even if there is 5 bil bbls excess, people willing to pay increased price, why not?

free enterprise at work! tongue.gif
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QUOTE(zacknistelrooy @ Aug 12 2016, 09:01 PM)
Dollar turns lower after weak U.S retail, inflation data
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i hope this will lower the stock prices!

all 3 indices record high, first time since 1999.

so high that i dare not buy anything! biggrin.gif
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post Aug 12 2016, 11:35 PM

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anyone believe this?! biggrin.gif

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Last time all 3 stock indices broke records, a long tumble came next
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/12/record-high...-came-next.html
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post Aug 13 2016, 01:05 AM

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oil bulls can now take profit after 8% spike in 2 days.

BREAKING: US oil rigs rise by 15 to 396: Baker Hughes


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post Aug 13 2016, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(zacknistelrooy @ Aug 13 2016, 01:08 AM)
Yeah, usually no reaction but this time there is slight move downwards.
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you can see that it was "parked at 44.50 waiting for the report just before 1am.

if rig count was +3 or -3, the bulls would have pushed it to 45 within 5 seconds!

still, i think it will close above 44 tonight.

the force is strong with this one. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 13 2016, 02:38 AM

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impressive... don't play play...

wti wants to break out of 44.50, a tough one.

touch and go.

will see next week.
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post Aug 15 2016, 10:16 PM

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crude price up a lot amidst volatility.

risky to be either bull or bear now...


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