price drop can only do us consumers good, right?
at the moment, if i had 1500, i am more inlcined to top up 50 and buy the mi 5
if i had 3200, i am more inclined to buy me a note 7...
(considered only prices before any discount)

agree completely, for each their own
i prefer my phones to be smallish (max 5.2") - and yes I carry two phones everyday
the biggest i can consider would be the note series, but that is only because it has the pen (i'm a sucker for digital pens)... otherwise, it would be a stretch for me to accept even 5.5" phone
hence, i am looking more to ZE520 vs Mi 5
well... that, and the fact that i cannot afford to consider Note 7 vs ZF3 deluxe

Me to waant to know. Admittedly though, since it's currently out of my budget, I haven't been active in the note 7 thread.
So maybe can share the link? So as not to derail this thread become note 7 thread...

well... after looking at some reviews of phones on SD625 (including this version of ZF3), it seems that many would agree the SOC is much better in battery use. especially if compared with the dreaded (in terms of battery life) Intel Atom.
The C7 was reviewed by GSMArena. While it has 3.3Ah battery, the screen is 5.7 in 1080p - bigger than ZF3 ZE520KL's 5.2 in 1080p unit.
CNET reviewd the ZE520KL and gave a 10 (out of 10!!!) score for its battery life.
Hardwarezone reviewed the ZE552KL and remarked "Long battery life" in its summary/conclusion
AndroidPolice reviewed the 552 and remarked battery life is great while in the comments section the reviewer made a statement of 6hrs SOT with 40% remaining
IndianExpress (yes, I go to any website google throw at me) remarked that the 552KL has good battery life at the start of the review (I mean, rather than starting at whatever good aspects it may have, they chose to highlight the battery life first) and that it lasted a day and a half of usage.

It would be interesting to find this SOC in better screen tech and higher battery capacity.

well, we'd be forgiven to assume that, since it is the most discernible difference with prior SOCs (615, 616, 617).

I've complained about it (the sd 821 version) being more expensive than note 7, and not the standard deluxe.
I think that sd821/6/256 is still not worth more than note 7,with its better screen, water resistant, stylus and better camera. Not yet sure if both have equal sensors inside, but I'm more inclined to believe the note will have more (barometer, heart rate, etc)
Also, I'm considering the accessories you can find, between note 7 and zf3d, I'm sure note7 will have more support / options.
In shorts, you get (much) more with note 7 than you will with the zf3d-821

so, basically it means that you use your phone actively for 9-10 hrs. whether it's playing games, surfing /k, watching videos, social networking... etc.
however mileage will vary as each activity consume battery differently. surfing the web on wifi is different than on mobile data, with wifi tend to be more efficient. watching movie, especially those full of dark scenes, will also tend to be lower consumption than mobile surfing (usually web pages have white background)... these are not always the case though, as physical technology (screen, modem, SOC, etc.) can make the consumption rate differ also...

very true. but if we compare the same usage (i.e. the same user to do the comparison), then we might get a better idea.

for example, i use my Xperia SP and got around 2 - 3.5 hrs SOT before it hits 20% - then change to Asus ZF5 and got about 2 - 3 hrs SOT - then change to Acer e700 got about 4 - 5 hrs SOT, and last to Lenovo VibeShot, around 3 - 4 hrs SOT. my typical usage pattern has not changed much (since i dont play games). So for me, I can gauge the battery strength of these phones based on my usage and can say that Vibeshot is 1.5 - 2x better than Xperia SP...

something like that... (I always find myself unable to explain my thoughts clearly)

I guess what I'm trying to say here is, we'd get a better picture if the user gives a comparison with another phone (s)he's used - and especially if that other phone is one we have used before.

Thanks bro
Very informative this way...
I didn't mean to criticize, though

This post has been edited by abu.shofwan: Sep 1 2016, 05:15 PM

Some RAM would be allocated to GPU, and would not show up in info screen such as this.
My vibe shot (used for this reply) is showing 2.8 out of 3GB.

Actually I was wondering when you said the axon performance was beaten by zf3u. Is the sd820 in Axon actually the down clocked version (such as in mi 5 32gb)?
Perhaps you can confirm its frequency in Axon?

SD615 is used in the Zenfone max 2016 refresh (not zfm 3, but part of the original zfm series). currently all available info point to zfm3 having MTK soc.

Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say they are "not honest" - since they did say the ZF3M uses the MTK soc in their website.


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64gb for me is enough to run without sd card expansion. I mean, I will probably not get sd card and use dual sim instead.

But I can understand why some people would still need expansion. And if they need dual sim at the same time, then it's a problem.

On cloud storage, let's not forget that the free version of Dropbox gets you 2gb++ while drive is limited to 15gb... Unless you pay for it...

This is why I don't do cloud backup. I will take my chances with manual backup (by copying to a hdd via cable connection with pc)

Well, there are people who offers services to increase the standard free storage quota. But that should be a separate thread (search and you will find)... And anyway, the max free quota is limited - no way it can rival the paid quota...

So what's the difference eh?
I mean with zf3 5.5 (non deluxe)

Still too expensive to my liking.

Well, if you "look down" price-wise you will find quite a few SD820 phones... You can even find SD821 phone (mi 5S anyone?) lower than that. So it begs the question, why Asus... Why?

IMO, if intel hadn't stopped supplying atom soc this time around, we would have seen ZF3 with intel in it. may be Asus would have gone with Snapdragon SOCs anyway, but i think they would still have ZF3 versions with intel.