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 Fixed Deposit Rates In Malaysia V. No.13, Strictly for FD Discussion Only

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post Jun 2 2016, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Jun 2 2016, 05:17 PM)
My SCB FD matures on Sunday and the next day Monday is a public holiday. How do I go about this to get the interest for the 2 days?
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QUOTE(twinkle5129 @ Jun 2 2016, 05:32 PM)
I was about to ask the same question as my HLB FD due on 6/7 and it'll be 2 days Hari Raya PH. Presumably bank will reopen on 8/7.
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I know SCB not paying interest if maturity fall on non business day.
Try ask the bank if they can allow the change of maturity instruction to credit principal and interest to CASA. If the FD amount is within the IBFT limit la.
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post Jun 4 2016, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(okuribito @ Jun 4 2016, 09:15 AM)
thanks man ... i certainly missed out a lot hahahaha but it's all good lah. I just moved to HLB 4.3 % for 6 mths just so i got flexibility if bnm & or local banks decide to offer higher rates after yellen does her thing in 2 weeks. I'm thinking also if rates do go up, i'll just not rollover some pbb 6+6s ie pull out after the 1st 6 lah

see how & keep fingers crossed  unsure.gif
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Bro, for temporary parking, PBB offers 5%+0.6%=5.6% in its basic savings account from now till 31st July 2016.
Minimum is Rm250k and max is RM300k.
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post Jun 9 2016, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(hurtedheart @ Jun 8 2016, 08:43 PM)
I called the call centre for definition of fresh fund. Accordingly, fresh fund could be a source of fund from our maybank saving / current account, even the fund is uplifted from our existing EFD and placed into this promo FD. The only thing is do not uplift today and place it today. Have to wait after 1 or 2 days.
Although this was what explained by the CS, I am still doubtful especially when I probe the CS that uplift of existing Efd in Maybank to savings account and subsequently (not same day) place it under 12 months conventional Efd is defined as fresh fund.
Anybody can confirm on this?
In addition, is there anyway to check what is the rate we having? Like in those certificate FD, the rate is clearly stated.
This one is like unless till end of the 12th month, you never know whether you get 4.27%. But then if till end of the 12th month only know not getting 4.27%, then wasted the effort now, isn't it?
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Fresh fund by its simple definition means funds from other banks. Each bank has its own fresh fund guidelines and bank's front liners are guided by the general guidelines. Since the guidelines are executed manually by human discretions then the definition of fresh fund becomes discretionary and it varies among banks, bank branches, bank staff and depositors.
I dont think banks are willing spend tens of thousands rm to intall a program just to allow system to auto check fresh fund and putting tremendous pressure to system computing resources just to run 24/7 to detect fresh fund from all types of deposit accounts.

For the step up FD rate, just download the promo TnC and keep it with you in case of discrepancy in the future.
As you can see some forumers here having discrepancy with Maybank GIA 12months step up rates, a black and white promo TnC can come in handy.
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post Jun 29 2016, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(VinceCheong @ Jun 29 2016, 06:17 PM)
What I don't understand is, what if the FD with 1-mth tenures, have been there renewed automatically for a year... So should it or should it not be eligible?
https://www.pbebank.com/pdf/Banking/pbeFD001eng.aspx
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Only the latest 1 month FD renewal will not get interest.
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post Jul 1 2016, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(Deal Hunter @ Jun 30 2016, 06:04 PM)
The story illustrates the question of good days since people did not understand that the main idea was to avoid bad days at the end of the month. This is becuz somebody got the wrong idea that I was talking about specific good days, wanted to know why I am not answering clearly whether there was such a thing as a good day. The answer is:-  Depends on which date, how long, when the step rates change following your effective date and the maturity date. Is it relevant? Yes and No, depending on how efficient holding funds are handled.  Most times the required principal will take some time to be collected into some temporary holding place like Maybank GIA-i or in very short term instruments, so the loss is minimised. This is what is considered sweep and scrape. Not withdraw the money and keep in a bag to carry to the bank on an extra good day.

The story is useful only for kiasu people and high net worth individuals. However, if funds just happen to be available then, it is up to the individual to calculate whether it makes sense to wait. For most depositors, their promo amounts will be at least 10k or about 500 time less than in the story and so the amount is small and not worth bothering about. The question of losing money while waiting is simply becuz the money is not properly kept in a higher yielding place or there are no fresh income flow.

Think of the future and how many promos you will miss out if you do not adjust your maturity dates to earlier in the month. Don't think short term, don't think about reacting to now. Be pro active and put your house in order.
Start with making sure your new placements are scheduled earlier in the month. Do not wait, any date before last week of the month is okay and good.
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Thanks for sharing.
These are my opinions.
1) When FD interest rate is trending downward, it's best to lock in immediately whenever fund is available. The promo rate is likely to end anytime without notice regardless of "good days" or "bad days" when quota reached. Nowadays, one rarely see better then previous month FD rate upon entering a new calendar month, so holding on to the next beginning of the month is unnecessary.
2) For HNWIs, they would have spread out funds in every banks. To micro manage the funds back and forth FD > MBB GIA > FD in order to minimize interest loss while holding the fund till the next calendar month is technically not feasible. HNWI's amount exceeds online IBG limit anytime, OTC between banks is a waste of HNWI's executive time, more so must OTC only in the morning peak hours otherwise be prepared to lose 1 day interest, hence becomes penny wise, pound foolish.
3) If FD rate is trending upward, you do have a point though.

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post Jul 2 2016, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(Deal Hunter @ Jul 1 2016, 11:23 PM)
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This is the usual problems faced by normal people due to the way banks operate now. This is the old fashion way to do things. Long ago already worked out solution but never tell people. There is a way to transfer big amounts cheap, fast and easy. It is explained in my post Jul 1 2016, 12:38 PM about how I do it. You can also set up your own system if you need to. That MBB eGIA-i thing is eFD so never go there again. Last time like office boy, jalan here and there. Now use internet. You can even instruct bank to do FD without going there and you jalan, sign and pickup printed cert without waiting later at your convenience. If big customer, Bank Rakyat will even come to house/office to do FD things for HNWI.

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good points esp number 2. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif transfer limit 10k, 30k, 50k per day depending on banks. lose interest if got to transfer few times/days.

Usually you can adjust the normal default transfer limit on the ATM or internet much higher. If scared, can readjust back down to lowest value which is the default transfer limit after you done your big transfers. If got check account even easier for gigantic amounts.
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So, I re-quote your post on Jul 1 12:38pm
QUOTE(Deal Hunter @ Jul 1 2016, 12:38 PM)
Maybank has been around for some time and had introduced new types of accounts over the years. Sometimes there is some aspect in a new account that is supposed to be better (well at least according to the staff), so ended up with more accounts.
These accounts can be linked together with the advantage of free instant transfer of any amount within the own accounts. Luckily, I had not bothered to terminate the not so attractive accounts while I tested out the claims of the superiority of the new account.
Hence, bigger sums beyond the transfer limit can be transfered cheaply, instantly and conveniently to other banks by first transferring to the Maybank accounts and then IBFT out to the target bank where you need a SA or CA. All these can be done at your internet connection. For promos, inconveniently, still need to go to the bank to place the FD. This is good enuf as long as our total transfer daily limit of all the accounts is adequate for the placement. Otherwise have to do it another day to add on.
The other way is to write a personal cheque in your name after transferring to the current account for the big sum. This cost a bit more, but there is flexibility in case you need to change bank. This will do for most banks as FD cert issued valid subject to cheque clearing, except some odd cases - effective date still on day of placement, but come back for cert after cheque clearing, or worst case - effective on clearing and collect then.
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I have to agree with cybpsych that your wall of text above is very vague indeed. let's just pick a small part (the bold part) to clarify with you further. Can you explain in detail the method that you used in order to get around the Maybank RM30k daily IBFT limit?
Assuming you want to IBFT RM200k matured FD from PBB to MBB GIA in order to hold until a "good FD placement days", then IBFT RM200k again from MBB GIA to Affin Bank for 4.5% FD placement, instantly, cheaply and conveniently.
Thank you.
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post Jul 2 2016, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(Deal Hunter @ Jul 2 2016, 09:50 PM)
Just replying you, though maybe considered off topic by thread owner Ah Siang as it is NOT FD FACTS, but sharing how to work around things in bank transfers and FD operations.

I assume you are familiar with Maybank M2u top transfer limit is only 30k to accounts outside Maybank. Say you have 210k in eGIA-i but at 7 placements of 30k each. You can uplift 30k with interest to each of the 7 accounts for IBFT out a total of 210k. Alternatively, if not already set-up like this, you need to uplift whatever into one of the accounts, and then use Own accounts transfer to shift 30 k into the various accounts (unlimited amount between Own Linked accounts). This method is adequate for most of us.

You can do it even cheaper using IBG if can get up to do it. IBG before 5 am - arrive by 11am. IBG 5-8 am - arrive by 2 pm.

Maybank introduced and promoted many different type of accounts, and I was attracted to open quite a number over many years. Later I realised that each of those accounts could be used for IBFT transfers whenever it was confirmed by the bank that the FD can be placed.

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Are you saying if one has 7 different type of MBB CASAs linked in ONE (1) Maybank2u login, one can IBG/IBFT RM30K out from each type of MBB CASA (RM30k x 7 times) within the same day via the same Maybank2U login?
Have you done it before?

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post Jul 4 2016, 09:27 AM

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FD and fund transfer are inseparable, without fund transfer, no FD musical chair game to play, without FD musical chair game, no LYN FD thread.
If the discussion of fund transfer is related to FD transactions, I don't think it is off topic.
If the discussion of fund transfer is related to business transactions, online shopping, payments, remittance etc, then I would regard it as off topic and should be discussed in a dedicated fund transfer thread.
FD fund transfer was discussed at length in the past threads, sharing of effective fund transfer methods helps improve FD effective yield and fulfill fresh fund requirement. It's a value add discussion to the FD thread.

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QUOTE(Deal Hunter @ Jul 3 2016, 09:36 AM)
6) The maximum you can transfer in any day is the sum of all the transfer limits you set for each live account subject to adequate funds.

To transfer 210,000 only need 11x7 = 77 sen cost for IBG but 53x7 = RM 3.71 for IBFT. For me, IBG is good enuf because I will only show up at the bank just near 11 am or at 2 pm on the same day to do paper work for the FD.

Different banks may work differently as there is no standard.
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QUOTE(Deal Hunter @ Jul 3 2016, 12:08 PM)
The limit for each account does not change up from say 50 k to 200k if you have 4 accounts. Do you understand that you have to transfer 50 k each from each account, meaning 4 transactions and not 1 giant IBG/IBFT transaction.
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Deal Hunter, Maybank2U inter bank giro RM30k daily fund transfer limit is based on per login ID.
To IBG /IBFT RM30k each from several linked/tagged accounts respectively within the same day and under the same login ID in an attempt exceed the daily 30k limit wouldn't work. The maximum limit you can IBG under one M2U login ID is RM30k per day. But I'm happy if you can prove me wrong with your method.
HNWI's money is scatted in several banks, they easily have few online banking accounts with different banks. Combining the IBG/IBFT daily limit of several banks then IBG/IFBT from each bank to form a large combined sum to a target bank within a day is the only way to do it at home without OTC.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jul 4 2016, 01:53 PM)
Experienced with one bank separate IBG and IBFT limit one, so totally combined limit can be transferred become 50K+30K.
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Great info! mind sharing which bank is it?
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post Jul 6 2016, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(ftan @ Jul 6 2016, 10:14 AM)
Please check the t&c for al Rahji fd. The last fd I put, they require me to uplift exactly on the same day of maturity. Else there will be a  1% penalty if you plan to uplift few days later. Not a problem if you monitor diligently.

Other than that no issue with this bank as not many ppl and hence service is better.
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First time I come across such withdrawal policy. It is extremely unreasonable and downright stupid unless the offer rate is 5% or higher.

QUOTE(Deal Hunter @ Jul 6 2016, 10:26 AM)
Please refer to cherroy post July 4, 2016, 01:53 PM. She also did it. Why can't you?

Each bank has its own product range and their own rules. Frankly some banks are better, and some a lot worse. You can read it from the complaints. Please ask your bank what you can do and cannot do. If the answer is not so nice, you can change to a better bank.

Not all banks systems  are the same, some are more stringent and may impose more restrictions. That is the banks right - that is why I stated you need to understand your bank. It is not that it is faulty or excuses, it was made like that for my  bank.

Things can be delayed because sometimes the TAC only arrives later, that is why it is not advisable to do things in one login session, by which time the security aspect may already disconnect your login.

FYI, I was also in the computer field and one of the pioneers of computerisation in Malaysia before my retirement. I am more than qualified from work experience to speak about  computer staff and so called top foreign and local  experts and consultants, computer systems and their running. Usually there is some kind of need to go thru various servers and different storage devices.  But I was not in the banking line.
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Sir,

After vetting through all your lengthy posts, I'm still unable to grasp the fund transfer technique that you were trying to share in this forum. Earlier, you mentioned that by IBG/IBFT maximum daily limit saperately on each multiple linked/tagged accounts respectively, you're able to bypass Maybank2U RM30k daily IBG/IBFT limit per login ID.
Can you explain it in detail ? Just talk about Maybank2u specifically.
Assuming one needs to IBF/IBFT RM60k from MBB to Affin within a day using one M2U login ID. Also assume that the M2U account is free from 10 points problems mentioned in your post#815.
By the way, what Cherroy mentioned was that a foreign bank has a saperate IBG and IBFT daily limit, it's totally different from how you managed to work around the Maybank2U combined 30k IBG/IBFT daily limit.
Thank you.

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QUOTE(Deal Hunter @ Jul 2 2016, 05:34 PM)
Tip- If OK, place FD Friday 9 September 2016 using high interest bearing cheque account. Extra from account and from more interest paying days. Only for those interested in getting more money using FD.
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Some of your tips are very old, obsolete and misleading. With the implementation of CTCS and eSPICK 7 or 8 years ago, any chq presented to the bank before cut off time will be processed and debited from your account on the same day. Any FD placement chq presented after the bank's same day processing cut off time, the bank will date the FD commencement on the next business day.
There is no way to "cheat" the 2 days weekend from the CTCS and eSPICK member banks now, except MBSB.
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QUOTE(Deal Hunter @ Jul 10 2016, 03:36 PM)
Things are supposed to work better, faster in general but sometimes it turns out slower than promised. It is just your luck how efficient the bank process your cheque, or whether they held back for some reason like verification or checking background of customer (see posts on Bangkok Bank). Normally can see when the cheque is cleared - sometimes the charge and gst first, sometimes later on the internet banking.
Once, Ambank at Medan Pasar offered a good rate which I immediately  took unprepared. They were so fast like you said, they already processed the cheque even when I told them I was going over to Maybank nearby  to transfer the money to my ordinary cheque acct which they say no problem. I could see that my transfer came later to cover back in both the internet and paper statement later than the debit for the cheque. Not many banks are so efficient or maybe it is because they want to rush it as it was nearing their cutoff time, besides not having a crowd, and I asked them whether they can do it if I write a chq, rush over to Maybank and come back to collect the FD cert. The human factor is what is meant by creating your own luck like hoping that the bank does not operate at normal speed before holidays. It is OK to praise a bank like Ambank, but should not mention banks that are slower especially when I am not complaining.
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Those are old stories from your era. Today, if your chq is scanned and validated before the cut off time by the teller, that's it, eSPICK takes over, bank teller issue you a FD receipt dated today and your account debited tonight. Even if you managed to sneak into the bank the very last minute on a Friday afternoon before the Jaga close the door, by the time your q number is called and your chq validated after the "same day processing" cut off time, the teller will simply issue you a next business day FD receipt.
Human efficiency factor, luck and whatnot in this regard are so yesteryear and rare now. There is no way to outsmart the bank two days interest with your "chq deposit on Friday + low staff efficiency + luck" technique in the modern day chq clearing system.

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QUOTE(bbgoat @ Jul 12 2016, 08:01 PM)
Did online termination for last week matured OCBC FD. But daily transfer limit max 10k, have to transfer out few times !  doh.gif

Why can't OCBC increase it to 50k like some other banks !  hmm.gif
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Didn't try Deal Hunter's tip to bypass bank's daily IBG limit ? See boleh pakai or not ? tongue.gif

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Affin Taman Kinrara also pull out the 4.5% today.
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Damn ! Just found out RHB OTC IGB per transaction limit is RM100k only.
The teller suggested me to use RENTAS instead as the cost of one RENTAS transaction is cheaper then multiple OTC IGB transactions and faster fund transfer.

Since I walked pass few banks this morning, I went in to ask about FD rates:
1. RHB - All board rate
2. BSN - All board rate
3. Alliance - All board rate, except 3mth 4.00%
4. UOB - All board rate
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QUOTE(Warfare08 @ Jul 14 2016, 03:15 PM)
Just to share - called my RM in Alrahji branch - PJ new town,

50k - 4.05%
200k - 4.15%

12 months tenure
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Just placed 4.4%. Today last day.
The rates you posted takes effects tomorrow.
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QUOTE(Warfare08 @ Jul 14 2016, 03:58 PM)
Thanks for the info, but I don't think I can make it for today sad.gif
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Actually, supposed to end yesterday but they extend it one more day.

QUOTE(David3700 @ Jul 14 2016, 03:59 PM)
Naik the boat at the very last minutes. You will be enjoying looking at the slip which printed 4.4% as this will become history..... bye.gif
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Who knows, there might be Merdeka FD promotion.

By the way, OCBC also no more promo rate. All board rates. So I parked my car at OCBC reserved parking bay but walk over to Al Rajhi to place FD. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(days @ Jul 15 2016, 01:45 AM)
hi, a little help, please. i'm sorry but i don't really understand these things. i'd like to check about fds at bsn. i opened one a few months ago when they had their promotional rate. is it still considered "locked in" or will the rates be revised? (i read about bsn not being pidm protected, don't know what that means  sweat.gif, and on the first page of this thread it says islamic banks' profit rates can't be guaranteed?  rclxub.gif  ) sorry, if this is confusing, as i don't know enough to ask it better. hope it makes sense. thanks a lot!
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1. Fixed deposit is, bank promise you a fixed rate and you promise the bank a fixed placement tenure. The FD receipt is the agreement. If bank can suka suka change a fixed rate, then you don't call it a fixed deposit already.
2. All deposits with BSN are Dijamin Oleh Kerajaan. A sovereign guarantee is far more superior then the PIDM with limited RM250k threshold.

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QUOTE(cybpsych @ Jul 17 2016, 07:20 AM)
maybank gia dropped to 3.75℅
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I guess all the existing placement with be effected immediately since profit is never promised?

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