Hi,

Between Samsung 850 EVO 240GB and Sandisk Ultra II 240GB, which would be a better option? Sandisk is marginally cheaper than Samsung but not much comparison review out there for this two.

Mainly want to get the best bang for the buck SSD.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Using 850pro for primary disk


Then due to games not enough space to install, recently got a Kingston Savage 480GB brand new sealed from Garage Sales for RM520


You judge the difference. I should have just bought 2 Savage if I knew this earlier. Real life doesn't make any difference at all.

I use Intel, Adata, Apacer, Kingston and so on so forth ....... ..till date all are fast, none died.

Doesn't seem to be that much different

So, it doesn't matter what SSD, most would be useful?

I searched around, Samsung Evo was aroung 450-ish and Sandisk was about 370-ish.

Mainly want to change my current SSD. Would be happy to get somewhat similar performance for as low price as possible

Considering both are TLC SSD, I would go for 850 Evo (2K write cycles as opposed to 1K write cycles in normal TLC)
Intel 535 and Kingston HyperX SSDs are MLC SSDs, so they should give better durability than both above.

For SSD benchmark, look at the 4K IOPS, not sequential.

That's the thing. SSD really cannot tell the difference in real world especially for games and for light users.

Hehe

Hi,

So, it's better to look for MLC based SSD, right? Will give Intel 535 a look, it might be what I'm looking for.

Thank you

Want to pay more, there's TLC.

MLC - best in between all.

SLC - if you die die want to cut cost.

Most drives are MLC i believe.

Oh yeah I forgot to mention I also have Patriot SSD and Colorful SSD. Haha, so many SSD stacking around. So far no dead SSD since 2012.

I see. Then, MLC should be good enough for me

That's quite a number of SSDs

Yeah, I just bought a Lite-on 500GB SSD at a very good price last week. Haven't decided which rig to put that one into.

Here are some of my SSD. https://www.instagram.com/p/BCAehmHI8gG/

Kingston on main work rig so not part of the pic, another Kingston on work laptop. Lite-On (2 weeks ago) and Colorful (Last week) are new so they're not part of the pics yet.

Selection of sata ssd is only necessary if you have specific requirements. Else, any sata ssd is sufficient (for common usage).

Between the two i prefer 850 evo because of longer warranty period.

Ehh, should be the opposite.
SLC = Cost a bomb
TLC = Cut cost

TLC SSDs have been flooding the market. Even Intel, who has been focusing in reliability instead of performance in their value line has switched to TLC in new 540 series in favor of competitive pricing. The popular MLC SSDs left in market are Intel 535 (EOA soon), Kingston HyperX Fury/Savage, Plextor M6/M6Pro, Samsung Pro series and Sandisk Extreme Pro.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Jun 7 2016, 11:58 AM

Prefer Samsung because it c/w cloning software.

Mixed up. Yes you are correct.

There are freewares that can does that too.

so only evo 850 offer 5 years warranty right? any other brand that offer same warranty period?

there's so many good SSDs nowadays.

so if I may, I'd like to ask, which SSDs NOT to get ?

I think so.

You can refer to the list at hardware.fr, http://www.hardware.fr/articles/947-7/ssd.html (not sure if this is the latest but please refer to the latest one; don't forget to visit its conclusion page too)

Like other review sites, just take it with a grain of salt.

In reality, it's hard to say, because there are always exceptions due to various factors. (Eg. Wrong usage; hidden bugs; internal component swaps; production batches; models; etc.) The rule of thumb is to stick to intel, samsung, kingston, sandisk, crucial/micron and plextor/liteon.

How about the warranty?

I think the best bang for the buck would be sandisk ultra 2 because of the nCAche 2.0 technology which is used on tje ssd itself.... eventhough its a tlc flash... it has the boosting technology something using simulation slc for 10gb .... u can try google it around .... in this technology they can reduce the wear on tlc flashes....besides der is many features on this ssd as well as the software support they are offering...maintenance , optimization and stuff ..the benchmark also shows stable speeds... and u can get it for 246 at lazada .... use coupon raya to get rm50 off ..850 evo is quite expensive and u nid to fork out aroubd 400+ for it..... ive js researched about this sandisk ssd and many review calls it as mainstream ssd ..... many users tells good things about d ssd too ..... again google it for more info on it ... i hope my somewhat poor guide might help u out....do correct me if im wrong at some point .....✌

This post has been edited by riderz135: Jun 9 2016, 05:52 PM

Usually TLC SSD has small amount of SLC as cache. Once you copy the data more than the cache size, you will experience slow down as the data is being transferred to TLC itself. Here is where it becomes much much slower than MLC.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Jun 9 2016, 05:55 PM

If you can afford a Samsung 850 Evo, might as well get the Hyper X Savage. The Kingston Hyper X Savage for 240GB is definitely below RM400.
Benefits for Kingston :
1. Convergent as distributor is consider good for after sales service.
2. MLC Toshiba NAND vs TLC Samsung 3D V-NAND
3. Price so much cheaper.

I bought a 480GB version for RM590

that's cheap. sammy 850 evo 500gb is around rm 720

Instead, Samsung SSDs are not cheap to start with.

I thought Samsung used MLC But why is it their TLC more expensive than MLC?

It might be more practical to get the Hyper X Savage 480GB instead price/GB wise. Warranty is 3 years only compared to Samsung's 5 years right?

Bought mine new sealed from garage sales for rm520. Wish i could get another one

For me, SSD is meant to act as a PC booster. Hence, i personally go and buy the Kingston HyperX fury 120GB for about RM17x like that. Seems to be good though, plan to use them for the next 3 years or so until the 480GB or larger capacity prices dropped only go for the bigger SSD capacity.

Also, i was wondering if the SSD is used past their Total Byte Written (TBW) permitted by the manufacturer, will it void the warranty?

for ssd it's either warranty period, or tbw, which ever come first, that invalidates warranty; so yes it will void warranty.

Only the 850 Pro is MLC. 850 Evo is TLC .
Y it is expensive ?
1. Samsung is using 3d v-nand for its 850 series compare to others still using 2d planar nand.
2. 5 years warranty
3. Samsung ssd has high popularity, thts y it is overpriced in m`sia. Overseas 850 Evo is actually one of those best buy bcoz it is very cheap compare to the rest.

what about NVMe SSD's?

are they any good?

Indeed. But IMHO you get what you paid for. Hence the price differences.

This post has been edited by kianweic: Jun 12 2016, 08:03 PM

Thought of buying that
But try to read Intel 750 ssd review, it has a slow boot problem.
Turns me off from buying.

mine boots up pretty fast..its a samsung one.....is about 1-2 second faster than my evo250gb

You can buy two 120GB SSD to combine them into Raid0. The performance will doubled up and better than a single 240GB SSD.

Is it if we use Raid0 to SSD will shorten it expectancy life? im also planning to do like that..but scared if both the ssd will get early death..

Goldfries,what model kingston ssd that u use?so far is it kingston is reliable ssd?

Never heard this before. I've been raid0 with intel 520 120GB + Kingston V300 120GB for my computer but never heard life span will shorten. First time see got ppl say like that.

http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-216...pan-drives.html

I got find this answer from google but everybody think the opposite way "increase lifespan". Actually it does not affect much just combine them 120GB+120GB become 240GB. From the bios setting change from AHCI to RAID mode. Then when computer boot, a screen will comes out then press down CTRL+I to enter RAID settings.

My best choice is select RAID 0 mode.



Most people not aware about "RAID 0" due to their computer knowledge still not reach until advanced level. If you are smart enough, RAID 0 two 120GB SSD is better than a single 240GB. SSD is not HDD, their lifespan is better than HDD. I thought you should misunderstand about decrease lifespan. Before SSD exist in this world, last time we are RAID0 two or more HDD. HDD is not same like SSD, when one of the HDD faulty then the rest HDD will all lost it data. However, SSD is different from HDD. So, why don't you RAID it?

With RAID 0, I can get 1000mb/s reading speed instead of the normal AHCI 500mb/s reading speed.

This post has been edited by junclj: Jun 17 2016, 11:17 AM

ok..that clear my doubt..so Raid 0 can be use with different brand of SSD? is there any problem using different ssd to do raid? I plan to use sandisk ultra ii with Kingston hyperx fury 240gb both..

This post has been edited by archangel1989: Jun 17 2016, 11:11 AM

Yes, you can use different brand as long as both SSD are 240GB. You can get 480GB at double reading speed.

Raid0 won't hurt or help its life expectancy if you mean write endurance.

SSD generally have a much shorter life expectancy(write endurance) compared to harddrives. The typical consumer tlc/mlc ssd is only spec'd for about 1+ years workload of a consumer harddrive. But then the typical home/business user will never wear out an ssd anyway if they mostly game and run office software.

Anyone tried the KINGSTON UV400 yet? Seems to be a more affordable choice, and people say that it isn't as fast as Samsung, but I don't really understand the reviews. Is the speed significantly slower?

*I'm asking because I'm still looking to swap my laptop hdd for an SSD

I didn't see 'everybody' thinking that raid0 increases lifespan. Just one single poster whose response can be misunderstood - which you did misunderstand. To make it simple for you, raid0 of 2 smaller ssds will not increase longevity over a single bigger ssd.

And the last poster in that thread pointed out- "The effect of RAID0 to failure rates is not simple addition. RAID0 on SSD's in particular accelerates failure rates well beyond normal operation.
It also has very little real world performance impact outside of synthetic sequential benchmarks.
RAID0 for SSD's is almost never preferable over 1 SSD of the combined size.
The implications are radically different for RAID0 on an SSD VS on hard drives in reliability and performance."

I don't think raid0 accelerates failure rates but its true that real world performance for typical end users aren't greatly improved. Probably because real world tasks aren't mostly sequential read operations, aren't intensive enough, and limitations on the sata6gb interface to a lesser extent.

I've talked about your faulty comments about ssd/hdd lifespan earlier and in my post above this. Raid0 will double the risk of failure whether you are using 2 ssds or hdds (so ssds are not different from hdds).

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JUst got my Samsung 850 Evo to replace my ocz agility 3 240. Vast performance improvement. my w10 load abt 30 sec from ocz minute n half. Better still come with migration tool to move my window 10 sys disk.