I've been in the advertising industry for a year plus, and I bloody hate it. So I decided to change career paths (I'm 23) and taking International Baccalaureate Diploma Program and fast-track myself to a UK-based law degree.

But I keep dengar that Malaysia is saturated with lawyers, and banyak lawyers end up with different jobs. So apa citer, susah ke nak jadi loya in Malaysia?

Whatever you have, lay it on me.

EDIT: Sorry, forgot to mention UK Transfer Law Programmes. Any difference between this and a normal LLB? UKT programmes seem to be faster, but any disadvantages?

This post has been edited by dejoker93: May 29 2016, 01:12 AM

Useless. But it would be useful when you planned to migrate to Australia or UK in the future.

bearbearwong

seifralmacy

becoming a lawyer now in Malaysia means to become another person to share in a pie that does not expand in size for god knows how long

Knowledge wise-yes...
Practicality-i think you need to take malaysian based paper to make u qualify to practice in malaysia...
Join gomen la...fill spa with all legal, law, ptd...pegawai imigresen la..kastam la...u might want to join industry with the international law...bank for example as legal advisor, amla officer but of course u still need to take malaysian law paper too...
Most of the law come from british and american but in malaysia, we accustomed it to fit the local needs and environment...

Maybe can summon established lawyer in /k

still better than a US degree..

ni mesti BAC punya standard. low keras

I'm entering my third year of LLB (Lond.). I'm just gonna park here and see everyone making inaccurate statements.

This post has been edited by KuzumiTaiga: May 28 2016, 11:24 PM

Common law,,ofc

Explain la abam...someone needs help...and we at /k can top up our knowledge too

account exec? or creative? why hate it?

Creative team, writer.

It's a real dog eat dog world, but then again, what isn't?

Everyone suka tikam belakang.

One moment you're exchanging kisses and sleeping with them, the next they tikam you in the back. what the actual fucuk.

deii you have to take CLP to be eligible to do chambering... and to qualify for CLP you need to get at least lower 2nd class .. and make sure you double check if your deg is recognise or not... BTW they will change the CLP system soon

i think you need to take CLP after finish study...
no problem to be a lawyer..

This post has been edited by kapalterbang_737: May 29 2016, 12:42 AM

Waste your time and money lah. Apparently only syariah law is important now.

doing clp now with a 2:2 uol llb with a full time job.

susah?
40% clp pass rate.
if u did 1st year of your llb and feel like damn, why so difficult and so burdensome with all the case law and statute and articles and judges comment and dissenting and assenting judgement and law report and amendment of new act and hanzard and law gazette comment.

then clp is like 10 times of your 1st year llb which only need to pass 4x40 compulsory subjects.
imagine that.

work prospects?
thanks to those exempted CLP Uni, especially UITM and MMU, the field is congested with half pass six lawyers who tend to do only conveyancing. Litigation lawyers still kind of in demand.

syariah coming too, so expect to learn a few about hudud and syariah law.
plus point recent decision from KL high court, non muslim can practice islamic law.
but who know how long it last, u know, malaysian racist based govt, especially those in prime minister dept, are full blunt bullshitter.

anyhow. welcome.
from
beloved K/

The LLB would just a be another degree and you don't have to practise if don't feel like it. Only about half of those graduated end up practising whilst other became journalist @ TheStar, lecturer, insurance and others non related.
What is your first degree may I ask.

I was sort of an idiot when I was 18, took a 3 year diploma in Multimedia Design. Then, 1 year full time job. While I did enjoy the work, I hated the environment. Memang not worth it. I minat law last time, but idiotic 18-year-old-me memang bodoh.

I'm looking at UK Transfer Programmes, not sure what's the difference with normal 3-year LLBs. Diluted syllabus? Please elaborate.

So you would say the CLP-exempted unis saturated the market with useless lawyers la?

btw, very interested in criminal law and the up and coming IT law (cyber law)

You WM? Come back MY stay in WM but can't practice in em. Want practice in swk? Have to intern 6 months. Want practice in Sabah? Have to intern 6 months.

This post has been edited by itanium: May 29 2016, 01:23 AM

most of my lawyer wannabe frens quit during CLP / pupilage. they realised that being a lawyer was not their cup of tea then... but mostly still in the legal line... legal officers / contract officers, some even be CoSec...

most of my lawyer wannabe frens quit during CLP / pupilage. they realised that being a lawyer was not their cup of tea then... but mostly still in the legal line... legal officers / contract officers, some even be CoSec...

Sorry, I graduated a long time ago. Unable to advise on that. To me, the LLB just a another degree, so I took up MBA and didn't look back since.
I didn't practice. The chambering pay was quite shocking to me.
Anyway, good luck to you.

why malaysia when you have singapore?

To be a lawyer via the UKT route, firstly you need to have at least a 2.2 in your degree which isn't that hard if you do put in the leg work. After that you'll be doing your CLP or BPTC where neither is easy. One has a passing rate of about 15-20% excluding conditional passes (total is about 35-40%) where as the other costs about RM150k for tuition, living expenses etc (highly depending on location and currency exchange) which is also not that easy to pass.

After that you'll have to find a pupillage spot for 9 months and after that you're a lawyer. Practicing law is basically divided into 4 main categories, civil litigation (going to court), criminal litigation, corporate and conveyancing.culture. As to how hard it is going to be, it's highly dependant on the firm's culture.

So what if you don't want to practice law after you've become a lawyer, well you have the option of in-house (something like legal department in companies), work in a bank, company secretary, insurance underwriting/claims/loss adjuster. Pretty sure there are other options as well.

very useful.

UK degree + CLP

2 friends passed them, one is a lawyer now. his hearing was early this year.

another one doing CFA, chambering right after the exam. early june iinm.

double posted

This post has been edited by wong6516: May 29 2016, 02:24 AM

if u have sufficient money to do UKT, do it and if possible, take bar in UK and NEVER LOOK BACK. as in never come back malaysia.
3 years LLB for UKT like northumbia/queensmary could be slightly easier than external UOL. Their 2 years in malaysia will be having their exam scripts marked by their own lecturer and their attendance and course works do count towards the aggregate marks.

otherwise if you are doing external uol, your marks is solely based on one time exam which laid on may of each year. Pros is you can work and study, need no attend class, after all, your result will be dictate by one time exam. Cons is, anything u know, anything u write in the paper dictate your pass or fail and it will marked by 3 examiner in 3 different countries. The pass rate of certain subjects are too low.

plus, if you are ukt, you can get 3rd class and come back CLP.

Yes, of course it is my opinion, maybe i am biased maybe i am not. Even i may not passed my clp yet, i had worked in 3 different law firms in two different state. i could observe the difference, especially in the deficiency of language use. However, they are of course had their better in sight in malaysia law and also their ability to do BM-BI translation. As all senior litigation lawyer mostly graduated from UK/AUS/NZ so their BM sucks, but lower court in malaysia need BM and also those documents from govt need translation.

ok, but criminal law is malaysia is not what you perceive i guess. in short, you defend for rich and mostly drug lord or real criminal. else go join AG.
IT law? evidential part or proprietary part. IT law is not compulsory subjects. It is just nitch market and nitch field and i doubt malaysia has firms major in this.

This post has been edited by wong6516: May 29 2016, 02:25 AM

too many fresie and nobody want to train/hired freshie

there's some even end up flip burger

from ad background as well, thou my exp only relates to being an intern as an acc exec. but yea the ad industry very competitive, especially creative becoz who doesnt want to work for the best agency right.

The good things about law difference in malaysia compare with england is, u are both solicitor and barrister.

U can easily get pay cheqie ofRM 15k from any established law firm, which also mean risk free since u are employed.

If u have ur own law firm, don't worry, RM 50k per month is just a blink of eye.

Take the american CFA exam is even more valuable...recognized all over the world

Anyone if survivvw all 3 levels exam are highly attractive to employers

CFA = chartered financial adviser.... better than EMBA or MBA...

If finishw CFA all 3 levels.... starting salary is usd2 M guaranteed....

Hehe, i beg to defer. you are really giving too high expectation here for not mentioned the amount of small law firms that are barely making the cut.. Nyawa nyawa ikan. And hey to get 15k permonth, you might need close to 10years of experience. For a fresh grad, realistic expectation is around 2-3k

Small firm yes

Big firms like getting spa contracts one shot be banks panel many big projects

One criminal case u take can easily get u min 100k. But what to do with 100k nowadays. But if u dont hv experience for at least 7 yrs forget bout it

Same goes to drug case

Uitm and mmu lical u... i loled hard

I don't think it's the right question to ask bro.

You already did a degree in something you don't really have a passion for.
Now regret.

The main question for you to ask is if you really minat law.

If tak minat, you die die do also no use.
You will find that you want to go back to media. Or change course again.

It's about making a decision and owning up to it, making the best out of your position.

The question of whether it is useful or not largely depends on yourself.

If you ask the half past six law graduates who can't get jobs in top firms or a decent paying company...
They will tell you stories la. Law is saturated with ppl... it's so hard... hard to get first class.. hard to find big pay check... the gomen.. the quota... etc.
Everyone else is to be blamed but themselves.

True, it may be hard. There's no denying that.
But how tough it is is subject to how tough you are.

If you slog it out for 4 years including bar/CLP and do the fucuking best you can to achieve the best.
It's worth it.

I know people who come out to practice at 26-27 because they failed CLP 3 times.
No shame in that.

But if you pass all one shot, and get good grades. The legal world is your oyster. In this field, yes, results are important for you to get into the top firms.

About the pay...

I know first year lawyers (after pupilage) some earning 3k, some earning 6k.
So it really depends on how good and how lucky you are.

You want 10k salary? Better go do sales.

On your question about UKT/Local LLB.
In all honesty not much difference- once you get your second upper or first class honours. That's all that matters.
Just that UKT 3rd class also you can do CLP.
But really, do you want to take another degree just to slack and get a 3rd?

There are some snobbish firms that only hire overseas grads, but they are the minority.
UKT is also considered easier compared to the London External exams.
You can handle it.
Just don't go there smoke weed until fail exams/retake like my friend did.

If you got the money, just take UKT.
If your dad is rich, take the bar exams.
If you are good, don't come back.
If you are better than good, come back and serve.

Law is one of those degrees that isn't for everyone, but everyone wants to do it for some reason.
If you just want to earn more money, take degree in finance also can earn money.
Matter of whether you are willing to put in the hard work to be better than the rest.

About the job market.
For fresh grads it isn't so hard to get A JOB.
A job that pays well is a little harder, but it's not undoable.

For slightly more senior lawyers 2-4 years experience, it's hard.
No small-mid size firms want to pay you >6k, even if you want to jump ship.
Unless you damn blardy lanciao good.
The firms like ZiCo are willing to pay.

If you stick to small medium size firms, it will be very long before you get your 5 figures, or never.


This post has been edited by .:zaxiao:.: May 29 2016, 11:07 AM

If you are an angmoh you can make good money as a lawyer in Malaysia.
Foreigners have their own internal networks that locals can never penetrate.

Ignore the people saying good or bad results change your employment prospects. That's not correct.
It's whether you have the connections that count, NOT your results.

Parking

No practice no use lor.

I always have this impression that for law degree, where you got it doesn't matter, as long its align with the system where you practice (common/civil).

Hi guys,

i would love to seek advice for a 3 class honours LLB student. Thank you guys in advance!!

If you already have a degree then you can straight take the GDL program and then BPTC. Total 2 years in UK. I'm taking GDL currently.