Hi every lowyat forumers


I am apparently working on a chinese restaurant. It is quite well and receive good comments from customers. My customer base is more on 80% return customers. I do not know whether should I happy about it or not, i just find that it is quite slow to generate new customer. All the new customers basically recommended by those who dine in before. In conclusion: good food yet slow serving out: the killing point !


For my current situation, there is nothing much to do about due to following:

1. kitchen size constrain which unable us to do much to speed up the process and variety
2. less kitchen staff: including me only 3 kitchen crew doing the cooking
3. implementing the new techiniques with new equipment and input more labour do require additional cost which I do not have extras


With the above mentioned point:

Since that's the case, i was thinking to open up a new shop after accumulating the experience before and here.
New shop will not be chinese food again ( since I am doing it ). However there will be some crossover which some of the dishes I might westernize it !
It is more on a cafe type which serve coffee n food.


This dream could not be accomplished without investor and fellow partners because basically I have insufficient cash in hand. So i pledge those who interested to work together to forge this wonderful dream !


In addition, could you guys what is the most important element which is hard to achieve, yet is crucial for a cafe to survive ?

I am willing to listen to any sifus advice and recommendation.


Thanks in advance.

Pm thanks

How much capital u looking to setup the new restaurant

Details, location, pm? Also do not go westernize/coffeecafe/fusion/hipster just because everyone else is doing it. Most of them fail and those that don't usually makes less than a chinese restaurant. Sometimes its okay to get out of your comfort zone but don't fix whats not broken. If a classic chinese restaurant works, it works.

This post has been edited by Lim Ling Yang: Jun 14 2016, 11:40 PM

initial : looking at 200 - 300k .

Thanks for your reply and your opinion .


Ideally , i wish to setup a cafe which is all day dining kind. Coffee and assorted fizzy drinks. Follow by food item consist of cold and hot. Food wise i think will be depend on the area? location we setup the cafe ( surrounding). utmost important, the marketing need to be carry out constantly to boast the visits.

I believe cafe fail due to lot of reason. The quality of food not suit the audience, the food offering not suit, less offering, trend which fade away, insufficient man power, partner's have conflict, and etc.

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When i first startup the business till now, i understand few things:

1. your food do not need to be master outstanding ( as long as edible, or i should say balance)

2. persistence ( do your best no matter how bad ur business is as beginning, i always remember my first month business real bad but still we are still able to provide fresh stuff. HOw? just sell less, less choice , less quantity as beginning. When material is bad, just throw away! )

3. when the customer love your food, they will love no matter what. For those who do not like your food, no matter how good it is, you still worth nothing. So, just do our best, and lets no regret.

A lot of new setup cafe fail because they do not have persistence and ignore wise comments !
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my business become better and better and now it is. I will consider my situation right now as bottle neck which not much improvement. Hence, this will be the reason why i wish to have another cafe since we have certain knowledge on food and drinks.

i love the idea like you said "Sometimes its okay to get out of your comfort zone but don't fix whats not broken. If a classic chinese restaurant works, it works."

Pm me the details.

kindly provide me your email. once my pdf is done... i will inform you and send it to you.


thanks for your msg by the way.

pm sent.

Hi Pm me please.
Thanks.