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 x5 vs x8, does it matter?, Reason being I lack of equipment

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TShelven
post May 23 2016, 05:01 PM, updated 10y ago

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Short question, I read about rep range, some say it is insignificant for beginner, some say it does make a difference, I wanna know which is true.
I used squat at 75kg x 5 include bar, with the rep calculator, does the rep matters if I change to 68kg x 8 as provided by the calculator?
I do this mainly because I lack of equipment, lack of plate in my homegym, getting more soon.
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Armesh
post May 24 2016, 01:32 AM

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0 diff in muscle gain. Maybe 5% diff in strength gain....
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post May 24 2016, 02:27 AM

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QUOTE(helven @ May 23 2016, 09:01 AM)
Short question, I read about rep range, some say it is insignificant for beginner, some say it does make a difference, I wanna know which is true.
I used squat at 75kg x 5 include bar, with the rep calculator, does the rep matters if I change to 68kg x 8 as provided by the calculator?
I do this mainly because I lack of equipment, lack of plate in my homegym, getting more soon.
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No flame please. Will close once answered.

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Ofcourse there's a difference

8 reps is on the high side for strength training, while low side on the hypertrophy stimulation. Means for 8 reps, you gain both strength and size but on the minimal side.

I use the same calculator. But to increase strength, you should try to achieve heavier weight on high rep setting.

Meaning, according to the calculator, 75kg 5reps = 68kg 8reps, so if you want to progress, you should hit higher than 68kg for 8reps to improve, or less preferably to hit more than 8reps for 68kg.
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post May 24 2016, 08:08 AM

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for a beginner, both probably are about the same...afterall any weight is still weight.
but seeing ur lack of equipment, and i guess u are already asking as u have already maxed out ur current lack of equipment at 5x5...unless u go buy more weights.
then doing 3x8 will allow u to max it out a little longer...
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post May 24 2016, 11:56 AM

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Thanks for all the answers notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

QUOTE(Armesh @ May 24 2016, 01:32 AM)
0 diff in muscle gain. Maybe 5% diff in strength gain....
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Ya I was kind of thinking the same way, just ask to verify.

QUOTE(ah_suknat @ May 24 2016, 02:27 AM)
Ofcourse there's a difference

8 reps is on the high side for strength training, while low side on the hypertrophy stimulation. Means for 8 reps, you gain both strength and size but on the minimal side.

I use the same calculator. But to increase strength, you should try to achieve heavier weight on high rep setting.

Meaning, according to the calculator, 75kg 5reps = 68kg 8reps, so if you want to progress, you should hit higher than 68kg for 8reps to improve, or less preferably to hit more than 8reps for 68kg.
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Hmm true, I just hit 75kg 2 weeks ago before my deload week and can feel it is my max I can do now, form might be not perfect. Probably I try 65x8 and slowly increase they weight on every workout, and do x8 until i get more weight plate then I readjust and swap back to x5.

QUOTE(Everdying @ May 24 2016, 08:08 AM)
for a beginner, both probably are about the same...afterall any weight is still weight.
but seeing ur lack of equipment, and i guess u are already asking as u have already maxed out ur current lack of equipment at 5x5...unless u go buy more weights.
then doing 3x8 will allow u to max it out a little longer...
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Ya I definitely need more weights, that will take about 1 month to reach, I'm setting up my home gym to save the travel time and cost to subscription base gym. Have a kinda rushy lifestyle, every minutes count. sweat.gif sweat.gif
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post May 24 2016, 01:16 PM

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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ May 24 2016, 02:27 AM)
Ofcourse there's a difference

8 reps is on the high side for strength training, while low side on the hypertrophy stimulation. Means for 8 reps, you gain both strength and size but on the minimal side.

I use the same calculator. But to increase strength, you should try to achieve heavier weight on high rep setting.

Meaning, according to the calculator, 75kg 5reps = 68kg 8reps, so if you want to progress, you should hit higher than 68kg for 8reps to improve, or less preferably to hit more than 8reps for 68kg.
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What calculator? Where to get that? helven

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post May 24 2016, 01:18 PM

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post May 24 2016, 01:34 PM

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It all depend of your objective. Strength training may need less reps compare to bodybuilding. But IMO, if you are beginner maybe for squat, try do the full squat instead partial. It's much harder and you will need to reduce the weight.
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QUOTE(Wolger @ May 24 2016, 05:16 AM)
What calculator? Where to get that? helven
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Play store

Rep max calculator

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post May 24 2016, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(Wolger @ May 24 2016, 01:16 PM)
What calculator? Where to get that? helven
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?...DBomb.OneRepMax

QUOTE(romalis51 @ May 24 2016, 01:34 PM)
It all depend of your objective. Strength training may need less reps compare to bodybuilding. But IMO, if you are beginner maybe for squat, try do the full squat instead partial. It's much harder and you will need to reduce the weight.
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huh? I am asking about reps and weight ratio, not about form

However I already know what to do next, thread close

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