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 USA Stock Discussion v8, Brexit: What happens now?

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post Jul 7 2016, 11:20 PM

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going back to 46.
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post Jul 8 2016, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jul 7 2016, 11:54 PM)
Whew! That's a close call..Lucikly, unloaded the first thing it opens green.
It's crazy... from 48.xx then bam.. straight down to 46.xx
Can't trust this market.   sweat.gif
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out of last 10 weekly api-eia sagas, 8 or 9 had been roller coasters, i.e. eia comes out directly opposite to api.

nice tip!

i went dwti earlier at 73.

still holding, waiting for 2.30am.

i just want to see wti close below 46. tongue.gif

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post Jul 8 2016, 12:24 AM

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no need to wait 2.30am... already 45.88!

45 now looks easy enough...


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post Jul 8 2016, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jul 8 2016, 12:30 AM)
The official job numbers will be out tomorrow. So, it's going to be volatile day again tomorrow.
So, whatever profits you can get, it is best to take some money off the table before the market closes.
Hopefully, Oil can get back up to 46 or 47 in a few hours.
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yep, got my wagyu this time!

wti direction is probably still down but is volatile like mad - chance for trading.
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post Jul 8 2016, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jul 8 2016, 12:46 AM)
27.50 in.... sweat.gif

shit....continue sinking.... sweat.gif
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looks ok to me.

i'm also thinking of jumping into uwti just for 1 night. biggrin.gif
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post Jul 8 2016, 01:14 AM

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sweat.gif sweat.gif
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post Jul 8 2016, 01:20 AM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jul 8 2016, 12:58 AM)
2nd batch queue at 26.50....if hit, that's it. sweat.gif
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i'm with u - that's my price!

looking at the storm, if chance to get out at 2.30am, i will. sweat.gif
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post Jul 8 2016, 02:15 AM

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the fall is too sharp.

haven't seen that in a while.

there should be a reasonable rebound later or tmrw.
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post Jul 8 2016, 02:41 AM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jul 8 2016, 02:37 AM)
25.60 in a little bit.....tonight's overall avg price 27.... sweat.gif
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not looking good, dow -100.

possible the slide will continue.

gotta watch tmrw very carefully.

and there is rig count tmrw too.
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post Jul 8 2016, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jul 8 2016, 08:51 AM)
i see 3 points:
1. some of the opec countries had already peak out their production, ie. saudi. In 2017/2018, they may produce less oil, not strategically but in reality.
2. uk/euro instability may further delays us rate hike, which trigger funds out flow from us. That case, usd will be weaker which is positive for commodities that trades with usd. However, the world's instability also may trigger usd to stay as safe heaven, which even enhance usd's appreciation. 
3. india is the new china which leads demand in next 10 years. Its growth is so far so good.
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my read is a little different, more like dan's.

slacks in opec have been picked up by others. strikes, fires, rebels have also contributed to erratic price spikes but all that is over. and there is iran pumping away as #2; new fields in khazakhstan and gulf of mexico coming onstream. there is simply no shortage of oil on the planet at this time.

brexit effects so far are knee-jerk. more safe haven bonds going negative yields says it all - there will be a significant slowdown in uk and the eu - less demand for oil. china's stockpile is filled to the brim, can't buy much more.

growth in india and others is far from enough to pick the slack in china. india can't grow faster in energy consumption industries because of serious lack of water in the subcontinent.

45-46 is not the bottom. i see it diving below at least one more time, and will not cross 52 this year.

so, i will not hold much oil/energy stocks/etf's for now. will just trade accordingly. the correlation crude-dow is still significant.



tonight, unless dow slides again, there should be a chance for wti to touch 46 again. just don't wait too long to settle uwti! biggrin.gif

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post Jul 8 2016, 02:04 PM

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jobs report at 8.30pm.

futures after 8.30pm will give indication where market will go later.


Friday's employment report is expected to show a rebound to 175,000 nonfarm payrolls, from May's stunningly weak 38,000, according to Thomson Reuters. The June report is expected to include a reversal of the negative impact of the Verizon strike, which bit into May's number and should add about 35,000 workers to the June report.
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post Jul 8 2016, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jul 8 2016, 06:13 PM)
yes, i agree that oil has no shortage, probably at least for the next 5-10 years.
it's just about the question of “where is the bottom", which is a million dollar question. ie. WB thinks 95-100 is Apple's bottom, but many thinks much lower. Anyways, WB made a bad bottom estimation on IBM before, who know.  laugh.gif
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aiyah... wb is not a demi-god, he's only human. like us, who hasn't done time travel into the future. biggrin.gif

where's the bottom? it's futile to try to speculate.

i gave up looking for tops and bottoms for anything long time ago.

just look for reasonable highs and lows.



tonight.. i look for dow +100, wti 46, that's all.

i have a good feeling that i will get a second wagyu steak later. tongue.gif
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post Jul 8 2016, 08:42 PM

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U.S. stock index futures extended gains Friday after the June non-farm payrolls report exceeded expectations with a headline figure of 287,000.

"This is really good news. It's not going to change monetary policy in the near term because we're still unraveling the effects of the (EU) referendum," said Art Hogan, chief market strategist at Wunderlich Securities.
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post Jul 8 2016, 09:47 PM

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goldilocks job report.

dow +14x.

wti... not so good. biggrin.gif

waiting for rig count report, i suppose.
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post Jul 8 2016, 10:51 PM

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jobs report - strong $, crude price drop.

that's what they say now... biggrin.gif
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post Jul 8 2016, 11:11 PM

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financials have a field day today.

tech also good.
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post Jul 9 2016, 01:05 AM

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shale is coming back.

wti gains today will be limited... 0.5%?



BREAKING: US oil rigs rise by 10 to 351: Baker Hughes

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post Jul 9 2016, 01:20 AM

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uwti... i just got out at 26.50.. same as buying price. lost brokerage.

it's been tough in the last 24 hours. biggrin.gif

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post Jul 9 2016, 01:31 AM

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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Jul 9 2016, 01:26 AM)
It can go higher next week...  once the Oil bulls ignore all the BS noise again and claim Inventory level is not that bad.. they will buy buy buy.  tongue.gif

Crude now is lagging but it will catch up with the general market later. Just hope it won't puke first...  laugh.gif
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will go back in if it pukes and goes to 45. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Jul 9 2016, 04:55 AM)
so today oil is a no-action action.  laugh.gif
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ya, anti-climax. laugh.gif

i dumped and went to sleep.

wait next week, see what happens...

QUOTE(old_and_slow @ Jul 9 2016, 10:18 AM)
lose few dollars last night due to buying on market tops (few stocks). cant stop making the same mistakes.... need further conviction /nq or /es breaking ATH
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this kind of "mistake" is in all of us, whatever approach/method applied.

it's simply not possible to buy at low-low and sell high-high.

i bought a few counters 2 days into brexit rout, now holding 4-5% gain.

BUT... that was a huge risk i took when there was so much fear.

brexit could have caused stocks to go down by another 3% or so.

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